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May 17 2015, 20:38
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Colman
Group: Gold Star Club
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It seems I should stop playing HV now. The need of buying MP pots make me in red. More I play, more I lose now. Even if I do not upgrade anything.
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May 17 2015, 20:41
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hitokiri84
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 17 2015, 13:38)  It seems I should stop playing HV now. The need of buying MP pots make me in red. More I play, more I lose now. Even if I do not upgrade anything.
C'mon, you are a level 400+ player... You don't have a massive collection of pots? Or are your trainings really low or something? This post has been edited by hitokiri84: May 17 2015, 20:41
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May 17 2015, 20:50
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Miles Edgeworth
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Colman @ May 18 2015, 03:38)  It seems I should stop playing HV now. The need of buying MP pots make me in red. More I play, more I lose now. Even if I do not upgrade anything.
Well, 1H still works. But now I get more exp than before, and start to worry about soulfuse issue as I level up (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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May 17 2015, 20:50
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Colman
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 15-November 10

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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 18 2015, 02:41)  C'mon, you are a level 400+ player... You don't have a massive collection of pots? Or are your trainings really low or something?
Using old pot alone cannot maintain the mp of a holy/dark mage. I just bought ~1000 mp potion to test the speed and income in this patch. The credits drop look higher? See the average turn to clear and you will know...... it take longer to clear a round. The equipment drop is poor in both quality and PxP. So that bazaar equipment cannot give you much (not even enough for hp pot alone). My conclusion is that it doesn't seem I can earn more than I pay. Any point to play if my credit keep decreasing and my equipment cannot keep up to my level? Since my credits is decreasing, I have no way to bind the equipment to my level. The new patch make the income much lower and necessary expend much higher. I do think the economy will break in a few months if this go on. It is a point of view from someone already max the drop related training. Good luck for lower level players. This post has been edited by Colman: May 17 2015, 21:13
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May 17 2015, 20:56
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erwtsnert
Group: Gold Star Club
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The biggest problem is if you don't have the neccessary credits to buy 7*50 soul fragments to bind your main gear to your account, because you'll have to buy something like 30 million credits worth of them later if you want to use your gear right now.
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May 17 2015, 21:01
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 9,899
Joined: 4-February 12

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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 17 2015, 20:41)  C'mon, you are a level 400+ player... You don't have a massive collection of pots? Or are your trainings really low or something?
No he is right, in the same time i used more than 120 Old Potion, all i got is 34 mana draught 4 and mana potion. And that feel more than just a bit ridiculous. Also i had now my first post 0.82 level up and i was used to get around 12 ABD just from the level up himself. I got one, just a single damage point. That doesnt feel good. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) This post has been edited by Stulpen: May 17 2015, 21:17
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May 17 2015, 21:38
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hitokiri84
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 10,945
Joined: 24-December 07

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QUOTE(Colman @ May 17 2015, 13:50)  The credits drop look higher? See the average turn to clear and you will know...... it take longer to clear a round. Maybe the difference is your Cure is greatly weakened? I didn't have this crutch to begin with, so PFUDOR arena feels about the same. As for pots, when using Restoration, Greater/Heroic are used first by default, so save them for that. QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 17 2015, 14:01)  No he is right, in the same time i used more than 120 Old Potion, all i got is 34 mana draught 4 and mana potion. And that feel more than just a bit ridiculous. Also i had now my first post 0.82 level up and i was used to get around 12 ABD just from the level up himself. I got one, just a single damage point. That doesnt feel good. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Try again with only new pots and see how many it takes. If it's still severe, Tenboro may be convinced to adjust it. The old pots are made bad on purpose so that you will stop using them. It was done because some people have massive stockpiles. (100k+)
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May 17 2015, 21:41
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 17 2015, 21:38)  As for pots, when using Restoration, Greater/Heroic are used first by default, so save them for that. Try again with only new pots and see how many it takes. If it's still severe, Tenboro may be convinced to adjust it. The old pots are made bad on purpose so that you will stop using them. It was done because some people have massive stockpiles. (100k+)
Here is a quote from the patch notes QUOTE all retired Potions have 50% the effect of new draughts So i would still use way more than drop.
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May 17 2015, 21:50
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Maximum_Joe
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ May 17 2015, 11:56)  7*50 soul fragments to bind your main gear to your account
Nothing is worth fusing except Peerless or something you really don't think you can replace any time soon.
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May 17 2015, 21:57
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hitokiri84
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 24-December 07

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QUOTE(Stulpen @ May 17 2015, 14:41)  Here is a quote from the patch notes So i would still use way more than drop.
Here is a quote from me, directly above your post: QUOTE(hitokiri84 @ May 17 2015, 14:38)  The old pots are made bad on purpose so that you will stop using them. --------------------- QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ May 17 2015, 14:50)  Nothing is worth fusing except Peerless or something you really don't think you can replace any time soon.
Fusing highly forged equipment is probably OK, even if you're unsure if you can replace it soon. After all, if you get an upgrade, you're going to salvage it for materials to forge the new piece, not sell it. So it doesn't matter if it becomes untradeable.
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May 17 2015, 21:58
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tetron
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 5,583
Joined: 30-July 14

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QUOTE(jenga201 @ May 17 2015, 22:26)  Frugal prefix has just moved above radiant in this patch. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So very true. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Colman @ May 18 2015, 00:08)  It seems I should stop playing HV now. The need of buying MP pots make me in red. More I play, more I lose now. Even if I do not upgrade anything.
Yeah, the Draught/Potion drops are not enough for self sufficiency. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) QUOTE(Colman @ May 18 2015, 00:20)  Good luck for lower level players.
Especially for those who just joined or will join in the future.
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May 17 2015, 22:08
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Uncle Stu
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 4-February 12

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QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ May 17 2015, 21:50)  Nothing is worth fusing except Peerless or something you really don't think you can replace any time soon.
Like what? The best equipment i could get? I mean let us play this throught. Even when a increased chance for better drops, i have in a whole year nothing get, that would be even close to the stuff i use. So i would have to buy new/better stuff. What cost money, that will be now harder for me to get, because now i cant even sell some of my stuff to player with a lower level, because level cap. And i dont get drops that highlevel player would buy, so no money there. You are not talking about stuff i dont think i can replace any time soon, you are talking about my whole set, the only set i have. The only set i could pay for. And Peerless? I have never even once seen one. And the legs i got are just crap, there was just one just one Leg armor that was usefull, it was Leg Phase, useless to me, and even that had shitty PA, so only byer could be a player at lower level. What is now like we all know is no longer possible. So, the only equipment that would be better or equal, will be a hard fight against players, that spent at one auction, more money than i can make in a whole month. And at the moment it looks like i will have a level up every or every two days. So, in a month i still wont have the money to buy a whole set, but i would level my own equipment useless. That is the game as it look like for me at the moment. So sorry if cant attend in your peerless wonderworld where it is no problem to get a whole set of them like nothing. I didnt even have a whole Mag set. And now imagen how will the ones feel, that arent even my level, that doenst even have some daily hath income. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) This post has been edited by Stulpen: May 17 2015, 22:09
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May 17 2015, 22:38
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Logii
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,475
Joined: 18-April 13

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I feel demotivated to play HV after the new patch. Just yesterday I bought a new main weapon which I'm now afraid to equip because of the level binding. I already know that I will not spend millions of credits in soulbinding my equipment and it would take months if not years to bind a full set at my pace. Also apparently the new weapon is obsolete now because it's not "of Slaughter." Buying new decent equipment at my level will be hard because most high grade items will be bound to much higher levels. I guess the only good way to continue playing now would be equipping some lower quality equipment I already have and hope that the new system would start dropping better ones faster than my equipment would become obsolete. Equipping (and level binding) the set I have been using until now would probably make it obsolete in no time because leveling is pretty easy. Feels like equipment is either supposed to be replaced much more often now or you are supposed to spend ludicrous amount of credits to hang on to what you have. Seems like the Golden Lottery Ticket I won few days ago is less useful now too. The new potions and soul fragments seem really expensive to me, especially if the drop rates are as low as people say. I like the proficiency buff though, as most of my proficiencies are less than 50% of my level. Maybe I just need to wait a while to see how this turns out or wait for new patches. And if the appeal to play doesn't return, I won't need to run H@H for HV hath perks.
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May 18 2015, 00:47
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VriskaSerket
Group: Catgirl Camarilla
Posts: 4,118
Joined: 27-December 08

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hm, one good thing in 0.82: CODE total: x301 Received a Binding of Balance. x1 Received a Binding of Dampening. x1 Received a Binding of Deflection. x1 Received a Binding of Destruction. x2 Received a Binding of Freyr. x1 Received a Binding of Friendship. x1 Received a Binding of Heimdall. x3 Received a Binding of Isaac. x1 Received a Binding of Mjolnir. x2 Received a Binding of Niflheim. x1 Received a Binding of Protection. x2 Received a Binding of Slaughter. x1 Received a Binding of Surtr. x1 Received a Binding of the Barrier. x1 Received a Binding of the Curse-weaver. x1 Received a Binding of the Earth-walker. x2 Received a Binding of the Elementalist. x2 Received a Binding of the Fire-eater. x2 Received a Binding of the Fleet. x1 Received a Binding of the Fox. x2 Received a Binding of the Nimble. x1 Received a Binding of the Owl. x1 Received a Binding of the Ox. x1 Received a Binding of the Spirit-ward. x2 Received a Binding of the Thunder-child. x1 Received a Binding of the Turtle. x2 Received a Binding of the Wind-waker. x1 Received a Shade Fragment. x1 Received some High-Grade Cloth. x9 Received some High-Grade Leather. x14 Received some High-Grade Metals. x21 Received some High-Grade Wood. x15 Received some Low-Grade Cloth. x3 Received some Low-Grade Leather. x5 Received some Low-Grade Metals. x4 Received some Low-Grade Wood. x5 Received some Mid-Grade Cloth. x41 Received some Mid-Grade Leather. x31 Received some Mid-Grade Metals. x81 Received some Mid-Grade Wood. x33
2x more gifts for me.)
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May 18 2015, 01:25
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Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(watisthis @ May 17 2015, 18:59)  I mean once you run out of your supply of level unassigned item, it's just ded right?
i guess so. if changes don't happen, i think FS has still got something like one month or so before closing. we'll wait and see... QUOTE(Maximum_Joe @ May 17 2015, 21:50)  Nothing is worth fusing except Peerless or something you really don't think you can replace any time soon.
i don't own any peerless (well, one plate but i don't even consider it) and my exq power of slaughter - which i stil had to buy little by little, choosing what to buy and what not and blahblahblah - is still doing well, yet i'm forced to level-bound it rather than account-bound it? come on, i consider you quite sharp of a person but this is bullshit: 14M (minimum!) to still be able to use a relatively good set? except people who collect 250k/day, who on the hell can think about bounding a couple sets? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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May 18 2015, 04:13
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malkatmp
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(erwtsnert @ May 17 2015, 20:56)  The biggest problem is if you don't have the neccessary credits to buy 7*50 soul fragments to bind your main gear to your account, because you'll have to buy something like 30 million credits worth of them later if you want to use your gear right now.
+1 tbh, after reading the patch notes a few times, i'm still don't know how i want to feel about the whole soulfuse mechanic. on one hand, it might bring in "new" temporary income for higher lvl players. however, this will essentially further dry up the gear market, a lot of 2nd hand primary gear will stop being available to resale and pushes whatever "good/high lvl" gear to extreme prices. 
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May 18 2015, 04:32
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qw3rty67
Group: Members
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Joined: 30-April 09

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How long are you all waiting before giving 0.82 a serious crack? I always wanted to try a sort-of fresh start with half stats and no gear. Now's the chance.
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May 18 2015, 05:24
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Pickled_Cow
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Is there any reason not to have 488 strength? 
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May 18 2015, 05:32
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tetron
Group: Gold Star Club
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Joined: 30-July 14

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QUOTE(VriskaSerket @ May 18 2015, 04:17)  hm, one good thing in 0.82:
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2x more gifts for me.)
What do you mean by that? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(malkatmp @ May 18 2015, 07:43)  on one hand, it might bring in "new" temporary income for higher lvl players.
What are you talking about? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(Pickled Cow @ May 18 2015, 08:54)  Is there any reason not to have 488 strength?
You are out of your mind. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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