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On BT i needed 467 turns to beat mithra with just magic missle and without a staff, i had to waste 12 average mana potions though and 2 spark of life (well you can have scroll of lifes so that's no factor)

Well i didn't go completely naked, but that was just some random earthwalker gear that i was wearing for grinding prof

Oh wow. You really went and did it. And without a staff too, lol. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Seriously, Vean, if you're intelligent with your ET usage, it's incredibly easy to do it. Weaken/Bewilder/Poison. Keep Regen up. Use free channelings to renew buffs and debuffs. You said you have slow right? Use channeling for that. Poison and MM will kill it. It'll be a little slow. But hyl took only 400+ turns with BT HP Mithra and no staff and non damage equip. You're looking at like 50-100 turns max.

Oh wow. You really went and did it. And without a staff too, lol. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

Seriously, Vean, if you're intelligent with your ET usage, it's incredibly easy to do it. Weaken/Bewilder/Poison. Keep Regen up. Use free channelings to renew buffs and debuffs. You said you have slow right? Use channeling for that. Poison and MM will kill it. It'll be a little slow. But hyl took only 400+ turns with BT HP Mithra and no staff and non damage equip. You're looking at like 50-100 turns max.

How about the spirit attack?

Each time it will cost me a scroll of life... OK, I have planet of them. But not enough for each mithra.
From wiki, I think the cost of these spell is too high for me...

Another big problem is ET effierency. For my mana length, it's not enough...Only get 8MP/2T I think. My level can't get any 3T ET staff, they'll become "3(2)T"...sometimes 3(1)T if it's a more than 40% staff.
This number not enough to add all buffs, and I need some mana to cast cure, too...Can't relay on Regen, They are not enough. My Regen recovers 52/T now, just capped.

This post has been edited by vean: Feb 5 2011, 18:22

How about the spirit attack?

Each time it will cost me a scroll of life... OK, I have planet of them. But not enough for each mithra.
From wiki, I think the cost of these spell is too high for me...

Another big problem is ET effierency. For my mana length, it's not enough...Only get 8MP/2T I think. My level can't get any 3T ET staff, they'll become "3(2)T"...sometimes 3(1)T if it's a more than 40% staff.

his spirit is a physical attack, i used shadow veil and blind to survive it (except for 2 times)

Edit: i could not survive Mithra's spirit attack even with weaken on battletoad, but that doesn't mean that you can't survive it on normal with a weaken and a scroll of shielding

This post has been edited by hyl: Feb 5 2011, 18:26

To be fair, I switched at 80 back then and had no problems. I had pretty shitty equip too IIRC. The availability of elementalist equip wasn't anything like it is now.

I switched at like 70 ish and once I smelled the sweet scent of maging, I could never turn back.
You should have seen my old elementalist equips, they were crap for like over 200 levels.

What is this Mithra's are impossible to beat nonsense? I'm seriously tempted to go kill one on BT naked with just a random oak staff equipped and using Magic Missile as my only damage spell. Just to prove a point.
Though then people will say I could only do it because I'm such a high level.....

Nah, they'll probably say you're such a bully. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by sushi0: Feb 5 2011, 18:27

his spirit is a physical attack, i used shadow veil and blind to survive it (except for 2 times)

blind...I remember it will dispel weakness and bewilder, too dangerous for me

because I don't know which turn it will use the spirit. Sometimes he use it suddenly; sometimes...my scroll of life 50T has expired (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Edit: i could not survive Mithra's spirit attack even with weaken on battletoad, but that doesn't mean that you can't survive it on normal with a weaken and a scroll of shielding

And if it's a IW/BT...It's hard to find a position to get shielding. I always take 1 scroll position for life, another for shadow to evade the other's spirit...

How about the spirit attack?

Each time it will cost me a scroll of life... OK, I have planet of them. But not enough for each mithra.
From wiki, I think the cost of these spell is too high for me...

Just use a scroll of life. You're not fighting 100 Mithras. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Seriously, I (and everybody else in here) don't see what the problem is.
A mage at your level should be able to beat Normal Endgame using only Magic Missile, with only a staff and no armor.

blind...I remember it will dispel weakness and bewilder, too dangerous for me

It won't dispel Weakness.

because I don't know which turn it will use the spirit. Sometimes he use it suddenly; sometimes...my scroll of life 50T has expired (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Seriously. WTF. You can't see the BIG RED SPIRIT BAR on the Mithra?
Use your scroll when its full.

blind...I remember it will dispel weakness and bewilder, too dangerous for me

Only bewilder.

blind...I remember it will dispel weakness and bewilder, too dangerous for me

because I don't know which turn it will use the spirit. Sometimes he use it suddenly; sometimes...my scroll of life 50T has expired (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

There is no way a weaken'd Mithra should be able to one shot you on Normal if you have all your HP tanks. No way.
If magically, somehow this is no longer the case, use a scroll of shielding before it's spirit bar fills or a scroll of life. Both are dirt cheap. If it's poison'd, it takes what, minimum of 30+ turns between spirit attacks? Less if it's slowed. It shouldn't even get off more than 2.

And if it's a IW/BT...It's hard to find a position to get shielding. I always take 1 scroll position for life, another for shadow to evade the other's spirit...

How much damage does undress to you?
If you can survive his spirit attack with weaken and scroll of shielding then i would prefer using that rather than the slightly more rare scroll of shadows

...I think he's just trolling everybody here now. I mean, how can you not even know when it will use its spirit attack?

...I think he's just trolling everybody here now. I mean, how can you not even know when it will use its spirit attack?

This one is a lost cause... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

There is no way a weaken'd Mithra should be able to one shot you on Normal if you have all your HP tanks. No way.
If magically, somehow this is no longer the case, use a scroll of shielding before it's spirit bar fills or a scroll of life. Both are dirt cheap. If it's poison'd, it takes what, minimum of 30+ turns between spirit attacks? Less if it's slowed. It shouldn't even get off more than 2.

Yes, If my hp is full it can't take down me by a weakened spirit...To me it's about 1000-1600 after weaken, I have almost 1750HP..(fuck only +1 END again...next END point feels a little expansive)

But the spirit attack is totally random, I think. I can't make sure my life alwayer higher than than 1 weakened spirit attack. Sometimes it will drop down to 1200.
I can take shielding instead of shadow next time to make a try. I can take down other 3 without shadow.

...I think he's just trolling everybody here now. I mean, how can you not even know when it will use its spirit attack?

Are there some method to make sure it ?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I only knows to look at their spirit value. But they won't fire it suddenly after it fulls. Sometimes they'll keep it for 10 Turns, 15 Turns , or 30 Turns.

Everytime I take a scroll of life, and waiting for the final attack...
Then that should be exact what I don't know. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

This post has been edited by vean: Feb 5 2011, 18:41

I'm not sure about others in here, but I usually don't heal unless my hp is below less than half of my max.
I.e, if my HP is 10,000, no point in casting cure if I have 8,000/10,000.
I can see why he might die from undress, but that still shouldn't be an issue though.

Thanks for everybody.
At least I will try to use shielding instead of shadows. Perpahs it will solve most spirit attack problems.

I'll stop "trolling" at here. If your guys think I'm trolling, say more means nothing. I'm not the only low-level mage on this forum, but it doesn't make sense to high-level players, of course. I think the one who have only 60 END have more angry than me, just because 0.5.0 almost fuck we all.

And if there're some secret to know when the monster will fire the spirit attack after their spirit red bar full, please tell me...
I really don't know.
Bosses don't fire spirit immediatly is one of the biggest problem I meet.

If people are complaining now, what will actually happen if we can custimize our customers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

edit to vean my stats are horrible unbalanced, i only have 138 end (i think, i will check if i get out of iw) while having 220+ int and 210+ wis and 200+ agi

edit2: why did my axe level up to 2 levels on normal X_x

This post has been edited by hyl: Feb 5 2011, 19:18

This thread is hilarious.

If people are complaining now, what will actually happen if we can custimize our customers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

edit to vean my stats are horrible unbalanced, i only have 138 end (i think, i will check if i get out of iw) while having 220+ int and 210+ wis and 200+ agi

I have 82 to 120+/110+, not so horrible but horrible too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Did the 100 or 200+ level monster and arena monster hit you for very large damage? They are really unaccepted for me. 2 or 3 crits means death. Or here's a magical number for END, we can live happier after this number?

I don't know how a one have only END 60 who have same level as me lives in these cases...

Well changing to a better subject: Custom monsters.

It's funny how elemental type monsters aren't impervious to their own element, what you guys think?
Perhaps it will be possible to raise their mitigations?