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I still don't get it why people insist on making this kind of rule in auction:
• Unless there's some kind of deliberate shenanigans (which is fairly easy to spot), I don't see any problem at all if the current highest bidder want to cancel his current bid. It just a simple roll back to the previous bid and use that as the current bid instead and whoever made this bid have all the reason to be happy now that his losing bid now become a winning bid instead.

• For bidders that aren't the one who made the current highest bid, there's no rational reason why they would want to withdraw their bid, so this kind of thing isn't a big concern enough to warrant such rule. Some people do exhibit irrational behavior though, ...and maybe this is what this rule is for. However, this rule is absolutely meaningless against this kind of people, so this rule serve no real purpose apart from giving a false sense of security via self-deception for whoever using this rule.

• It seem that many people who support this rule regard it as a kind of 'Moral Code' ... A person who break this rule is not seen as "A trouble maker that make things more troublesome; an annoyance" but is seen as a some variant of "An oath/promise/contract breaker; an untrustworthy person" instead, and proceed to condemn the rule-breaker as a sinful heretic, or more usually, a retard/stupid/idiot/pony and the like...

What if I bid for something, and then, while the auction is still on its way, I got a better thing drop, and so have no need to buy it anymore. Would I be condemned as retard/stupid/idiot/pony/etc if I break this rule? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (for anyone who want to answer to this: *think carefully*)

As I said before that this rule is nothing but a form of self-deception, which in this case has its root in greed, it's funny how people invented this wholly self-serving rule, try to enforce it on other, and taking a moral high ground while doing it! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

• At any rate, this rule is ultimately unenforceable. So why bother? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
PS. I'm bored, so... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

People usually respect other people, that's why the rule is there.

It's meant to stop auctions going out of control, people getting pissed and suspicious, and ultimately waste everyone's time.

No over-time bidding

Some people really hate money.

I still don't get it why people insist on making this kind of rule in auction:
• Unless there's some kind of deliberate shenanigans (which is fairly easy to spot), I don't see any problem at all if the current highest bidder want to cancel his current bid. It just a simple roll back to the previous bid and use that as the current bid instead and whoever made this bid have all the reason to be happy now that his losing bid now become a winning bid instead.

• For bidders that aren't the one who made the current highest bid, there's no rational reason why they would want to withdraw their bid, so this kind of thing isn't a big concern enough to warrant such rule. Some people do exhibit irrational behavior though, ...and maybe this is what this rule is for. However, this rule is absolutely meaningless against this kind of people, so this rule serve no real purpose apart from giving a false sense of security via self-deception for whoever using this rule.

• It seem that many people who support this rule regard it as a kind of 'Moral Code' ... A person who break this rule is not seen as "A trouble maker that make things more troublesome; an annoyance" but is seen as a some variant of "An oath/promise/contract breaker; an untrustworthy person" instead, and proceed to condemn the rule-breaker as a sinful heretic, or more usually, a retard/stupid/idiot/pony and the like...

What if I bid for something, and then, while the auction is still on its way, I got a better thing drop, and so have no need to buy it anymore. Would I be condemned as retard/stupid/idiot/pony/etc if I break this rule? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (for anyone who want to answer to this: *think carefully*)

As I said before that this rule is nothing but a form of self-deception, which in this case has its root in greed, it's funny how people invented this wholly self-serving rule, try to enforce it on other, and taking a moral high ground while doing it! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

• At any rate, this rule is ultimately unenforceable. So why bother? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
PS. I'm bored, so... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I see it as a general rule to keep things from getting out of hand. It makes sense depending on the duration of the auction and when the bid is made.
In the situation you acquire gear that would make you withdraw your bid I'm pretty sure you can pm the the user and talk it over, especially if there is another bid on it. Bids made in the last 12 hours or so are a bit different though.

Still I don't think anyone here would pressure you to buy something you don't need.

I once received a complaint because I didn't bitch hard enough after someone retracted their bid
True story

just ban thx1 from bidding for these reasons:

-shill bidding
-begging for item without paying and then not paying the debt at all
-being a little bitch when outbit

voila, 80% of problems solved

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Some people really hate money.

I once received a complaint because I didn't bitch hard enough after someone retracted their bid
True story

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....

Some HV auction kinda reminds me of a bad case of women— Emotional, Impulsive, Inconsistency, Demanding, Annoying, Time-Consuming, Money Black hole, Absence of Balls, etc... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Aug 21 2012, 19:47

It just a simple roll back to the previous bid and use that as the current bid instead and whoever made this bid have all the reason to be happy now that his losing bid now become a winning bid instead.

It's good for the seller, but I doubt the previous bid's owner would be happy about paying more than he should have. If there's a written rule similar to what you said, one may perhaps save hearing the previous bidder whine in one's face. But then we go back to—

At any rate, this rule is ultimately unenforceable.

Right. Hence people call names and propose a blacklist.

\(o_o)/

-begging for item without paying and then not paying the debt at all

which auction is that?

i am bored...

Hence people call names and propose a blacklist.

—although regarding thx1, a group of us call him, "the village idiot," because he's an oaf in general. Below's just part of the many reasons.

. . . and proceed to condemn the rule-breaker as a sinful heretic, or more usually, a retard/stupid/idiot/pony . . .

Wowow Who is in this group and how can I apply for membership? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

It's good for the seller, but I doubt the previous bid's owner would be happy about paying more than he should have.

He could simply retracted the bid as well; at the risk of losing the item to the next bidder. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Most people who participates in an auction (here, at least) do so with good faith, that is, with an intent to actually get the item and make a bid with funds in hand or have a capability to acquire them in a reasonable amount of time— not making imaginary numbers out of thin air and put it as bid for the sake of pure lulz.

People may acting recklessly and have second thought later and decide that he's gone too far. That doesn't mean that he don't want the item anymore, however, and if only he could step back a little bit... You get the idea.

Right. Hence people call names and propose a blacklist.

That's a different kind of issue and circumstance, so no comment on that...

I dunno if banning potential customer is a good way to make a profit, though... Such blacklist also takes time to develop, hence not true protection, and can be circumvented without too much difficulty using social engineering or sock puppetry.

This post has been edited by buktore: Aug 21 2012, 21:34

If people really want to enforce the damn 'don't cancel bids without permission' rule, at least try to collect some credits as guarantee.

Blacklisting? Before all those troubles, we should have some common set of rules first .

Problem with HV trading is that there's no centralized trading system to oversee the process. Which means most of the rules won't even be enforceable without community consent.

This post has been edited by varst: Aug 21 2012, 21:36

He could simply retracted the bid as well; at the risk of losing the item to the next bidder. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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Blacklisting? Before all those troubles, we should have some common set of rules first .

I see what you did there.

No legit bids on my Auction so far (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Convince Tenboro to appoint someone (possibly not a nutbag) as a mod/overseer of the WTS & WTB sections and forward all complaints to him
Good luck finding someone willing to put up with all that crap and drama, though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

• Unless there's some kind of deliberate shenanigans (which is fairly easy to spot), I don't see any problem at all if the current highest bidder want to cancel his current bid. It just a simple roll back to the previous bid and use that as the current bid instead and whoever made this bid have all the reason to be happy now that his losing bid now become a winning bid instead.

Only issue with this is people bid back and forth for awhile, then one withdraws after giving it some though. Now price is really high and the guy who was bidding against him is pissed that he couldve got it cheap if the other guy didn't bid in the first place. Which is why we have all this drama.

Convince Tenboro to appoint someone (possibly not a nutbag) as a mod/overseer of the WTS & WTB sections and forward all complaints to him
Good luck finding someone willing to put up with all that crap and drama, though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Pick me! And may the banhammer fall!

This post has been edited by skillchip: Aug 21 2012, 22:04

@ varst

(most) People already know the rules and etiquette in auction. So such rule offers little real-world benefits imo.

Even with a rock-solid rules, shit still happens once in a while, like in this thread for instance (take a good read, I would love to hear your opinion on this) ... Instead of a simple solution, people gone berserk instead, and the word 'Rules' somehow get throw around a few time even though the fact is that this said rule, or an absence thereof, is completely irrelevant to the problem.

You simply cannot make any kind of rule to prohibit clusterfuck people may pull in an auction; the only thing this rule does is striping the right of honest customer and branded them as heretic, which helps the rule-maker...

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Only issue with this is people bid back and forth for awhile, then one withdraws after giving it some though. Now price is really high and the guy who was bidding against him is pissed that he couldve got it cheap if the other guy didn't bid in the first place. Which is why we have all this drama.

He could simply retracted the bid as well; at the risk of losing the item to the next bidder. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

PS. Funny how I may appeared to be serious about this whole thing, yet I'm not... It just more fun to act like I care! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Aug 21 2012, 22:41

Convince Tenboro to appoint someone (possibly not a nutbag) as a mod/overseer of the WTS & WTB sections and forward all complaints to him
Good luck finding someone willing to put up with all that crap and drama, though (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

They would need powers outside of the forums to be effective. Powers that only Tenboro as the sole caretaker of the game server has. You need more than a ban to police the economy.

I guess part of the problem is the inability to automatically update the OP post of the latest information.

But, I wonder if the item bot can be modified to be used as an auction platform.