[X] My Assistant

Total tries: 20
Average: 299

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Total tries: 20
Average: 299

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You need more coffee! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

so what do you guys think of the change to equipment PABs? Chance of multiple/any stat on any equip versus chance of none.

You get some weird combinations, but I've picked up some nice pieces, kevlar w/ +str/dex/end, etc, but you also end up with shit like this - Exquisite Club of Slaughter
I think I've seen way too many PAB-less to call it good. Maybe tweak the rate a bit.

You remember that HV is a credit sinker, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

From last month:

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2012-05-27 00:18    -5000    Purchased 1 "Binding of Destruction"
2012-05-20 07:28    -15000    Purchased 3 "Binding of Destruction"
2012-05-18 02:41    -5000    Purchased 1 "Binding of Destruction"
2012-05-17 21:19    -15000    Purchased 3 "Binding of Destruction"
2012-05-17 18:43    -5000    Purchased 1 "Binding of Destruction"
2012-05-02 16:25    -10000    Purchased 2 "Binding of Destruction"
2012-05-02 10:27    -15000    Purchased 3 "Binding of Destruction"
2012-05-02 01:43    -15000    Purchased 3 "Binding of Destruction"

FirstUser2000    1x Destruction = 50k            2012-05-29 00:54
dajie        Binding of Destruction x3 = 165k    2012-05-20 10:14    
dajie        Binding of Destruction x5 = 275k    2012-05-19 17:51    
pipicuo        Binding of Destruction x2 = 90k        2012-05-02 16:32    
pipicuo        Binding of Destruction x3 = 135k    2012-05-02 10:32    
jy01294585    Binding of Destruction x3 = 126k    2012-05-02 01:55

756k credits gained. (IMG:[bbs.pramool.com] http://bbs.pramool.com/webboard/pic/127.gif)


FYI: I don't 'camp' item shop. ... Also, no more 'Try 10, 20, 30' suggestion, please...

[www.humanbenchmark.com] Ignorance is a sin.

According to that simple test the overall average response time is 215 ms...

My response time is about 230 ms. My connection's latency is about 70 ms.

Anyone, absolutely anyone, even slugs can get something from the bazaar in less than a second.

I wouldn't be surprised if people snatched stuff away in less than half a second without a bot, just camping it for hours and repeating the same movements over and over.

It's a sad way to play this game, but they get the swag (more often than not, at least).

With latency in the 250 ms range it can't be helped if people with faster conections grab the stuff right under your nose. The crucial point is that an item might be avaiable before you even requested a refresh: someone else may have spotted it before you even saw it on your screen. It's a matter of hundreds or even just tens of milliseconds, but that's all it takes to beat you to the punch.

Ridiculous assessment.

Average reaction as indicated by that test there is over 200 ms. That's just to identify a stimulus and click one time. Buying something from the Bazaar not only requires you to discern strings of text from dozens of other possibilities, it also takes no less than 4 mouse clicks/keystrokes, including having to move the mouse multiple times.

So, even if you have sub-100 ms ping, it's impossible to buy something in 0.5 seconds after it has appeared without a hotkey macro, and it's impossible to go faster than than without a bot or script that identifies and auto-buys items as soon as the page has loaded. Both of those should be eliminated by the riddlemaster or a captcha.

so what do you guys think of the change to equipment PABs?

best thing ever (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Ridiculous assessment.

Average reaction as indicated by that test there is over 200 ms. That's just to identify a stimulus and click one time. Buying something from the Bazaar not only requires you to discern strings of text from dozens of other possibilities, it also takes no less than 4 mouse clicks/keystrokes, including having to move the mouse multiple times.

So, even if you have sub-100 ms ping, it's impossible to buy something in 0.5 seconds after it has appeared without a hotkey macro, and it's impossible to go faster than than without a bot or script that identifies and auto-buys items as soon as the page has loaded. Both of those should be eliminated by the riddlemaster or a captcha.

If you can't identify a string of text that's placed in specific, restricted area of the screen as fast as identifying a box changing colour you've got issues that go well beyond the reading comprehension difficulties you've shown so far. It's actually a matter of recognizing shapes and places, not spelling the characters out one by one.

I can personally grab stuff like crystals (of the specific kind I need) in well under a second without macros, bots or any other sort of automated procedure. It's 3 clicks followed by pressing Enter. You've got two hands to do that, it's just a matter of coordination.

This leads me to a very simple conclusion: it's definitely possibile to get an item really fast even "by hand", 'cos I can and I'm just an average joe. All those who claim it's not possible are either clumsy beyond help or stuck with a slooow connection or full-of-shit liars.

About your last sentence, it shows you don't even understand how the bazaar works right now: if there are 150 "pieces" of a given item and someone (guy A) attempts to buy all 150, he's not guaranteed to get them. If someone else (guy B ) went through with a purchase of 100 of those "pieces" even just 1 ms before guy A pressed Enter to confirm his request, guy A purchase will be whatever is left after subtracting Guy B purchase: that's to say 50 "pieces".

It's like a going out of business sellout with stuff thrown in a basket and people struggling to grab something: even if you eyed something and are reaching for it, someone else may grab it before you do.

The point is that you don't have any right on anything you see until you cough up the credits. Clicking on something doesn't give you any advantage or booking rights. You have to complete the transaction as fast as possible. A captcha/riddlemaster/whatever doesn't mix at all with this mechanism, it's pure nonsense advocating such procedures for the bazaar.

And it's a stupid-beyond-belief suggestion regardless, since the automated procedure could still grab the stuff on auto-cruise and notify the user to input an answer to complete the purchase...

Changing the way the bazaar works, giving people "booking rights" or somesuch, would prove more detrimental than beneficial. Figure it out yourself why, it ain't that hard.

This post has been edited by Hoheneim: Jun 21 2012, 01:12

This is false. ... How do I know this? I don't. It just a guess, a very confident guess.

Though I'm not sure if the latest patch changed it or not. My guess is that they don't.

I'm pretty sure Tenboro said that the only thing seeded are crystals

edit: should read before i post...

best thing ever (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Unless you wanted turtle plate lol

This post has been edited by skillchip: Jun 21 2012, 00:56

I'm pretty sure Tenboro said that the only thing seeded are crystals

yep he did

I can't even afford to buy crystals anymore with these silly equipment prices. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Did he say it in a manner that specifically implied the binding do not seeded in the shop, or just that crystal is seeded in the shop? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ... I tried searching for a bit, but failed to find the post you might referred to. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A link would be appreciated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As for my guess: There're way too many binding that happened to pop up out of the blue in the shop with a multiple of 3 (and I bought a lot of these before the latest patch) but anything above 3 is extremely rare (and when it did, it will accompanied by a large numbers of a other mat and binding, indicated that it's likely to be someone naively sold them en-mass) ... So it look a bit 'unnatural' to me.

This post has been edited by buktore: Jun 21 2012, 01:21

12 6 You evade the attack from Sakurai Kei.
12 5 The effect Blunted Attack on Noihara Himari has expired.
12 4 Noihara Himari hits you for 2875 piercing damage.
12 3 Noihara Himari evades your spell.
12 2 Sakurai Kei resists your spell.
12 1 You cast Banish.
11 5 You evade the attack from Noihara Himari.
11 4 You evade the attack from Sakurai Kei.
11 3 You are healed for 7121 Health Points.
11 2 You cast Cure.
11 1 You gain 0.01 points of curative magic proficiency.
10 6 You evade the attack from Noihara Himari.
10 5 Sakurai Kei crits you for 3204 crushing damage.
10 4 Noihara Himari resists your spell.

I realy hate these two guys.
Now Sakurai Kei is near PL900 and Noihara Himari is close to PL800, why 1215 still does not come back?
She will not have that impact when she comes back. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This leads me to a very simple conclusion: it's definitely possibile to get an item really fast even "by hand", 'cos I can and I'm just an average joe. All those who claim it's not possible are either clumsy beyond help or stuck with a slooow connection or full-of-shit liars.

No one is arguing it's not possible to get things "really fast," i.e.less than one second, or even near half a second. It's the specific crystals and material that appear and disappear in inhuman speeds that are causing problems (appear and disappear in 1 refresh; ~0.1s.) And it's not constant, it's intermittent, but it still happens frequently enough to be noticeable.

Did he say it in a manner that specifically implied the binding do not seeded in the shop, or just that crystal is seeded in the shop? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ... I tried searching for a bit, but failed to find the post you might referred to. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A link would be appreciated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As for my guess: There're way too many binding that happened to pop up out of the blue in the shop with a multiple of 3 (and I bought a lot of these before the latest patch) but anything above 3 is extremely rare (and when it did, it will accompanied by a large numbers of a other mat and binding, indicated that it's likely to be someone naively sold them en-mass) ... So it look a bit 'unnatural' to me.

He has explicitly stated that only crystals are generated by the shop.

I think bazzaar is good as it is. There is nothing more enjoyable than observing your constant butthurts about somebody "stealing" stuff right from your hands. (IMG:https://forums.e-hentai.org/uploads/post-329682-1335707434.png)

Also... "No one can burn with righteous fury like a deceived fraudster". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Did he say it in a manner that specifically implied the binding do not seeded in the shop, or just that crystal is seeded in the shop? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ... I tried searching for a bit, but failed to find the post you might referred to. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A link would be appreciated. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=1268645

A bot that play the game exist. ... Why would anyone would think that a shop bot (or a script, or whatever) that could bring shit tons of credits, harder to detect, harder to prevent against, simpler to make and simpler to operate, do not? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Whatever the answer to that question may be is not important, this one is: Why would someone who do not use such a bot go at length trying to 'prove' that such bot doesn't exist? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Jun 21 2012, 06:08

A bot that play the game exist. ... Why would anyone would think that a shop bot (or a script, or whatever) that could bring shit tons of credits, harder to detect, harder to prevent against, simpler to make and simpler to operate, do not? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Whatever the answer to that question may be is not important, this one is: Why would someone go at length trying to 'prove' that they don't? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Of course it exist. But we need more solid proofs to convince Rainboro. I bet he receives PMs like "ohmygoshohmygoshthereisabigbadbotinthebazaarkillitpleaseiwantmorecheapstuffbecauseimagreedymotherfuckincamper" every goddamn day, and it's pissing him off already.

Who thinks the bot exist should provide the script, not the result, to Tenb.
Result can be misinterpreted by our bias. Script won't.

Such 'solid proofs' does not exist. That's why I'm sad, and even more so if Tenb himself think that such bot indeed do not exist. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

@ varst

Mind answer my 2 question above?

This post has been edited by buktore: Jun 21 2012, 06:55

1. Bots exist. However, if there's like 5-10 bots working at the same time, it will be difficult to distinguish between that and normal player purchases with logs, unless Tenb want to check that the 'hard' way (like what happened to hath bots).

2. People have tendency to believe something do/don't exist, if given the choice. Rarely would people NOT to take side.

Also, think about it: which will cause more problem, a miss on those bots, or a hit on those innocent?

This post has been edited by varst: Jun 21 2012, 06:32