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that's because players are greedy or stupid (usually it's a combination of both). IWBTH is basically your only way to get a legendary dropped (inb4 some dumbass says trophy). i don't think i entered heroic until i was level 100 or so because the lower difficulties give me the most exp payout/time and are most credit efficient.

iwbth will give you more exp/credits per round (duh) but aren't guaranteed to give you better rewards for your time/credits spent

edit: one exception to this would be the random encounters. if you can comfortably take those on in IWBTH, then by all means. but i'm curious how someone can do it without SoL since IWBTH still hits like a truck (ie waste of life scrolls at low levels)

Well, Grinding on IWBTH/Battle toads seems to be easier(at least for me) than lower difficulties. I just go in with 8 slots of superior health/mana and get through 5-6 rounds and get almost a level or at the very least half a level before I have to run out and restock and do it over. Takes about 5-10 min I think for every 5-6 rounds. I stopped grinding though, because it felt to me it kept getting harder and harder for arenas every level but it seems that more levels= better is true so I'll continue again.

I do all my random encounters on IWBTH, only potting with godly/superior health potion the whole time. I almost always kill them within 2-3 health potions, which is worth it cause sometimes I get like almost a level off those. I don't know what SoL or life scrolls are lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What difficulty level is the best trade off for time/effort spent to decent drops? Heroic?

I'd also question your ability to "destroy" IWBTH/BT at that level.

And its definitely not true that as you level up, its gets harder (although it could be more of a pain).

It's probably a result of the patch changes making you think its harder. The removal of absorption as a stat hurts much more at lower levels since just a few points makes a large difference while at higher levels, when mitigation increases and hp as well as monster damage increases, absorption didn't matter nearly as much.

The 2H change also seems to have hurt a lot of lower level melee players who relied on shatter strike clearing every other round.

Well I wasn't "destroying" but I was able to clear rounds of IWBTH/Battletoads with relative ease when I was about 65-70, compared to now where even 1 round/mob of them kinda rapes me even if I use 3-4 pots in 1 round. I was able to do arena rounds 1 to 9/10 on IWBTH/BT/Nightmare(and this is after the patch nerfed shatter strike) but now I can barley clear the 1st level of arena on IWBTH/BT). But the shatter strike days were nice too, definitely was a bit harder without it.

This post has been edited by hehsy5sy5: Jun 1 2012, 06:38

People should understand that difficulty is not linear, but dependent on many different parameters. So they should go and test instead of asking what suit them the best. There's no simple solution out there.

This post has been edited by varst: Jun 1 2012, 06:39

@heh Well you better get to know SoL soon. You won't be getting very far in HV unless you become good friends with it. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If you prioritize levels, then IWBTH is the best per stamina for obvious reasons. As for the credit expenditure. That's for yourself to calculate. It's not exactly economical spending more than 1 potion per round. Most players spend 1 potion every xyz rounds (where x = 0 for higher difficulties). See the difference in efficiency here? But naturally that doesn't mean what other players do is right. It's all a question of goals/budgets.

And as for increasing damage, you haven't seen anything yet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

@Varst Good day, fellow English speaker.

For me, I only play in difficulties where credit gained/time spent is at maximized efficiency.

Get HV Statistics, it can make your time in Hentaiverse much much easier, one of the nice little bonus is that it can calculate your average credit/exp gained per hour or per day

I'd rather play at a pace where my leveling of equipments matches my leveling speed.

As it stands, keeping your equipments adequately leveled is a tedious task. Right now, I can barely manages normal IWs, because anything harder would take too long and kill me with boredom. That limits me to playing on normal for pretty much everything else.

I wonder when I can at least attempt Nightmare/BattleToads IWs. 200 rounds of those seems like a punishment to me, at least right now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

unless you're ridiculously rich or have too much time or have very low standards (or a combination of the 3), the number of equipment in your possession worth leveling consistently should be countable on 1 hand.

IWing takes a lot of time. there aren't many equips worth that time.

All the more u shld do them on slightly harder difficulties. +2 on normal seem not worth the effort. i feel its ok even if u spend scrolls just to clear that on harder modes.

All the more u shld do them on slightly harder difficulties. +2 on normal seem not worth the effort. i feel its ok even if u spend scrolls just to clear that on harder modes.

time spent, how many items you need to level, how many levels you need on the item....

If you can clear normal with one spell +90% of the time or a few melee attacks you can do a lot of items in a day.

But doing the IW on a higher setting is better. If you know you can clear rounds on nightmare with 2 spells 90% of the time its a better way to doing it.

If you have an item that needs a 100 levels or more, then doing an IW on BT or IWBTH twice a day for +16 to +20 (if you can do it) is great for a few items if you have the time.

But in that same amount of time you can also do a lot more items on a lower setting for less levels.

So what do you do? you use fewer potions, stamina and get more levels and better drops doing them on IWBTH or you can do more items in the same time while burning potions, stamina and getting lower quality drops. The one thing about grinding more levels is you will get more drops.

time spent, how many items you need to level, how many levels you need on the item....

If you can clear normal with one spell +90% of the time or a few melee attacks you can do a lot of items in a day.

But doing the IW on a higher setting is better. If you know you can clear rounds on nightmare with 2 spells 90% of the time its a better way to doing it.

If you have an item that needs a 100 levels or more, then doing an IW on BT or IWBTH twice a day for +16 to +20 (if you can do it) is great for a few items if you have the time.

But in that same amount of time you can also do a lot more items on a lower setting for less levels.

So what do you do? you use fewer potions, stamina and get more levels and better drops doing them on IWBTH or you can do more items in the same time while burning potions, stamina and getting lower quality drops. The one thing about grinding more levels is you will get more drops.

Do you use Great status when doing the IWBTH plays? I have no patience for doing them on Normal status. I can blast through 8 normal difficulty runs in the time it takes me to do one IWBTH run on Normal status, so I've been sticking with that since I've got a full set to upgrade now. I have little patience for IW in general, so I find it's easier to just do short runs twice a day on a lot of stuff instead of once or twice a day on IWBTH.

Do you use Great status when doing the IWBTH plays? I have no patience for doing them on Normal status. I can blast through 8 normal difficulty runs in the time it takes me to do one IWBTH run on Normal status, so I've been sticking with that since I've got a full set to upgrade now. I have little patience for IW in general, so I find it's easier to just do short runs twice a day on a lot of stuff instead of once or twice a day on IWBTH.

It depends on the item I want to level. For IWBTH I like to have great status if the item is Superior or higher but for some of the lower stuff I wont or if it doesn't need many rounds. If I did BT I wouldn't.

When I mage normal I get pissed when spells miss or i need to cast a MM or 2nd spell to finish off something. It slows me down and breaks my rhythm. I can play faster on a higher setting knowing I need to cast 2 spells

When I mage normal I get pissed when spells miss or i need to cast a MM or 2nd spell to finish off something. It slows me down and breaks my rhythm. I can play faster on a higher setting knowing I need to cast 2 spells

Or when I say blast, I really mean it. You could just not care and blast the survivors with whatever spell you're using for the initial attack instead of switching to a weaker one or MM. Your base mana should be plenty high enough that you have no problem clearing without running out of MP, and your scavenger level should be high enough that you still gain back more pots than you use. It's much faster to just hit the R key and click on a survivor than it is to pick another spell. But if you really have to use MM, put it in Slot 0 so it's at the right end of the quickbar.

Doing almost the same thing like hito. Perfectly fine for me even at the time when IW's screwed up by HP increment and the adjustment hadn't come yet.

And the fastest way isn't R, but alt + 1, because you don't even need to change your finger's position. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Or when I say blast, I really mean it. You could just not care and blast the survivors with whatever spell you're using for the initial attack instead of switching to a weaker one or MM. Your base mana should be plenty high enough that you have no problem clearing without running out of MP, and your scavenger level should be high enough that you still gain back more pots than you use. It's much faster to just hit the R key and click on a survivor than it is to pick another spell. But if you really have to use MM, put it in Slot 0 so it's at the right end of the quickbar.

I've got 3k magic points with most of my mage sets and I'm sitting on 13k godly mana pots so they're not a problem. I just hate casting a spell that costs close to 100 mana to kill something i can kill with a MM or a tier 1 ele spell.

And if I need to cast a 2nd on normal I would just rather do a higher setting for better exp, drops, +levels.

Doing almost the same thing like hito. Perfectly fine for me even at the time when IW's screwed up by HP increment and the adjustment hadn't come yet.

And the fastest way isn't R, but alt + 1, because you don't even need to change your finger's position. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

So 2 buttons is faster than one huh? I also don't want to know how you have to strain your hand to use gems either, unless you've scripted it to somewhere besides G or P. I find R+G and mouse to be the fastest for maging. It's easier to time clicks as the pages finish loading, and it's less awkward and slow as using any combination of alt key.

I've got 3k magic points with most of my mage sets and I'm sitting on 13k godly mana pots so they're not a problem. I just hate casting a spell that costs close to 100 mana to kill something i can kill with a MM or a tier 1 ele spell.

Don't use dark? I don't understand people's infatuation with Fenrir. If you have to go non-elemental, Banish with breached defense is just as effective as Ragnarok with less cost.

This post has been edited by hitokiri84: Jun 1 2012, 19:57

So 2 buttons is faster than one huh? I also don't want to know how you have to strain your hand to use gems either, unless you've scripted it to somewhere besides G or P. I find R+G and mouse to be the fastest for maging. It's easier to time clicks as the pages finish loading, and it's less awkward and slow as using any combination of alt key.

Um...I don't know. Usually my middle finger's on key 1 and my thumb's on left alt/space. The R/G button can then be used by the index finger. As I don't have great coordination on my fingers, I want to decrease my dependence on my mouse. With this method I can translate 99% of the opening spell to alt 1 + 1, thus I only need the mouse for occasional supportive/MM.

In other words, my brain's like an old P4 CPU which can't send multiple orders to different parts of body (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by varst: Jun 1 2012, 20:16

Ah, well I've been using the same settings and mouse for so long that it's practically an extension of my own body. Plus, I don't know how your keyboard is laid out, but I would tear some tendons in my hand trying to to reach the left alt, 1, and R/G all at the same time. Instead I just keep my left hand on R, G, and space and let the mouse take case of everything else. Fortunately, the G button can also pull up the items pane when you don't have any gems too. All in all, I only have to move the mouse about 1 cm in any direction, so I don't have to move my wrists at all.

Of course that is just for maging. I use a different left hand positioning and keypad with the right hand for melee setups.

Um...I don't know. Usually my middle finger's on key 1 and my thumb's on left alt/space. The R/G button can then be used by the index finger. As I don't have great coordination on my fingers, I want to decrease my dependence on my mouse. With this method I can translate 99% of the opening spell to alt 1 + 1, thus I only need the mouse for occasional supportive/MM.

In other words, my brain's like an old P4 CPU which can't send multiple orders to different parts of body (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I never really use alt, when there are 4 or more monsters i just have my mouse pointer over the spell i'll cast then hit 4 with thumb on space. R and G are in a nice line so that hand doesn't move much. If I need to target a monster with a 2nd spell I use the mouse and not a number.

Don't use dark? I don't understand people's infatuation with Fenrir. If you have to go non-elemental, Banish with breached defense is just as effective as Ragnarok with less cost.

I dont have a problem casting a spell that costs more if I can one shot more often, its not like i'll run out of mana doing most things. I often use Pestilence on lower settings too. But I try different element gear and other stuff then just use what works best.

people like dark spells since it does good damage with soso gear and they don't have your staff (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Having to go through T&T on IWBTH by mistake instead of BT and without the right items is so much fun

soul stones!?!? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Nah, too many Mana pots and too few Spirit pots. And no sharding. And the wrong spells in the quickbar.
I even had to ET and use Soul Reaper (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
On the bright side, I got ~.45 Staff proficiency and some (crappy) Heimdall Phase.