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May 13 2012, 06:15
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Bunker Buster
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Begs the question though: how useful would a crude gossamer max prof piece would be? The bindings are cheap, and you won't be using mid grade parts until 3/4 through.
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May 13 2012, 06:33
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Kaosumx
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Thing is, the bonus damage from proficiency and edb are multiplied.
You get more bonus if its 2 times 2 than 3 times 1.
In this case, because you can naturally get proficiency, and a staff will also give proficiency, increasing your proficiency with gossamer pieces will be less beneficial than increasing EDB with phase peices. Factoring in level scaling and max base values, you can get about twice as much prof from gossamer than edb from phase, but going by a simplified damage calc,
Say you have 200 prof. You have the choice between 130 edb and 40 bonus prof, or 30 edb and 250 bonus prof.
This means you get a multiplier of 2.3*2.2 = 5.06 with set 1 and 1.3 * 3.25 = 4.225 for set 2
If you have no proficiency, the the multiplier is 2.3*1.2 = 2.76 for set 1 and 1.3*2.25=2.925 with set 2.
A very crude example, but I think it demonstrates the point. Proficiency from gossamer is slightly betterl if you have very little proficiency, but if you have good proficiency, then edb is much better.
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May 13 2012, 09:56
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HaliZorat
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Oh lol, lost credits on nearly every shade armor I have in my auction. Guess that says something about a) the quality/level of my items or b: my pricing of the items, since Sushi's high level stuff does so well. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by HaliZorat: May 13 2012, 10:08
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May 13 2012, 10:04
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mustardpie
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QUOTE Sending emails to yourself must be the ultimate form of social withdrawal, kupo! Seek help, kupo! This made my day. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 13 2012, 10:45
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Death Grunty
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QUOTE(Kaosumx @ May 12 2012, 22:33)  Thing is, the bonus damage from proficiency and edb are multiplied.
You get more bonus if its 2 times 2 than 3 times 1.
In this case, because you can naturally get proficiency, and a staff will also give proficiency, increasing your proficiency with gossamer pieces will be less beneficial than increasing EDB with phase peices. Factoring in level scaling and max base values, you can get about twice as much prof from gossamer than edb from phase, but going by a simplified damage calc,
Let's go with max values on equipment @300:
Say you have 300 prof and your choice is between 224 edb (5 legendary edb pieces + legendary destruction staff with max edb) and 71.94 bonus prof, or 23.03 edb and 431.64 bonus prof (5 legendary gossamer + legendary destr.).
This means you get a multiplier of 3.24*2.8597 = 9.27 with set 1 and 1.2303*4.6582 = 5.73 with set 2.
If you have no proficiency: 3.24*1.3597 = 4.41 with set 1 and 1.2303*3.1582 = 3.89 with set 2.
EDB is clearly superior.
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May 13 2012, 10:54
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(HaliZorat @ May 13 2012, 07:56)  Oh lol, lost credits on nearly every shade armor I have in my auction. Guess that says something about a) the quality/level of my items or b: my pricing of the items, since Sushi's high level stuff does so well. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Never have a starting bid lower then what you can sell the item to the Bazaar. Low level items "can" be just as good as stuff that is +350 but you need to point that out with base stats or what the stats are @350 or something. Also more people are going to look at auctions made by someone as high as him vs someone ~200. That isn't always a bad thing if you are the buyer, they can often get a good price on stuff.
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May 13 2012, 12:01
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LangTuTaiHoa
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And/or make small auctions with less equips. Too many equips will scatter bidders' attention so the really good ones may not be able to reach the optimum price.
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May 13 2012, 12:17
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4EverLost
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QUOTE(LangTuTaiHoa @ May 13 2012, 10:01)  And/or make small auctions with less equips. Too many equips will scatter bidders' attention so the really good ones may not be able to reach the optimum price.
Well when I see 200-300 items for sale I just go "oh shit" I don't want to look at that much stuff. That's why in most of my auctions I list some stats of the items being sold. That seems to work well if an item is only Fine but has very good stats.
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May 13 2012, 14:50
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Annoyed
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Here is my question to high level players and low level also What is important in HentaiVerse ? Answer is mostly Equipments . People always show there equipments in Equipment thread , some people show there Forge equipments . But what is use of such equipments if you don't able show your DAMAGE to other people. Please show you maximum damage . I remember , in past day , i asked some high level players for there maximum damage via PM . And then most of all replayed that " Sorry i don't have goood equipments please ask for this guy ".... bla bla bla . I mean common man , i am asking for your Damage not your CREDIT CARD NUMBER . (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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May 13 2012, 15:03
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varst
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Why should I show my maximum damage? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I mean, what's the point of showing that besides showing whoever has the largest d**k? Everyone have their equip set, stat, auras, strategy...'dealing the max damage' doesn't translate to 'you're the best player'. So....what's the point of showing that, again? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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May 13 2012, 15:07
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LangTuTaiHoa
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QUOTE(varst @ May 13 2012, 20:03)  Why should I show my maximum damage? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I mean, what's the point of showing that besides showing whoever has the largest d**k? Everyone have their equip set, stat, auras, strategy...'dealing the max damage' doesn't translate to 'you're the best player'. So....what's the point of showing that, again? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) For references, perhaps? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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May 13 2012, 15:09
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varst
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Referencing goes to this thread
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May 13 2012, 15:53
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Death Grunty
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QUOTE(Annoyed @ May 13 2012, 06:50)  Here is my question to high level players and low level also What is important in HentaiVerse ? Answer is mostly Equipments . People always show there equipments in Equipment thread , some people show there Forge equipments . But what is use of such equipments if you don't able show your DAMAGE to other people. Please show you maximum damage . I remember , in past day , i asked some high level players for there maximum damage via PM . And then most of all replayed that " Sorry i don't have goood equipments please ask for this guy ".... bla bla bla . I mean common man , i am asking for your Damage not your CREDIT CARD NUMBER . (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Here's the answer: knowing the damage someone far below or beyond my level does is pointless. The scaling is rather steep so it's insignificant what someone else deals. Equipment on the other hand scales and shows in stats, thus you can compare it with the stuff you own and make an educated guess to how far you're from maxing your preferred style. Maan I really want a good staff so I can try maging. The recent patch made my robe kickass. And according to my calculations you can easily replace one piece in an edb set with a prof piece and still be close to the optimized effect of a full edb set.
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May 13 2012, 16:03
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Evil Scorpio
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QUOTE 60 10 You gain 301 Credits! 60 9 You gain 1632313 EXP! 60 8 Nazuna Raidou dropped [Godly Mana Potion] 60 7 Holy Bell dropped [Godly Mana Potion] 60 6 Liselotte Werckmeister dropped [Godly Mana Potion] 60 5 Kannabi No Mikoto dropped [Godly Mana Potion] 60 4 Big Bad Leroy Brown dropped [Godly Mana Potion] 60 3 You are Victorious! 60 2 Big Bad Leroy Brown has been defeated. 60 1 You crit Big Bad Leroy Brown for 5786 void damage Jackpot, lol... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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May 13 2012, 16:22
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Kaosumx
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Welp, now I'm finally flat broke after another lvl in scavenger.
Time to start saving up again.
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May 13 2012, 16:22
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Annoyed
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QUOTE(varst @ May 13 2012, 19:33)  Why should I show my maximum damage? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I mean, what's the point of showing that besides showing whoever has the largest d**k? Everyone have their equip set, stat, auras, strategy...'dealing the max damage' doesn't translate to 'you're the best player'. So....what's the point of showing that, again? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I thought humans are curious creation of god (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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May 13 2012, 16:43
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Bunker Buster
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QUOTE(Kaosumx @ May 13 2012, 16:22)  Welp, now I'm finally flat broke after another lvl in scavenger.
Time to start saving up again.
Watch as your drop chances go mysteriously sour.
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May 13 2012, 17:03
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Bunker Buster
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May 13 2012, 17:11
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Ichy
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Upgrading Legendarys is assraping expensive even if you have an army of monsters (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(Bunker Buster @ May 13 2012, 17:03)  I have some non Slaughter ethereal estocs in my stash. I was thinking about bazaaring them (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) This post has been edited by Ichy: May 13 2012, 17:12
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