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Oh that.
ADM:
Current: 69.5%
(using cmal's tool) Katana=62.29%, Waki=16.20% (with 55.3% reduction = 7.2414%) total= ~69.53%
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No problems here I think.

Now all you need to do is confirm that this tool uses the correct proficiencies...

I can understand doing grindfest on harder levels if you can still use thunderstorm, but using WoT eats mana too fast to go very deep into a run.

I use Flames of Loki in IW and I can go ~200 rounds on ~8 superior mana potions. How deep do you need to go?
Sadly that's on normal, although I may be able to get away with Meteor for 1 shots now that I have Arcane. As long you are 1hko tho I would assume you could go hundreds of rounds with godly potions or elixirs.

I use Flames of Loki in IW and I can go ~200 rounds on ~8 superior mana potions. How deep do you need to go?
Sadly that's on normal, although I may be able to get away with Meteor for 1 shots now that I have Arcane. As long you are 1hko tho I would assume you could go hundreds of rounds with godly potions or elixirs.

He set a record of 10000+ rounds HardFest. At 200+ levels with good gear it's more a concentration task.

@Sayo: I calculated the values correctly with the respective 2H/2W proficiencies, are you telling me to check if cmal tool calculates them correctly? (Just checked now with ADM anyway, and they're correct)

Well, seeing as there (at least as of last I disappeared for awhile) is no bonus to quality after round 100, why would you ever need to go more than 300-500 rounds in one sitting?

Well, seeing as there (at least as of last I disappeared for awhile) is no bonus to quality after round 100, why would you ever need to go more than 300-500 rounds in one sitting?

Because some guys have the time to complete all dairy arenas/IW possible, plus still having time for thousands of GrindFest rounds, avoiding the 100 entries per 100 hours hard cap.

o_O

completing all the arenas, plus the 10 IW is already 3000+ rounds. I dont think its physically possible to complete a round in less that 2-3 seconds. Assuming you are the connection and keyboard god and take 2 seconds per round, thats already about 2 hours just to go through the IW and arenas, And that again is assuming you are some sort of minor deity.

How much more time can you spend a day without your brains starting to leak out your ear? I play in 10-15 minute bursts that it takes to clear a 200+ IW run and then do something else for the most part.

Assuming one actually sleeps, you only need about 1000 rounds per grind run at 2 seconds a round to dodge the 100-100 limit even if you play 16 hours a day.

O_o

How much more time can you spend a day without your brains starting to leak out your ear? I play in 10-15 minute bursts that it takes to clear a 200+ IW run and then do something else for the most part.

I can't even play 10-15 min without taking a break now, and that's not me specially with my crappy PC.

I dont think its physically possible to complete a round in less that 2-3 seconds.

For some it is, specially now, you only need to hit Alt+1,1, Enter, hit P if you want to, and cast AF if you need to. (Also Chrome is faster than Firefox)

This post has been edited by cmdct: Dec 8 2010, 22:40

I guess if I didn't have to hit P pretty much every round I could cut it to 1.5s but still... I get basically instant loads but I dont think I have the attention span to keep up that level of speed for any extended period of time. I could do it, as in technically possible, I just dont think I have the willpower to submit myself to that.

On a side note only now I get it, why Fox gear is used, and how to use it correctly laugh.gif

I wasn't impressed when using fox gear, guess I don't know how to use it right.

I use Flames of Loki in IW and I can go ~200 rounds on ~8 superior mana potions. How deep do you need to go?
Sadly that's on normal, although I may be able to get away with Meteor for 1 shots now that I have Arcane. As long you are 1hko tho I would assume you could go hundreds of rounds with godly potions or elixirs.

I used soul harvest for just about everything until level 200 or so. It did a better job killing for the mana cost until I was able to get all 3 tiers of an elemental skill maxed and then was able to use tier 1 spells and their lower mana costs to kill on higher level setting. Using tier 3 spells on monsters that only have 5000 life is over kill if a lower level spell will do. Using the spells that cost less lets you go deeper in a run on harder levels since you save more mana. Most of my IW are 230-260 rounds, if I only did them on normal-hard I wouldn't need any mana pots but when doing them on nightmare and up it helps if you try and conserve mana (unless you like using ET)

if I use thunderstorm I can do +10,000 rounds, chain lightning +2000, WoT maybe +500 or something (using godly mana) but doing that in Grindfest is just bad exp, even on Hell. The whole thing about doing grinding was for item drops for credits. Grindfest should have better drop rates then IW so if you can do them fast its not so bad to burn a few thousand rounds without using any items. Doing them on hard-heroic was to just got a little more exp out of them if you can still kill them all with 1 thunder storm.


I haven't done all 10 IW and my arenas in the same day since maybe level 250 or at least since the last patch. I'll do maybe half my IW and If I time i'll do as many arenas as i can with the time i have. the more time i have the harder the level i'll do

I found IW to have at least as good drops, if not better, than grindfest, and the exp is about 4x a grind so i pretty much never bother with grindfest anymore. Meteor is now sufficient to 1 shot waves on normal, and it costs less than Soul Harvest.

I still can't ditch normal difficulty yet D: I think my gear is pretty solid but I still cant one shot mobs on hard.

If i recall soul harvest was 25 mana to cast and it did a better job of killing since fewer normal monsters would resist soul damage. That and it only cost 11 AP to max so i had more points to use for other things.

I put the full 33 into inferno/meteor/flames since i already have exp/hp/mp boosts maxed and spirit/overcharge is worthless for mages, but I guess I'll try Soul Harvest again in a few ap if for nothing more than to boost my forbidden prof.

Now all you need to do is confirm that this tool uses the correct proficiencies...

Proficiency is independent from fighting style in my calc. You plug in whichever proficiency you need, and it crunches the numbers -- there's no need to check because it assumes the user knows what they're doing.

well at you level i was doing 2 handed melee but i also had holy/dark/soul. and then i could used the other AP for exp tank, Deprecating and Supportive skills

you'll need higher spirit points for spark of life if you play on harder levels.

Hmm, I still haven't had to use spark and I've gone the the full RoB but I suppose in high round counts a stray crit from a regular mob that happened to resist Inferno could 1hko you. I guess thats another 33-42 ap I'll have to sink eventually, but for now I can get a level every 30-60 minutes just blasting away in normal difficulty item world and I cant efficiently clear hard yet, that will have to wait until I can 1hko mobs with FoL there. Nothing in normal comes remotely close to being able to 1hko me.

Well, to answer 4ever's concern from the beginning of the page, my attempt at getting untargeted 1-shots on Hell difficulty is mostly for the purpose of doing IW's at that difficulty. More exp/better drops/more chance of a +2 level up for the same amount of time spent.

I only ever do IWs/Arenas now. I don't have the time or inclination to do an absurdly long Grindfest run, so that's moot. Though I'm at the same "not quite there" breakpoint for T-Storm Heroic as I am for WoT Hell. Just got to get my Mjolnir equip all leveled.

Also, I always watch TV shows/anime/movies while doing this, as otherwise it's way too boring (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Hmm, I still haven't had to use spark and I've gone the the full RoB but I suppose in high round counts a stray crit from a regular mob that happened to resist Inferno could 1hko you. I guess thats another 33-42 ap I'll have to sink eventually, but for now I can get a level every 30-60 minutes just blasting away in normal difficulty item world and I cant efficiently clear hard yet, that will have to wait until I can 1hko mobs with FoL there. Nothing in normal comes remotely close to being able to 1hko me.

If you actually WANT to do a 10k+ grindfest, spark is a requirement after a few thousand rounds, as any random mob that resists you can 1hko you. At 5k+ non-crits will kill you. Not even counting missclicks or lag making you melee on accident. I do that a lot. Bosses are death on every hit irregardless of weaken so it's just a matter of killing them as fast as possible.

This post has been edited by Conquest101: Dec 9 2010, 03:45

i've got a post someplace where i list some of the random hits i took doing a grind, +35k if i recall. grind vs IW for me is only drops to sell, seem i got a lot more doing a grind. before the last patch you could a good pile of items to sell doing a long grind. but like you i almost never do grinds, the exp is just too low for the time it takes.

for what i asked at the start, i can under stand doing that for IW and doing the hardest difficulty for each spell. But IW depend so much on what item you are using. A lot of my stuff is Average-Fine and its not hard to use chain on high levels on them, but when I do IW for EXP on Battletoads in Exquisite items WoT still won't kill everything in one shot all the time.

i've got a post someplace where i list some of the random hits i took doing a grind, +35k if i recall. grind vs IW for me is only drops to sell, seem i got a lot more doing a grind. before the last patch you could a good pile of items to sell doing a long grind. but like you i almost never do grinds, the exp is just too low for the time it takes.

for what i asked at the start, i can under stand doing that for IW and doing the hardest difficulty for each spell. But IW depend so much on what item you are using. A lot of my stuff is Average-Fine and its not hard to use chain on high levels on them, but when I do IW for EXP on Battletoads in Exquisite items WoT still won't kill everything in one shot all the time.

I could theoretically do all my IWs on BT (Magnificent included) if I wanted to. Using infusions I can clear all rounds with 1 enemy alive at max. But it takes more time/attention, and I don't usually bother. IW quality doesn't matter if everything dies in 1 cast heh.

Damn ghost and blue slime bastards not being 1hko all the time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm really close to being able to 1shot T-storm on Heroic and I don't even have an elemental/mjo robe. Of course the things I actually need never drop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Damn ghost and blue slime bastards not being 1hko all the time. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm really close to being able to 1shot T-storm on Heroic and I don't even have an elemental/mjo robe. Of course the things I actually need never drop. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

need a robe to mess with?