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post Oct 19 2025, 14:58
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Oct 11 2025, 19:35) *

Charms and pouches can also be obtained by offering trophies in The Shrine, and can be traded in The Market.


I wonder the relationship between trophy tier and charm quality, what tier trophy I offer will at least give me a greater charm? And if I offer trophies to get the charms, can I select the the charm used for a certain type of equipment?
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post Oct 19 2025, 15:02
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QUOTE(Tgbvfr @ Oct 19 2025, 13:25) *

Depending on their luck, players may need to enter Item Word dozens of times during the Easter events to get at least one of each unique drop for Snowflake. World Seeds will not auto recover hourly like Stamina, so it could be difficult for casual players to fully participate in the event. One way to address this problem would be to offer players the option to choose the cost of entering Item World. Players would not receive a Charm if they choose Stamina. Alternately, Easter drops could be limited to just Arena and Grindfest. Will we need to save up a large quantity of World Seeds to help Snowflake during Easter?



QUOTE(CronoBoA @ Oct 19 2025, 13:44) *

When the next Isekai season starts, how will we earn exp? In the past, I would do the level 1 Arena, then do Tower floor 1, and then spam Item Worlds to unlock Arenas. With the upcoming changes to the Item World, this is no longer possible because while Soul Fragments have unlimited supply in the Item Shop, Amnesia Shards/World Seeds do not. Do we try to earn exp from Grindfests, which cost one Stamina upfront to enter? That sounds brutal, but I don't see any other option. If I may be so bold, I would like to offer some suggestions to help alleviate this situation:
-Sell World Seeds with unlimited supply in the Item Shop
-Allow the first few floors of an equipment's Item World to be entered without consuming World Seeds, similar to how the first five levels of equipment Upgrades do not currently require any Bindings
-Remove the one Stamina upfront cost to enter Isekai Grindfests, especially considering Crystals do not drop in Isekai


both of you point out that the IW may not be usable as a place to grind - EXP or easter trophies. Is that so bad?

For Isekai, I'd say we still have Grindfest to gain some EXP. Yes, that uses a bit more stamina, but it's not that bad imho.

For Easter: there's still time luckily. But it could well be that Easter event requires some tweaking. For instance: only drop easter stuff in arena's and grindfest
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post Oct 19 2025, 15:22
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Most likely IW either won't drop easter items, or it will just drop items that overlap with what drops in the other modes.

QUOTE(what_is_name @ Oct 19 2025, 14:30) *
what if the sacrificed gear doesn't have the target stat?


You can still fuse them, but it would cost a core.

QUOTE(namae56709 @ Oct 19 2025, 14:42) *
Will the type of equipment used for an IW run/received from shrining affect the charms that can be obtained, e.g. must use a staff to be able to get a penetrator charm?


There are no staff-only charms right now, but staffs/weapons will only drop staff/weapon charms and shield/armor will only drop shield/armor charms.

QUOTE(themasterofhb @ Oct 19 2025, 14:58) *
I wonder the relationship between trophy tier and charm quality, what tier trophy I offer will at least give me a greater charm? And if I offer trophies to get the charms, can I select the the charm used for a certain type of equipment?


It'll use the cumulative credit counter, so frequency will be determined by the credit value of the trophies, while rarity is fixed. Might make sense to have a bias towards charms for the equipment type you are asking for, but it doesn't currently.
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post Oct 19 2025, 15:37
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QUOTE(what_is_name @ Oct 19 2025, 21:30) *

what if the sacrificed gear doesn't have the target stat?


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Oct 19 2025, 22:22) *

You can still fuse them, but it would cost a core.


In that case, are missing stats considered as 170-rolls?
Or will it be considered as 0-rolls and require a very large amount of gears, cores and bindings?
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post Oct 19 2025, 15:59
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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Oct 19 2025, 15:37) *

In that case, are missing stats considered as 170-rolls?
Or will it be considered as 0-rolls and require a very large amount of gears, cores and bindings?

I would like conformation, but the way I understand it:

a core, so 1 core, compensates for any stat that is 'lower than on the equipment'. i.e. 170, or 0, it's still 'lower'. The equipment that you want to upgrade must have the stat that you want to upgrade. So that is minimum 170. But let's say it's 190. You use a legendary with 0, which is lower than 190. So add one core, and you can get your stat to 191. Yay happy days, only 9 levels to go!

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post Oct 19 2025, 16:24
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QUOTE(Noni @ Oct 19 2025, 22:59) *

a core, so 1 core, compensates for any stat that is 'lower than on the equipment'. i.e. 170, or 0, it's still 'lower'.


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Oct 11 2025, 20:35) *

if the sacrificed gear has a lower base roll, it will additionally require one or more Cores to improve that stat.


It may cost more than one core.

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post Oct 19 2025, 17:43
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Oct 19 2025, 09:44) *

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Level 1-3 potencies turn into Lesser Charms, and Level 4-5 potencies turn into Greater Charms.

If you have a 4-4-1, it'd turn into two Greater Charms and one Lesser Charm.


Just to clarify:

A staff that's currently IW'd to level 10 with Penetrator 5, Spellweaver 4, and Hollowforged would get three Greater Charms (Greater Penetrator, Greater Spellweaver, Hollowforged).

That staff instead with Penetrator 4, Spellweaver 4, Archmage 1, and Hollowforged would get an additional Lesser Charm on the item (Greater Penetrator, Greater Spellweaver, Lesser Archmage, Hollowforged).

Will Penetrator 5 turn into a more powerful Greater Charm than Penetrator 4 would, or should we all start re-IW'ing our staffs now to get the extra Lesser Charm?
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post Oct 19 2025, 18:13
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QUOTE(kamio11 @ Oct 19 2025, 17:43) *

If you have a 4-4-1, it'd turn into two Greater Charms and one Lesser Charm.
Just to clarify:

A staff that's currently IW'd to level 10 with Penetrator 5, Spellweaver 4, and Hollowforged would get three Greater Charms (Greater Penetrator, Greater Spellweaver, Hollowforged).

That staff instead with Penetrator 4, Spellweaver 4, Archmage 1, and Hollowforged would get an additional Lesser Charm on the item (Greater Penetrator, Greater Spellweaver, Lesser Archmage, Hollowforged).

Will Penetrator 5 turn into a more powerful Greater Charm than Penetrator 4 would, or should we all start re-IW'ing our staffs now to get the extra Lesser Charm?

no. so if you want to optimze: REFORGE!
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but seriously, I'm not gonna reforge for an extra archmage. Maybe staff should just get 2 great max and the single archmage should be killed on all staff

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post Oct 19 2025, 18:24
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QUOTE(Noni @ Oct 19 2025, 17:13) *

no. so if you want to optimze: REFORGE!
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but seriously, I'm not gonna reforge for an extra archmage. Maybe staff should just get 2 great max and the single archmage should be killed on all staff

If people want to spend amnesia shards and stamina on a tradeable upgrade, I say let them.
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post Oct 19 2025, 19:30
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QUOTE(Noni @ Oct 19 2025, 15:59) *
a core, so 1 core, compensates for any stat that is 'lower than on the equipment'. i.e. 170, or 0, it's still 'lower'. The equipment that you want to upgrade must have the stat that you want to upgrade. So that is minimum 170. But let's say it's 190. You use a legendary with 0, which is lower than 190. So add one core, and you can get your stat to 191.


That is the plan, yes.

QUOTE(kamio11 @ Oct 19 2025, 17:43) *
A staff that's currently IW'd to level 10 with Penetrator 5, Spellweaver 4, and Hollowforged would get three Greater Charms (Greater Penetrator, Greater Spellweaver, Hollowforged).

That staff instead with Penetrator 4, Spellweaver 4, Archmage 1, and Hollowforged would get an additional Lesser Charm on the item (Greater Penetrator, Greater Spellweaver, Lesser Archmage, Hollowforged).

Will Penetrator 5 turn into a more powerful Greater Charm than Penetrator 4 would, or should we all start re-IW'ing our staffs now to get the extra Lesser Charm?


There are only two distinct "powers" of charms, Lesser and Greater. Lvl 4 and Lvl 5 potencies turn into the same charm.

You could of course reforge your stuff for an extra free charm, but it would probably be both cheaper and easier to just pick up that extra charm after the update.
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post Oct 19 2025, 19:36
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1. Are there new type of charms added after the update?

2. Are old type of charms(e.g. Penetrator, Juggernaut) still obtainable after the update?

3. Do the charms drop from monster during the Item World or we can pnly get the charms as the bouns for clearing the Item World?

4. Can we get a certain type of charm from Item World or we just can get a random type of charm from Item World?
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post Oct 19 2025, 19:45
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Thanks for all the work! I have one last question.
After updating to the new version, will the newly produced equipment generally have a better base roll than the current equipment?
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post Oct 19 2025, 19:58
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QUOTE(mirroricecola @ Oct 19 2025, 19:45) *

Thanks for all the work! I have one last question.
After updating to the new version, will the newly produced equipment generally have a better base roll than the current equipment?

no. ranges are unchanged.
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post Oct 19 2025, 20:01
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QUOTE(Anemone @ Oct 19 2025, 19:36) *

1. Are there new type of charms added after the update?

2. Are old type of charms(e.g. Penetrator, Juggernaut) still obtainable after the update?

3. Do the charms drop from monster during the Item World or we can pnly get the charms as the bouns for clearing the Item World?

4. Can we get a certain type of charm from Item World or we just can get a random type of charm from Item World?

1. no, only those that replace stuff in current version - so yes they may have a new name, but no they are not doing new things
2. yes, unchanged
4. random, it's in this thread somewhere
3. I haven't found any info on that
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post Oct 19 2025, 20:27
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QUOTE(Anemone @ Oct 19 2025, 19:36) *
3. Do the charms drop from monster during the Item World or we can pnly get the charms as the bouns for clearing the Item World?


Clear bonus, actually.

QUOTE(Anemone @ Oct 19 2025, 19:36) *
4. Can we get a certain type of charm from Item World or we just can get a random type of charm from Item World?


Charm drops are random, but only the ones that fit the type of equipment you are fighting in will drop.

QUOTE(mirroricecola @ Oct 19 2025, 19:45) *
After updating to the new version, will the newly produced equipment generally have a better base roll than the current equipment?


There shouldn't be any statistically significant differences between pre-patch and post-patch equipment.
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post Oct 20 2025, 00:23
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  1. How will the conversion of equipment that has different levels of upgrades between stats (for example, in weapons, ADB Lv.75, Parry Lv.32, Spell Damage Lv.0, Strength Lv.33, Dexterity Lv.29 Agility Lv.5)? That is, how would the upgrade and itemworld levels be defined? I ask this because in the new system all stats will have the same level and will always rise together.
  2. Will rare materials still be needed for stat fusion?
  3. Will there be a possibility for equipment to have 3 or more Greater Charms?
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post Oct 20 2025, 03:48
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If a melee weapon can attach a staff-type charm, can armor attach a staff-type charm?
I'm dreaming 5 6 Penetrator charms now

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QUOTE(l13763824039 @ Oct 20 2025, 03:48) *

If a melee weapon can attach a staff-type charm, can armor attach a staff-type charm?
I'm dreaming 5 6 Penetrator charms now

no, it was mentioned in this thread that armor & shields have a different, separate set of charms. Just like the potencies today. You can get Greater Juggernaut on all you equipment which is still very useful. But no more than 1 Greater Penetrator on you mage set.

...Greater Penetrator, there must be a funny monster name that can be made from that

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post Oct 20 2025, 10:42
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QUOTE(Noni @ Oct 20 2025, 01:58) *
no. ranges are unchanged.

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Oct 20 2025, 02:27) *
There shouldn't be any statistically significant differences between pre-patch and post-patch equipment.

Alright, everything makes sense now. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Thanks again!

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I think there will be an elemental strike charm for ethereal weapons only.
And I hope there will be a similar charm for elemental staffs.

QUOTE(sssss2 @ May 31 2020, 14:57) *

At Potency Tier 10, staves with ethereal prefix get a random Elemental Soul, instead of Elemental Strike.
- Elemental Soul gives an additional edb or proficiency.
- The amount of bonus is based on the base pxp (pxp0).


Like this.

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