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I didn't math it out yet, but the old upgrade levels and potency tier will convert to upgrade levels and item world levels in the new system. You save the cores, so you don't get a refund for the bindings, but if you rather want the bindings, you have the option to salvage it for a refund before the update goes to Persistent.

I would like a practical example. I am using the following equipment:

Peerless Ruby Power Helmet of Slaughter

As you can see, it is a complete forged equipment with Juggernaut Lv.5 and Holyproof Lv.5.

Once the new patch starts, what will this equipment be like? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Will I continue with Jug5 and Holy5, or will I have to redo everything again?

Will the numbers be equal and/or minimally close? Will I lose all the upgrades I made? I didn't really understand this part of the conversion. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

The plan is to not allow salvaging or fusing soulbound gear, but this is more to stop people from accidentally doing so than out of some sort of balance concern. I wouldn't think it will come up a lot seeing as salvaging gear doesn't refund materials anymore, but it's also not something I feel strongly about if most people don't want that safeguard.

If Stat Fusion works for Peerless too it would be nice if we could fuse all the soulfused isekai/auction gear. As for safeguard setting it on timer instead of instant click would solve the problem.

This post has been edited by Benny-boy: Oct 18 2025, 20:53

I would like a practical example. I am using the following equipment:

Peerless Ruby Power Helmet of Slaughter

As you can see, it is a complete forged equipment with Juggernaut Lv.5 and Holyproof Lv.5.

Once the new patch starts, what will this equipment be like? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Will I continue with Jug5 and Holy5, or will I have to redo everything again?

Will the numbers be equal and/or minimally close? Will I lose all the upgrades I made? I didn't really understand this part of the conversion. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

That one should convert with maxed upgrade and itemworld levels, as well as Greater Juggernaut and Greater Holy-proof charms.

Charms and pouches cannot be moved from the equipment/slot they are attached to.

Since Amnesia Shards have become World Seeds, does this mean there is no way to remove them? like soulfuse? Or does it destroy the old one when you put in the new charms and pouches?

Since Amnesia Shards have become World Seeds, does this mean there is no way to remove them? like soulfuse? Or does it destroy the old one when you put in the new charms and pouches?

You can remove the charm; this destroys both the charm and the pouch. You can also swap to a different charm; this destroys the old charm but keeps the pouch. Or you can swap the pouch; this destroys the old pouch but keeps the charm.

(Or put more simply, you are free to swap or remove charms or pouches, but you cannot turn them back into items.)

(Or put more simply, you are free to swap or remove charms or pouches, but you cannot turn them back into items.)

Thank you, totally understand (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Another question, will Elemental Strike and Hollowforged become Greater Charms or Lesser Charms?

This post has been edited by mirroricecola: Oct 18 2025, 21:44

Will the new Upgrades system have restrictions similar to the current Forge Upgrade Level?

The plan is to not allow salvaging or fusing soulbound gear, but this is more to stop people from accidentally doing so than out of some sort of balance concern. I wouldn't think it will come up a lot seeing as salvaging gear doesn't refund materials anymore, but it's also not something I feel strongly about if most people don't want that safeguard.

Equipment from peerless vouchers is always soulbound, so they must either be able to be salvaged for cores or sacrificed for stat fusion.
Edit: Or I suppose the voucher could give an unbound peerless.

This post has been edited by namae56709: Oct 18 2025, 21:20

Another question, will Elemental Strike and Hollowforged become Greater Charms or Lesser Charms?

If it only has one tier in the old potency system, it becomes a greater charm. (Thought Hollowforged was merged into Voidseeker, so you get that one instead.)

Will the new Upgrades system have restrictions similar to the current Forge Upgrade Level?

There are no caps outside of the the IW clear level, which has a max depending on the equip quality.

Equipment from peerless vouchers is always soulbound, so they must either be able to be salvaged for cores or sacrificed for stat fusion.
Edit: Or I suppose the voucher could give an unbound peerless.

Well, it could give a non-tradeable but non-soulbound equip, but yeah, probably makes sense to just allow soulbound stuff to be salvaged/fused with a safety.

salvaging gear doesn't refund materials anymore

Whoa.

I see that I missed that in the op, but I'm confused.

Upgrading, IW, Stat Fusion and Charms are only usable on Soulbound equipment. Which among other things means you can no longer use Salvage to refund spent materials

But you can salvage soulbound gear now. Wouldn't that still play nice with this update? I guess that's redundant with the prior discussion.

salvaged equipment will no longer be usable unless you repair it using all the items salvaged from it + the regular repair items required for a full repair.

So does salvaging now only give mats/cores for the equipment (without giving back 90% of the basic/rare mats used in upgrading)?

I can't speak for persistent, but not getting mats back in isekai would be awful. I guess you could up the drop rates and mats per salvage...

This post has been edited by hydoc: Oct 18 2025, 22:25

Charms replace the old random Potencies you got from the Item World, as well as the temporary boosts you could add with Enchantments.

Item Words are now based on the Tower mechanics, meaning that the difficulty level for each floor is fixed. They also now require World Seeds to initiate. These are just renamed Amnesia Shards with a different usage; "reforging" equipment is no longer a thing.

Will the other shards or infusions exist after these changes, or should we sell what we can and use up the rest before these changes are applied to Persistent?

So does salvaging now only give mats/cores for the equipment (without giving back 90% of the basic/rare mats used in upgrading)?
I can't speak for persistent, but not getting mats back in isekai would be awful. I guess you could up the drop rates and mats per salvage...

Well, the original rationale was basically "soulbind required to upgrade" + "soulbind cannot be salvaged" => "upgrade materials cannot be returned with salvage", so the code for doing anything extra when salvaging upgraded equips doesn't currently exist in the new system.

It does use somewhat less materials to upgrade than before (for most gear, depending on number of upgradeable stats in the old system), but if we allow salvaging soulbound gear I'll look into putting it back, at least for the basic mats.

Will the other shards or infusions exist after these changes, or should we sell what we can and use up the rest before these changes are applied to Persistent?

Should probably have mentioned it in the OP since I guess it's relevant to market value; shards and infusions are used as upkeep materials for the new charms, so you need some of them both to slot those charms and to repair gear that has those charms slotted.

The plan is to not allow salvaging or fusing soulbound gear, but this is more to stop people from accidentally doing so than out of some sort of balance concern. I wouldn't think it will come up a lot seeing as salvaging gear doesn't refund materials anymore, but it's also not something I feel strongly about if most people don't want that safeguard.

That sounds like a scenario a popup with a checkbox in addition to the normal confirm button could fix. Regular confirmations people will just click through, but one that requires special interaction provides enough opportunity to warn players that the gear is legendary and what they will or won't be getting back if they tick & hit confirm.

Changes seem good though. Solves some of the painful grindiness of IW by relegating it both to 'permanent' soulfused gear (that gets bonus IW exp anyway).

An equipment's upgrade level is capped to its current Item World level, which is capped by the quality of the equipment. For example, a Legendary equipment has 20 levels of IW, giving it maximum of 20 levels of upgrades.

Item Words are now based on the Tower mechanics, meaning that the difficulty level for each floor is fixed. They also now require World Seeds to initiate. These are just renamed Amnesia Shards with a different usage; "reforging" equipment is no longer a thing.

This sounds as if I need several World Seeds to max IW levels. Assuming it is somewhat like the current IW mechanic and I need to pay one World Seed to enter the IW, it would mean that I need a larger number of World Seeds to get a legendary to IW level 20. And if that's the case that would make it impossible for most players to upgrade their gear at all, regardless how many millions they have (and lets not even mention poor player like me), unless the drop rate of Amnesia Shards / World Seeds is increased very substantially. The market currently has 10k Amnesia Shards, which seems not nearly enough if these shards become a bottleneck item that everyone needs in larger quantities.

Since you get charms from item worlds maximum item world level for each equipment is fixed, will it be possible, to farm already cleared IW levels for charms?
Or will we need to soulfuse some (random) equipment and farm their IW to get another chance to get other/Greater charms?

By the way, will we still be required to max item world for items to be renamed?

Ok, I wasted a total of 2.5b GPs by repeatedly buying 2,000 tickets and clicking "Do Not Want" for those untradeable peerless cores. With the update making cores directly purchasable and GP value likely to drop, I've sold all my GP to cut my losses. I just hope a future update doesn't make this exit look foolish in the end.

No offense meant, just a little joke.
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lmao。 but if IW works exactly like tower, then I guess the first 20 levels doesn't really require any good gear?

Ok, I wasted a total of 2.5b GPs by repeatedly buying 2,000 tickets and clicking "Do Not Want" for those untradeable peerless cores. With the update making cores directly purchasable and GP value likely to drop, I've sold all my GP to cut my losses. I just hope a future update doesn't make this exit look foolish in the end.

I bought lots of Peerless and salvaged them already (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This sounds as if I need several World Seeds to max IW levels. Assuming it is somewhat like the current IW mechanic and I need to pay one World Seed to enter the IW, it would mean that I need a larger number of World Seeds to get a legendary to IW level 20. And if that's the case that would make it impossible for most players to upgrade their gear at all, regardless how many millions they have (and lets not even mention poor player like me), unless the drop rate of Amnesia Shards / World Seeds is increased very substantially. The market currently has 10k Amnesia Shards, which seems not nearly enough if these shards become a bottleneck item that everyone needs in larger quantities.

It was balanced so you should need roughly the same number of World Seeds to max-IW something as you would need to get the "optimal" set of potencies.

Since you get charms from item worlds maximum item world level for each equipment is fixed, will it be possible, to farm already cleared IW levels for charms?
Or will we need to soulfuse some (random) equipment and farm their IW to get another chance to get other/Greater charms?

You cannot replay IW levels, so if you wanted to farm IW for charms you would need to soulbind some other random gear. (This is one reason for why you also get them from trophies.)

By the way, will we still be required to max item world for items to be renamed?

All soulbound gear can be renamed out of the gate.

lmao。 but if IW works exactly like tower, then I guess the first 20 levels doesn't really require any good gear?

It's based on the tower floor scaling, but it skips floors.