QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Aug 9 2025, 01:48)
I did not make it very clear but there is a national vs tribal vs ethnic vs religious faction vs regional matrix of who is at war with each other.
The movement is merely the basis for virtue signaling to build their base against the many factions within Palestine. Then they are farmed by the leaders as a cause like starving Africans to collect donations like world vision does (world vision also farms Palestine for donations, and gives royalties to HAMAS). HAMAS is merely the current leading faction in Gaza as they murdered the majority of the other opposing factions. Leading the cause against Israel and nominally giving out token amounts of aid is what gives them their credibility.
Palestinians are kill on sight in Egypt, Syria (formerly?), Pakistan, Jordan, Saudi Arabia. They are lucky to get second class citizen status in the neighboring countries, some of them just have a policy to shoot first and ask questions later.
The problem with Arabic National Socialism is that every nation and ethnic group believe thy are the pure Muslims that should rule the united Arabic empire.
I would sum up the strategy of most countries in the region as 'we will support you if you are over there'.
It's a difficult situation since I can see how in Palestine terrorist groups would emerge fighting for independence, it's a kind of a vicious cycle where you get terrorists, Israel clamps down, Palestinians get treated worse, and then that leads to more terrorists. It is true that Palestinians essentially live in a police state. Palestinians were regularly getting incarcerated without charge, their homes were getting demolished and taken over by Israeli settlers, and they couldn't leave, even to Egypt, without Israeli permission.
It must be noted however that other arab states encourage Palestinian terrorism because it benefits them, and it doesn't look like it's for the benefit of Palestinians. There are cases when terrorism as a political strategy can work, good example - Mandela, but there must be certain conditions. Also terrorism could encourage the radicalization of more people, and your terrorist independence fighting/revolutionary group gets more followers, I think people can see it as an uncompromising strategy.
But, does it work against a determined opponent like Israel, the country that literally announced openly that its military strategy is to cause maximal damage to civilian infrastructure to force an enemy to surrender? It's one thing when US destroyed 90+% of buildings in North Korea and justified it by saying that the military and civilian sectors were tightly intertwined. It is also known that Israel has a Samson doctrine where it will nuke European cities should it fall. Is terrorism a good political strategy against an opponent like that? There is only so much you can escalate a conflict before a determined opponent will inflict so much damage to your civilian infrastructure and population so that you can't go on. Guerilla warfare has worked against the US, US lost in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Russians on the other hand, when they were given coordinates of schools in Syria by an international organization so that they won't target them, they went ahead and sent planes to bomb them. In the end the rebels in Syria were defeated, and relatively quickly at that, at a cost to the civilian population. The Americans weren't able to do the same in Iraq or Afghanistan.
The best solution for Palestinians would probably have been a 2 state solution that Israel proposed early on, but it was rejected because arabs thought they were in a position of power. But western states helped Israel.
Yeah, arabs are divided, they kill each other over small doctrine differences, while Israel accepts in atheists as long as they pass a genetic test. Israel's existance has definitely played a role in the rise of radical Muslim groups, 2 wars and arabs weren't able to defeat Israel, I can see how that can lead to radicalization, plus the region is destabilized because of US military actions, and Israel likes when it's destabilized if it serves their interests. Arabs learned terrorism from zionist terrorists who did it first.
This post has been edited by EOZ1: Aug 9 2025, 16:01
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