I was going to shut up, but I'm in a bad mood and need to blow off some steam, so fuck it.
QUOTE(Eutopia @ Aug 20 2010, 17:24)

If the stuff was already available for free elsewhere then why do you think blade currently are uploading galleries?
Did you really think that the stuff wouldnt get uploaded here if it was for free "elsewhere"?
Ive had a account there from time to time to dl the stuff they commission and the reason i havent uploaded the stuff is because, they dont own the doujin but they sure as hell own the translations they commissioned for.
And based from your post you are basically saying, because they found a way to profit from it they deserve to be ripped off?
You think that blade“s action is justified for whatever "belief" he is supporting? what if his "belief" was that he had the right to steal from anyone would that actually make it right?
You can say all you want that you dont care or whatever but the facts still remains, they paid for the translation and editing and deserve to decide when or if they want to publish it.
Thanks for basically calling me a liar and disregarding any points I tried to make in
this post. I can't believe I called you civil back then. You still believe DM paying for a few commissions, something we have no documented proof of right now, somehow makes their practices okay. Even if they did pay a commission on some items, that leaves a bunch more that were gotten elsewhere.
You then went on to say some crap about "what if his belief was that he had the right to steal from anyone?" Well, in that case, I doubt I'd agree with him. And while we're on the subject of irrelevant hypothetical shit nobody cares about, what would you do if DM started killing babies and using their blood to feed vampires who would agree to pay for their server costs in exchange?
You repeated yourself, so I'll repeat myself: only some of what DM has on their site was paid for or done by their own translators. If they just had that stuff in the members area, I wouldn't be having this argument, but they aggregate stuff from various other sources, many of which are freely available. They cash in on laziness and lack of Internet savvy on the part of their customers. I'm not about to try and put them out of business, and I know morality tends to be a relative thing when it comes to ill-gotten intellectual property, but if you honestly think that DM are just innocent victims in all this, I would say you're the delusional one here.
QUOTE(Eutopia @ Aug 21 2010, 07:20)

Does 50% of my post in the spamhouse make me less of a member here?
It makes you less respectable. Users who post just for the sake of posting annoy me because it's fairly evident that they aren't on the forums for conversation, they're here mostly to get whatever benefits are associated with increased post count, even if some of those benefits are entirely imaginary. The majority of spam posters don't even read the threads they are responding to, they just look at what the topic is and start posting. As a result, they have nothing of any value to contribute to the discussion, just another post tacked onto the end of the thread.
The only thing worse than that, in my mind, is people who get involved in an actual discussion without doing any reading first, and then have the balls to try and argue their point without any kind of evidence to base their argument on. Having your own opinion is fine, but if you're not totally informed about a topic, don't act like you're a fucking know-it-all and tell other people their viewpoint is wrong just because it's not the same as yours.
QUOTE(Eutopia @ Aug 21 2010, 07:32)

Did you tell him you were sick of discussing it in private and discuss it in this forum instead? if not i think we all know the reason you did it.
DM knew about this thread, and they easily could have continued discussing it here. The fact that they didn't stick around to put up a fight says volumes, I think. They know they're not in the right here, so there's nothing they can say or do to make them look good at this point, other than making the changes I suggested earlier.
QUOTE(Eutopia @ Aug 21 2010, 07:32)

Im sure the expunge was according to the rules, maybe some older members can confirm it but it doesnt really matter.
You're sure, huh? Well, I disagree with your opinion, but maybe I'll have to reconsider my point, since you're so damn sure. Fucking colon, rolleyes, colon.
QUOTE(Eutopia @ Aug 21 2010, 07:32)

Them pming you giving you the chance of removing it yourself is a courtesy, but not a must, so i dont see why those ppl needed the -k except that you cant accept that other ppl can defy you.
They expunged a gallery that, according to blade, was not violating any rules. So, either he's lying, he doesn't remember, or he's right. No matter which one, he felt wronged, so where the hell is the harm in giving someone negative karma? God knows people have gotten plenty of K- for less.
I don't get what happened here. This actually started out as a semi-mature discussion. Then the insults started. Just the fact that you would quote OmniscientOne (still and ironic name) made me lose whatever respect I had left for your viewpoint. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, but you keep making the same tired arguments with nothing to back them up. You can't win an argument that way, yet you still persist as if you're fighting for some just cause or something.
Look, the fact is we're arguing over doujins that were drawn and written by someone, scanned and translated by someone else without their consent to give out for free, and then taken from them and put on a paysite to make money off of them, only then to be taken by blade (for his own money no less) for the sake of giving to others for free again. Everyone involved in this dirty little chain is breaking copyright laws, ripping off other people's intellectual property, and generally being shady internet pirates. There's nothing right or moral about any of it.
Yet you choose to argue against blade's actions like somehow
he's the bad guy in all this. Wake the fuck up. He's just one more step in the dissemination of doujins all across the Internet. What he's doing isn't any more or less wrong than what DM does or what the scanlators do. If you can't see that, you need remedial help. Or a drug overdose, whichever works faster.
This post has been edited by FourThirteen: Aug 22 2010, 03:54