God, what a clusterfuck this is turning into. I guess I should've expected as much, but I was hoping I'd be able to read through the whole thread without needing a bathroom break.
QUOTE(OmniscientOne @ Aug 20 2010, 01:53)
Man, you just don't get it, Doujin-Moe works well for its viewers, and just because they put public doujins in a members section you think its evil? Its not about what they themselves translated, its about a friendly environment and a good, almost completely ad-free website that is good and convenient do get doujins from. God, I just can't stand jackasses like you who post other people's shit for no reason. Furthermore, where are these "sources," and this "translator" that really supports you? Are we supposed to take your word for it that doujin-moe treats its translators badly? How badly can you treat someone's work, either you post it online or you don't, either you pay the commission or you don't, which they do. Who the fuck do you think you are, Robin Hood? You're nothing but a pointless jackass who likes attention. (IMG:[
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QUOTE(Eutopia @ Aug 20 2010, 02:48)
Jealousy or not his post had a ring of truth in it.
You know, the stuff that was in their members area was already available for free elsewhere. They just found a way to profit off of it. If something resembling a community formed around it, it's mostly coincidental. They're charging money for translations that are totally free elsewhere. How can you defend that? The fact that they're ad-free or close to it is hardly an excuse. Stop arguing about things you don't understand.
If DM just did original scanlations and charged money for them, I wouldn't be so against it, but how do you justify building a business model out of profiting from other people's work?
Also,
QUOTE(Slayerjammer @ Aug 20 2010, 03:29)
Just to clarify I'm not the translator who blades mentions but I will elaborate the experience that has happened to me. When they post translated works, they do remove the credit pages or edit out the credits listed in the works. Unless you ask them not to or work for them then they usually leave it. Of course, I asked them not to do it and not to post my works in the pay section which Raikoh did comply with my request.
After all, I do not get any money from the works I translate and do it just for practice and stuff. The closes thing to which I ask for money is the donation which covers the server cost and I do not run it since I am being hosted by Ryuu which I believe is more than acceptable to have it there.
^ This.
QUOTE(Nashrakh @ Aug 20 2010, 05:54)
I don't think this will affect Doujin-Moe that much anyway, because, really... whoever pays for a membership subscription there most likely doesn't know his way around the internets to get his tasty porn for free elsewhere.
The whole business model is built around ripping off lazy fucks and people with only half a brain.
^ And this.
QUOTE(JukanX @ Aug 20 2010, 08:02)
Hmm, since what I'm about to say runs counter the prevailing direction of the thread I'll probably be downvoted to hell, but I'll go and say it anyway.
I'm afraid I can't agree much with what you're doing. Everybody seems to think the people at Doujin-Moe act the way they do out of greed, but knowing the realities of hosting a service (namely that bandwidth doesn't come cheap, and that pretty much nobody wants to advertise on a porn site) makes me think that it's the more reasonable course of action if someone wants to host a self-sustaining site.
They've done good to release much of what they've commissioned as public when they could have kept it all to themselves if they wanted; come to think of it, your actions could persuade them to do just so in retaliation, creating a net loss of 150-200 releases a year.
While I'd be happier if they refrained from editing other translators' credit pages, and if there was some explicit promise to make their exclusive releases public after a set time (long enough to give people some actual incentive to sign on), on the whole I think they've been a net benefit for the h-community and don't deserve to be screwed this way. In fact, come September I'll probably sign on for a couple of months to show them support...
To the above: I appreciate the civility of your reply, but that doesn't make you any less wrong. Advertising is not that hard to find for adult sites. There are ad providers who almost exclusively serve adult sites. And server costs are hardly an excuse; many websites out there operate on the owner's cash, which they have because they had enough sense to get a real job. As for DM putting everything in the members' area out of retaliation... no. They haven't revoked blade's account for messing with them, and they've proved through their responses that they don't have the moral high ground here and are basically begging that blade doesn't disrupt their site because there's really nothing they can do about it.
QUOTE(radixius @ Aug 20 2010, 16:00)
I can tell you honestly that I'm here for the forums.
Ditto.
Oh, and anto, the images have a watermark, that should give you a hint as to their origins.
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