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Personally I think it has some valid uses. And capitalism seems to love it.

"Companies can use AI to produce art faster and cheaper, maximizing profits" - DeepSeek

One of my arguments:
AI Artwork and the defunct of human made art could make authoritarianism an easier goal to reach. Censoring databases instead of censoring the autonomy of a human's hands is far easier, wouldn't you agree?

"Human artists often challenge power structures through their work. AI art, controlled by centralized systems, would lack this subversive potential." - DeepSeek

What do you think?

What arguments would you make for AI or against it?

I tried to include AI just keep the stance of this topic a little neutral. (I'm partially against it)

I don't know what to add that hasn't already been said. Everyone is talking about how we are entering the fourth industrial revolution, and just as there were the Luddites in the first industrial revolution, today we have a lot of people who are struggling because of the large number of jobs affected. To mention a few potentially at risk:

Artists / Cartoonists
Graphic designers
3D designers
Musicians
Programmers
Movie actors

Then there are others that have been on the verge of disappearing for some time:
Translators
Dubbers
Transcribers
Freelance photographers

Like everyone, on the one hand I am amazed to see the technological progress, but I am also afraid of all the uncertainty that many people will lose their jobs or that some AI model will reach the "singularity" and a calamity will occur

AI will not take away people’s job;
People able to use AI at their job will take away people who don’t.

I'm not *fully* against it. I think it could be a very valuable tools for creators and a nice shiny toy for the average person.

They really need to make some laws around this though.

Based on OP's post, I think they're specifically talking about AI art rather than general AI?

AI has made more and more human artists lost their revenue, and will continue doing so. Especially if AI art keeps getting smarter.

More simple creative works created by cheap, amateur artists will eventually be gone. It's much easier and cheaper to train AI instead.

AI support tools are convenient, cheap, and fast. Which means that artists don't need to get paid so expensively in the future. Definitely a logic that buyers will use to spend less money.

Being a master drawer is not as lucrative as before; too time-and-energy-consuming. People can easily copy their hard-earned style using AI for their personal use.

Personal touches, which one would create when developing their artistic skills, will not be as diverse as before. AI would give new artists "templates" of good and popular art styles.

It's sucks for old artists who has spent lots and lots of time and effort mastering their art.

I largely agree. However I will add 2 points
- AI arts so far are still not as easy to ‘control’ how things got painted, for example, it requires things like control-net and/or module for regional prompts. The “arts” of actually drawing or painting is replaced by the “arts” of using these tools effectively. I don’t know how things will evolve into eventually, but I do suspect it will still require human to “prompt engineer” it, just the effectiveness will improve drastically. The root cause I think it’s because the seed’s randomness is both a blessing and a curse.
- with AI arts flooded nowadays and soon we will be depleting the source material for training. People already use AI arts to train themselves, interestingly some research points out that using un-reinforced AI arts training, it eventually will cause the quality of AI devolves. Even with reinforced training, it is still restricted to the styles and objects they learn. It does excellent job in mix and match, but it still cannot create new things out of thin air. I think the cause of this might be due to how human develop their art style, through their own natural talent and personality, upbringing, experiences in education and life, which are pretty hard to emulate….

Based on OP's post, I think they're specifically talking about AI art rather than general AI?

AI has made more and more human artists lost their revenue, and will continue doing so. Especially if AI art keeps getting smarter.

More simple creative works created by cheap, amateur artists will eventually be gone. It's much easier and cheaper to train AI instead.

AI support tools are convenient, cheap, and fast. Which means that artists don't need to get paid so expensively in the future. Definitely a logic that buyers will use to spend less money.

Being a master drawer is not as lucrative as before; too time-and-energy-consuming. People can easily copy their hard-earned style using AI for their personal use.

Personal touches, which one would create when developing their artistic skills, will not be as diverse as before. AI would give new artists "templates" of good and popular art styles.

It's sucks for old artists who has spent lots and lots of time and effort mastering their art.

honestly, as long as the people behind it aren't using AI for stealing others' works, or creating illegal content, i might have sympathy for it. But well, it's hard to say if i ever have any sympathy towards those AI users at this point.

For me, I like the convenience of AI being able to quickly draw pictures of my favorite characters,but at the same time, I am also afraid that the pressure from AI will make some of my favorite artists reduce or stop creating.

For me, I like the convenience of AI being able to quickly draw pictures of my favorite characters,but at the same time, I am also afraid that the pressure from AI will make some of my favorite artists reduce or stop creating.

The best way to prevent hurting those artists is not to post images generated in their style.
Im also trying to make Doujinshis using AI, nowadays Stable Diffusion has way better performance than past years. Drawing only by hand is actually an engineering area skill. For most people, AI is a good tool to make own imagination into actual images.

This post has been edited by saibachu: Feb 8 2025, 13:35

AI is a great tool if used responsibly and thoughtfully. I use it for a lot of tedious work and research. It can also help a lot with creative blocks.

See from human manual making thing into factory inevitable kick many people out of job in the end + human greed, I didn't see it will end up in a good way especially for normie.

Even we have factory/automatic system, many thing that should make us more freely didn't come. So I think the same with AI except we can change AI into kind, free, reasonable and acceptable sentient that help one who should without someone control.

And about AI art. only 2 kind I agree is Emergency helper/teaching+guiding type and Archive type.

Edit::: If this too serious, please tell me

This post has been edited by falenheaen: Feb 11 2025, 17:08

they are fine, just a new tool, people need to learn how to use it and how to deal with it, it needs time

AI will not take away people’s job;
People able to use AI at their job will take away people who don’t.

lmao
there are probably hundreds of millions of people in the developed world whose job it is to read emails, summarize information into powerpoints and attend meetings.

"AI" will make 99% of them obsolete, and creating a few thousand jobs for the ones who create and maintain that AI will not even make a dent in the unemployment.

Managers use it to try and avoid doing their already do-nothing job, but when the rubber meets the road and deadlines hit, their attempt to blame engineers at best leads to mass resignations but more often leads to crippling product stagnation. I've seen it happen and heard it happen a staggering amount of times considering how recent the technology is. They thought their job was saying bullshit, but in reality it was listening to bullshit.

Honestly, the primary use-case for current-capability AI is copyright infringement. Which is great because copyright laws are archaic.

Being "for" or "against" is something people are used to from older technologies, like TV, which lasted for decades in largely unchanged form. But AI changes much faster, in 3 years things will be radically different. Many speculate how it will be used in the future as if it won't improve at all, or only incrementally.

Right now, however, people who use and enthusiastically shill generative AI are the kind of people that don't mind utter slop, be it "artists", writers, or programmers. When it comes to visual art, there are easy ways to spend a bit of effort and make its output more consistent, or do something creative with it, or at least touch up outputs with a human hand, but almost nobody even tries. They're satisfied with 3/10 work. When it comes to writing or programming that's impossible, the artistic value is zero, so you have to rely on its other merits. If it improves or replaces your work, you were doing the bare minimum (at best).

AI is very useful, including the recently released Grok3, which has surprisingly impressive capabilities. I think OpenAI should go out of business.

lmao
there are probably hundreds of millions of people in the developed world whose job it is to read emails, summarize information into powerpoints and attend meetings.

"AI" will make 99% of them obsolete, and creating a few thousand jobs for the ones who create and maintain that AI will not even make a dent in the unemployment.

the job you are referring to are office admins or assistants. It’s true they will largely be replaced by AI and automation.

I can see from my original posts why this won’t apply because I was more referring to creative jobs such as artists or creative writings…

However, you raised an interesting point, some jobs will just disappear because their cost don’t justify their utilities.

There's already a race to the bottom when it comes to man made cgi vs things like building a movie set or painting an anime background.
AI will just make that trend even worse.

It's good because it cuts out a lot of useless work.
People would argue that it's causing job loss, but they replace inane labor to allow human resources be used on actually productive ventures.

the job you are referring to are office admins or assistants. It’s true they will largely be replaced by AI and automation.

I can see from my original posts why this won’t apply because I was more referring to creative jobs such as artists or creative writings…

However, you raised an interesting point, some jobs will just disappear because their cost don’t justify their utilities.

I mean, if you broaden the scope a little bit, a LOT of jobs fall under that category. People who pass on information, without actually impacting anything in the physical world.

The manual labor jobs will be the last to go.