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Feb 3 2011, 01:24
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grumpymal
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QUOTE(cmdct @ Feb 2 2011, 14:26)  At first glance it appears so: CODE Weapon Damage Type Slashing Attack Damage Multiplier + 5.36 % Attack Accuracy Bonus + 19.63 % Magic Accuracy Bonus + 7.14 % Parry Chance + 6.06 % Burden + 6.39 Interference + 6.45 Primary Attribute Bonuses Agility + 0.23 Level 45 / Slot: 1handed / Type: One-handed weapon CODE Weapon Damage Type Slashing Attack Damage Multiplier + 5.43 % Attack Accuracy Bonus + 19.65 % Magic Accuracy Bonus + 7.14 % Parry Chance + 6.08 % Burden + 6.40 Interference + 6.47 Primary Attribute Bonuses Agility + 0.23 Level 47 / Slot: 1handed / Type: One-handed weapon CODE Level: 45 -> 47 Attack Damage Multiplier: 5.43 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 19.65 Magic Accuracy Bonus: 7.15 Parry Chance: 6.09 Burden: 6.41 Interference: 6.47 AGI: 0.24 Your range is too small to use as conclusive evidence. It is expected for there to be minor errors due to rounding, so that's irrelevant. I've asked Tenboro if what he changed was the scaling factor. If he has, then hopefully he'll tell us what it is, or we'll have to figure out the new one by posting high-level equipment and getting low-levels to post what they get.
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Feb 3 2011, 10:59
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buktore
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Fair Scythe of SlaughterIf it get 1 more turn at LV.50, I might seriously LVling it... might worth it just for shit and giggles
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Feb 3 2011, 12:35
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vean
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Average gossamer robe of the demon-fiend Just pick this from bazzar. 3.25 base evade is just good for a 3KC robe^^ I think base prof 4.28 is mid range for a robe? Just find my elementalist/heaven-sent robe dones't have this base prof...they are all 3.98 base= = Now I've meet these base profs... 3.08 3.67 3.98 4.28 4.59 ---Wall of untouchable--- Conquest101's pants on sale at WTS board base 6.57 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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Feb 3 2011, 12:47
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(vean @ Feb 3 2011, 02:35)  Average gossamer robe of the demon-fiend Just pick this from bazzar. 3.25 base evade is just good for a 3KC robe^^ I think base prof 4.28 is mid range for a robe? Just find my elementalist/heaven-sent robe dones't have this base prof...they are all 3.98 base= = Now I've meet these base profs... 3.08 3.67 3.98 4.28 4.59 ---Wall of untouchable--- Conquest101's pants on sale at WTS board base 6.57 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Base stats aren't as useful for Prof. as for evade, since the numbers are all weird. However, highest base robe is 7.34. 4.28 is very low range for robes. 25 Prof at 250.
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Feb 3 2011, 12:55
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vean
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Feb 3 2011, 12:47)  Base stats aren't as useful for Prof. as for evade, since the numbers are all weird. However, highest base robe is 7.34. 4.28 is very low range for robes. 25 Prof at 250.
7.34= = What's the meaning of "numbers are all weird"? 2 robes with same base prof/evade will have different real profs at high level? If we shouldn't use the base prof, which number should be care about? just scale it to lv 200 or 300?
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Feb 3 2011, 13:05
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Conquest101
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QUOTE(vean @ Feb 3 2011, 02:55)  7.34= =
What's the meaning of "numbers are all weird"? 2 robes with same base prof/evade will have different real profs at high level?
If we shouldn't use the base prof, which number should be care about? just scale it to lv 200 or 300?
Well evade falls in very easily comparable increments, 6, 5.5, 5. Most other stats don't do so and scale up much quicker as well, rendering the base numbers somewhat meaningless. Common practice has been to scale it to 250 (or some people do 300).
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Feb 3 2011, 20:24
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Sushilicious
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QUOTE(Conquest101 @ Feb 3 2011, 05:05)  Common practice has been to scale it to 250 (or some people do 300).
I might switch to scaling to level 300 soon, scaling to 250 is going out of fashion. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 4 2011, 06:42
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Razorflame
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From now on, anyone that gets me any Bronze-trimmed/adorned/tipped items out of the Bazaar will get 500C above Bazaar price.
Any silver-trimmed/adorned/tipped pieces will get 800C above the Bazaar price.
Any other trimmed/adorned/tipped pieces gold or higher will get 2000C above Bazaar price.
This means if you purchase a bronze-trimmed/adorned/tipped piece from the bazaar for 500C, you'll be paid 1000C.
If you purchase a silver-trimmed/tipped/adorned piece from the bazaar for 800C, you'll get 1600C.
If you purchase a Gold/Platinum/anything else trimmed, adorned, or tipped piece from the Bazaar for 1000C, you'll get 3000C.
Thanks, Razorflame
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Feb 4 2011, 06:57
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dkplee
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Yep, thanks for changing the rules (yet again) right after I just sent you an item. Not bothering next time.
In fact, just a warning to anyone attempting to deal with Razorflame via PMs. The guy loves making last minute price hikes. This is like the 3rd time he's pulled the same thing on me, so I'm never trading with him again. Anyone else, I suggest you do so publicly, so if he has to pull any more bs, at least it's all out in the open.
This post has been edited by dkplee: Feb 4 2011, 06:59
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Feb 4 2011, 07:11
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Razorflame
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QUOTE(dkplee @ Feb 3 2011, 22:57)  Yep, thanks for changing the rules (yet again) right after I just sent you an item. Not bothering next time.
In fact, just a warning to anyone attempting to deal with Razorflame via PMs. The guy loves making last minute price hikes. This is like the 3rd time he's pulled the same thing on me, so I'm never trading with him again. Anyone else, I suggest you do so publicly, so if he has to pull any more bs, at least it's all out in the open.
Just to let everyone know, I did not pull a fast one on dkplee. I sent him the full 2k+535 amount he requested and told him that these changes will go into effect the next time we trade. I did not do this because of the fact that he just sent me an item. I did it because I needed to scale back the bounty because of the volume of items I was receiving. It had nothing to do with dkplee himself, but more everyone trading with me. Hope this clears any doubts others have about me.
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Feb 4 2011, 07:26
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dkplee
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There won't be a next trade, I think I already made my thoughts quite clear on your trade ethics. The fact you even attempt crap like this is enough reason for me.
Like I said you already tried this three times, but you realize we only did ever attempt three trades, you never fail to try to edge out a little more profit, and frankly I'm tired of it. Not to mention I've seen you pulling shit like canceling your auctions because there weren't enough bids, which is pretty bullshit, even if I was never bidding on them.
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Feb 4 2011, 07:33
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Razorflame
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QUOTE(dkplee @ Feb 3 2011, 23:26)  There won't be a next trade, I think I already made my thoughts quite clear on your trade ethics. The fact you even attempt crap like this is enough reason for me.
Like I said you already tried this three times, but you realize we only did ever attempt three trades, you never fail to try to edge out a little more profit, and frankly I'm tired of it. Not to mention I've seen you pulling shit like canceling your auctions because there weren't enough bids, which is pretty bullshit, even if I was never bidding on them.
I canceled my last auction because of lack of interest, which is completely different from not enough bids. And others were quick to point out my mistake, which is why I reopened the auction about an hour later. Second, I sent you the full amount you requested, so why do you even care if I made the changes to the bounty for these items or not? I made these changes before you even sent me that item, and not because you sent me the item. As I explained above, I changed them because of the amount of Bronze and Silver-trimmed/tipped/adorned equips I've been getting lately. However, if you would rather me do my business publicly, I'd be more than happy to do so to show you that I have made many legitimate trades in my life and that just because there are a few bad apples in the bunch doesn't mean that I'm a bad person to trade with. In fact, I'm going to do ALL my future business in this matter publicly so that others can see that I am a good person to trade with.
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Feb 4 2011, 07:34
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Golden Sun
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QUOTE Like I said you already tried this three times, but you realize we only did ever attempt three trades, you never fail to try to edge out a little more profit, and frankly I'm tired of it. Not to mention I've seen you pulling shit like canceling your auctions because there weren't enough bids, which is pretty bullshit, even if I was never bidding on them. No one likes it when people change bids or cancels their auctions, but dude, he's basically giving away credits for other people buying worthless pieces of junk.
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Feb 4 2011, 07:36
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dkplee
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QUOTE(Golden Sun @ Feb 3 2011, 21:34)  No one likes it when people change bids or cancels their auctions, but dude, he's basically giving away credits for other people buying worthless pieces of junk.
Which is fine and dandy, except I still don't want to deal with whatever crap he's come up with for each trade.
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Feb 4 2011, 07:46
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vean
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Don't be so angry, buddy. It seems Razorflame is the only pre-nerf collector who want to spent credits on them. So he have the right to change the bonuty at any time. We can't selling these to Razorflame and become a rich guy, right? Just think it's a helpful hands to other collectors. I've just picked 6 bronzed-trimmed from bazaar and sell them to Razorflame under the new rule, my 12000G bonuty become to 3000G. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Lucky and unlucky helpful hands...sigh
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Feb 4 2011, 07:48
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Razorflame
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QUOTE(dkplee @ Feb 3 2011, 23:36)  Which is fine and dandy, except I still don't want to deal with whatever crap he's come up with for each trade.
I didn't pull any crap in our last trade because I decided to give you a break and give you the full amount as you requested. I only mentioned that I changed my bounty because I had posted this message. While I did want to only pay 1,035C for the piece you sent me, I decided to give you 2,535C for the amount you requested. If you would rather trade with me publicly, I've already set up a thread in the WTB section in which you can post any items you get, and you'll get the full amount you ask for every time, just to prove to you that I don't pull shit in every trade. In fact, you could probably ask nearly anyone on here if I pull shit in trades, and all of them would say that I haven't pulled shit on them in PM trades. Sure, I used to have commitment issues in auctions, but I've corrected that behavior as well. I recently bid 255k for Fine Phase Pants of Surtr on Conquest101's auction, and while my payment was late (which it was due to personal issues in real life), I still paid the full amount. You could also ask hyl, who would say that I've paid the full amount for everything I bought from his/her auctions. It seems that you might be the only one that thinks I'm trying to pull a fast one on you when that just isn't the case at all. I just decided at the wrong time to make changes to the way I do things with these metal-trimmed objects. If you still object to the way I trade, that's fine, but don't blow this out of proportion or make something private public in the future.
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Feb 4 2011, 08:35
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dkplee
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Nuh uh, don't try to claim I pulled anything out of proportion here. Everything that transpired here is a direct result of your trade ethics. I'm only here to make a point, and I have already done so.
I'm not here to request you to do anything. How you conduct your business is your own goddamn business after all. I made one snide remark about trading publicly, but you totally deserved at least one cheap-shot. I also don't care that you make legitimate trades with others. Listing examples of successful trades in the past is great and all.
But again. Not. My. Business.
I only know from my own experiences, and that's 3 out of 3 trades where you tried to change the pricing at my expense. That's 100%. It's a pretty big number. And don't try to claim you didn't pull a stunt this trade. I sent you the moogle-mail, you immediately post your new rules, then you try to pass it off like you already changed the rules. Just no.
Whatever. I'm not here to tarnish your credibility. I'm not gonna derail your future trades either. I'm only telling you I'm never trading with you again. Why do you care? You got plenty of others to trade with. How you decide to trade with them isn't my business. We just stop talking to each other and life goes on.
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Feb 4 2011, 08:38
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Razorflame
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I did not immediately change my pricing for metal-trimmed objects. I did so after I saw two other people's PMs in my inbox. I didn't even see your MoogleMail until after I posted this here.
Furthermore, you stated in a PM that you would not trade with me any longer. That should've been it. There was absolutely no need to post anything in this thread about the topic. It was off-topic and has pulled this entire thread off-topic, all because of a misunderstanding between us.
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Feb 4 2011, 08:47
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dkplee
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Frankly, I don't want to even continue this discussion, but the way you've repeatedly attempted this shit, you deserved the publicity.
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