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what a bleeder (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Weapon Damage Type Slashing
Attack Damage Multiplier + 26.22 %
Attack Accuracy Bonus + 24.17 %
Attack Critical Bonus + 5.21 %
Burden + 22.93
Interference + 13.41

Primary Attribute Bonuses
Strength + 6.55 Dexterity + 2.02
Agility + 3.02

Hit Proc: 19% chance for Bleeding Wound
Duration: 4 turns / Damage: 255 per tick

Level 158 / Slot: Katana / Type: Two-handed weapon

I can't believe it! Why's this child abandoned...? Who on earth could have done this?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Superior Prism Wakizashi of Balance

This must be a deliberated act, the gear's ID is 374579 which mean it's pretty old, someone must have hold on to it for sometimes before decided to commit this atrocity. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

the high proc chance might be a reason, but the rest of the stats are quite good.

This post has been edited by hyl: Nov 29 2010, 23:16

i also see that , but at some point it vanished from my shop, dunno why

i meant the wakizashi, not the katana.

I can't believe it! Why's this child abandoned...? Who on earth could have done this?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Superior Prism Wakizashi of Balance

This must be a deliberated act, the gear's ID is 374579 which mean it's pretty old, someone must have hold on to it for sometimes before decided to commit this atrocity. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

First it's not that special. Second that someone just hold it until he/she got a better Waki, that's all.

i meant the wakizashi, not the katana.

nono i was talkin about the waki (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
i had reported both but the waki vanished


This post has been edited by tribalspirit: Nov 29 2010, 23:34

double post, dammit quote
need a way to cancel messages

This post has been edited by tribalspirit: Nov 29 2010, 23:33

If anyone go to page 5 of this thread, you will see this post I made 2 months ago..

I wonder who throw this thing away; It's look pretty good to me... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Fine Prism Wakizashi of Balance

Deja vu?

Actually, the Superior Waki is actually older than the Fine one! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I don't get it... Do Nimble Waki really that good to the point of throw this thing out like a junk? that can't be.. Even if this were the case.. most people will keep it anyway since throw it in bazaar gain you very little credits; It's just not worth it...

And if paired this thing with a Slaughter Katana, it's so fucking good! So why anyone would want to throw it out..? I'm at lost here...

i had reported both but the waki vanished

It took me less than 1 second after I saw it to decided whatever I should grab it or not. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

@ cmdct

What would be a better Waki?

There's Nimble Waki, the difference in Parry at MAXIMUM would be 4%-5% but lower ACC and Crit Bonus which I think is important to Niten, especially if using Slaughter Katana. It's "different" but not "better" if you ask me.

Perhaps you mean a same type of Waki but better stat? It will be hard to find such thing.. even so, that's no reason to throw it to bazaar either. If it were you, will you throw it away for 1,500C ?

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 29 2010, 23:48

And if paired this thing with a Slaughter Katana, it's so fucking good!

If a Slaughter Wakizashi is paired with a Slaughter Katana it's so fucking better!

Let's imagine this thing has 22 ADM

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3a50e695de

and if I use it instead, I gain just 4% more ADM than the Balance one, you could argue that when LV increase it will improve, but there's still a penalty nevertheless.

according to the stat calculator, the slaughter wakizashi will get 29,05 adm at lvl 240 (compared to the nimble one that's lvl 240).

that's almost a 9% difference. If you bother leveling it , i think it's better than the nimble one.

This post has been edited by hyl: Nov 30 2010, 00:20

I just simplified thing out, here's what I meant

The Fine Balance Waki give me 12.85 ADM scaled my LV

The Slaughter Waki current ADM is 17.77

The difference is about 5% right?

But offhand Weapon ADM is reduced, more so in Niten (go read wiki for detail on these) so when I equip the Slaughter, I gain only 2% more ADM, not 5% (this is the "penalty" I'm talking about)

And since 17.77 ADM might not be uber enough as an example, I say let's pretend that its have 22% ADM instead... that means it's have 10% more ADM than my Balance Waki, but when equipped, it would reduced to 4% ADM ... trade with 4% Crit and 13.3% ACC.

Worth it? no definite answer here, choose whichever you like.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 30 2010, 00:39

I don't think the higher crit is better in this case , because a crit will force a proc. The bleed of the wakizashi is normally much lower than the katana and you will do lower damage overall.

and the +10-20% extra accuracy bonus is less effctive if you have a higher accuracy. At your level i estimate that your accuracy is 84, comparing the 35% hit waki with the 20% roughly mean an accuracy of 93,2% for the 35% and 91% for the 20%.

This post has been edited by hyl: Nov 30 2010, 01:03

Do you actually use Niten.. or even DW for that matter?

Your concept of how thing works is completely wrong.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 30 2010, 00:58

i used to from lvl 40-50 .

Let's imagine this thing has 22 ADM

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3a50e695de

and if I use it instead, I gain just 4% more ADM than the Balance one, you could argue that when LV increase it will improve, but there's still a penalty nevertheless.

Comparing a superior against a average piece when you have several important stats that's not a good idea to compare suffixes. Then you forgot the people that dumped that had higher level.


L240 200 2H/2W prof (offhand damage is reduced by 55%)
My Katana: ADM= 75.40%

Balance waki:
ADM = 25.13% = 13.82%
crit = 7.91%


My Slaughter waki:
ADM = 42.73% = 23.5%
crit = 4.80%

With HS I get 38% base crit, the Katana perhaps give around 5% so: 43% crit
(With this you can notice that the extra crit of the balance won't necessary let the katana make bleed the enemies better)

ACC and parry can be ignored because parry it's around the same for both suffixes, and the real difference of acc bonus is 0% since I have 100% hit chance with HS (observing my DW set, which both weapons have practical the same acc's of the katana/waki slaughter)

Now average damage: (let's say hits of 100 dmg, 0 overcharge)

Balance:
ADM=89.22%
crit = 50.91%

1.5*(89.22)*0.5022 + 89.22*0.4978= ~111.62

Slaugher:
ADM=100.33%
crit = 47.8%

1.5*(100.33)*0.478 + 100.33*0.522= ~124.30


@hyl:Off-hands don't crit.

@hyl:Off-hands don't crit.

i didn't mean that the off hand crits, but i have thought that i have read somewhere that a critical hit will force a proc and probably confused with that your off hand will also trigger by a crit as well. And if your off hand triggers, your current bleed could be overwritten by the wakizashi's . (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

This post has been edited by hyl: Nov 30 2010, 01:14

Arguing with you were always like special relativity, you talk from your frame of reference (HS, everything 200+), and I'm talk from my frame of reference, this will lead to nowhere... it isn't really a productive thing to do, IMO.

I do see your point, but I cannot agree with it with my current situations. Wait til I reach LV. 2xx (if that ever happen...) then we'll try this again, I will leave it here for now.

@ hyl

Yes, crit always make Mainhand to proc, but Offhand cannot crit, so it doesn't matter how much crit it's has. if both have the same proc type EX: bleed in both hand, Every time Mainhand proc, Offhand CANNOT proc.

This post has been edited by buktore: Nov 30 2010, 01:25

And if your off hand triggers, your current bleed could be overwritten by the wakizashi's . (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Only if the katana don't proc at the same turn.

Edit:

I do see your point, but I cannot agree with it with my current situations. Wait til I reach LV. 2xx (if that ever happen...) then we'll try this again, I will leave it here for now.

Listen buktore, of course every piece of equipment you choose to use, should be done in terms of what you currently can do. What my point was only to answer you this:

I can't believe it! Why's this child abandoned...? Who on earth could have done this?! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I don't get it... Do Nimble Waki really that good to the point of throw this thing out like a junk? that can't be.. Even if this were the case.. most people will keep it anyway since throw it in bazaar gain you very little credits; It's just not worth it...

Now to answer this below is very easy: It's probably a lurker who don't use the forums.

Perhaps you mean a same type of Waki but better stat? It will be hard to find such thing.. even so, that's no reason to throw it to bazaar either. If it were you, will you throw it away for 1,500C ?

This post has been edited by cmdct: Nov 30 2010, 01:29