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Two boxers failed to meet the strict IBA gender eligibility tests but were allowed to compete against women because France wanted to be the most stunning and brave Olympics.

After that shitty woke opening, I haven't been watching any of the Olympics. I only heard about it because I happened to see it on the news today. Boxer lady should've kicked the guy in the balls and dropped him to his knees.

Trump has always said during his rallies "I will keep men out of women's sports."

Having men beating up women in the Olympics is beyond low. No old school tranny would ever do that, they would just live peacefully in their apartment with houseplants and uplights and maybe a mini poodle or something. Just the loser alphabet soup rainbow radicals who are too weak to go up against other men compete against bio women thinking two strokes of eyeshadow and their tucked dong makes it OK.

[www.dailymail.co.uk] What is a DSD? The condition at the heart of the Olympic boxing controversy and the Imane Khelif bout

'Differences in sex development' is an umbrella term for 40-plus individual conditions which develop in the womb.

For example, a person can be born with female genitalia but have the XY chromosome combinate typical of males as well as internal hidden testicles.

They can give people unusual combinations of chromosomes and reproductive organs, which in the context, of sport can boost their performance.

For example, an athlete may be born with female anatomy but have a DSD which boosts her level of testosterone, a hormone critical to building muscle and strength.

While many DSDs are spotted at birth, some only come to light in puberty or as a result of a medical operations, test and even autopsies.

In some cases, athletes have only learned they have a DSD during pre-competition medical tests, which have led to them being disqualified and ending their dreams of representing their country.

One of the most famous examples of DSD in sport is that of South African runner Caster Semenya.

An Olympic gold medalist, Semenya has a DSD called 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, which means she has the male XY chromosomes and produces higher levels of testosterone than normal for women.

This DSD can occur in people with female reproductive anatomy and genitalia as in Semenya's case.

She has previously detailed how she has male, but internal, testes, and no uterus but does have a vagina.

Semenya, who dominated women's running events between 2009 and 2019, learnt at the same time as the rest of the world that she had a DSD.

She was controversially forced to take drugs like the contraceptive pill to lower her testosterone to align with new rules that limited the level of the hormone in women's events.

Semenya has previously shared how this gave her 'panic attacks', caused her severe stress and made her 'want to throw up every day'.

The subject of her DSD, and if she was discriminated against by sporting bodies, have been the subject of an extended legal battle.

...

Worldwide, up to 1.7 per cent of people have intersex traits — roughly the same proportion of the population who have red hair — according to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights.

Khelif's win-loss record is 9-5. Obviously the five women who beat her should be disqualified too, because they're even stronger than men.

That is interesting because in another time (say, in 1920) these people would likely have been allowed to compete without question. For most of human history, in fact, their gender and sex would not have been up for questioning unless they were trying and failing to bear children or similar. And even then without shrewd medical examination it may not have been discovered.

In that sense maybe it's entirely a modern problem that people have invented in order to justify transphobia which has now caused harm to "intersexed" (might be the wrong word) people as a secondary consequence.

Having men beating up women in the Olympics is beyond low. No old school tranny would ever do that, they would just live peacefully in their apartment with houseplants and uplights and maybe a mini poodle or something.

TBH I think most people (in general even) are like that.
But while i understand the genetic and physiological justification for it, I really think separating people based on something like weight class would actually apply much cleaner than sex segregation in many sports.This would likely mean that more women end up in the lower weight classes, but a woman (cis or not) who happens to have more muscle would be put in a higher weight class. And that would completely avoid the gender controversy, too, and let people in different weight classes still get some of the recognition they deserve. Naturally, there might be more men in the heavy weight sections and more women in the light weight ones, but since sex isn't being used as the separator it'd allow for a wider range of matchups between people at the top of their game since the overall pool would be larger.

This would still be messy for stuff like baseball and softball, where some players aren't sluggers, but are dependent on being really fucking fast for stealing bases and whatnot, or for throwing a really good knuckleball (a dying art). In those cases I would argue that there maybe should be no sex segregation or weight segregation enshrined in policy at all.
IDK, it just feels strange for things like baseball because there are certain positions in the major leagues (by which I mean the American League and National League) that I have a feeling even cisgender women could be good at. Not everyone needs to be a home run hitter, and there are times when being light on your feet can be a good thing.

For individual sports though, or things like football that heavily depend on sheer muscle, weight class might generally be a good rule of thumb that would naturally tend to keep things fairer, even if the heavier weight classes are mostly consisting of men. It'd allow for more objective criteria with less room for argument.

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Aug 3 2024, 04:21

From what I've read Imane Khelif has Swyer syndrome.

She's not trans.

She's just freaky like Brittney Griner.

I feel the need to point out that I don't care as I look at the Olympics as a gigantic waste of time, money and resources that could be put to much better use.

Cartoon completely ignores the fact that there are weight classes in boxing to try to make its strawman point.

The "most stunning and brave Olympics" has no trans women competing at all.

Individuals with genetic and developmental disorders that have higher testosterone aside, the weight classes in boxing are not everything. Even at the same weight, men will usually have physical advantages.

International Olympic Committee guidelines require transgender women to have transitioned before the age of 12 to be eligible for the women’s category, to prevent any potential biological advantage from male puberty.

I think that's from the old transphobic pre-2021 era guidelines?


[olympics.com] https://olympics.com/ioc/news/joint-paris-2...t-ioc-statement

Their current system is the IOC regulations and the professional association recognized by the IOC. IOC's own statement says its now 'the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport."

The issue is that IOC said that IBA changed its rules to be very strict in 2023 without consulting the IOC and so the IOC made their own temporary association.

The 2021 regulations say you can not discriminate against trans athletes based on gender identity, physical appearance or sex variations alone. Athletes should be allowed to compete in the category that best aligns with the self-determined gender identity.... unless the professional association or ruling body can prove that for their sport there is a disproportionate competitive advantage and it poses safety risks for competitors, which all may require testing, but IOC says you can not do specific testing just for one athlete or group of athletes.

Boxing is one of the few sports that has a huge amount of research showing that sex variations and being trans can have big impacts on performance AND safety of competitors. So the IBA declared stricter testing for elevated levels of natural and unnatural hormones etc and also the controversial requiring all athletes to do a genetic test for gender.

The IOC said genetic testing for gender discriminated against people and made the Paris Boxing Unit instead and that you can not use general medical journals / knowledge you need to have specific and non-discriminatory individualized evidence. IBA said individual genetic testing was individualized and all boxers had to do it.

The final issue was that, the IOC requires there is a appeals process. Whilst the IBA testing might have passed all the other regulations in the end, they failed to have a proper appeals process. IBA said you can't appeal genetic results if testing keeps showing the same results.

Trannies just want any reason to violate women's spaces and punch them in the head because they're misogynists.

Simple as.

From what I've read Imane Khelif has Swyer syndrome.

She's not trans.

She's just freaky like Brittney Griner.

I feel the need to point out that I don't care as I look at the Olympics as a gigantic waste of time, money and resources that could be put to much better use.

This. All of this.

Individuals with genetic and developmental disorders that have higher testosterone aside, the weight classes in boxing are not everything. Even at the same weight, men will usually have physical advantages.

where do you think the weight is coming from, if not muscle?

Also Michael Phelps:

• makes half as much lactic acid as most human athletes
• is double jointed in the ankles
• has a disproportionately long arm length
• has enormous lung capacity compared to most other swimmers, even

And he didn't get attacked by media for his genetic differences, he is seen as one of the greatest male swimmers ever.
This is about preserving some notion of what a woman is, not about actual "unfair genetic advantages."

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Aug 3 2024, 21:22

This. All of this.
where do you think the weight is coming from, if not muscle?

There are differences in bone density and structure, that give advantage to males in general in certain sports. For some sports you can argue that the difference between individuals is greater than the difference between genders, however for boxing in particular hip alignment, leg and arm length, height and bone density can give huge advantages.

In boxing and weight lifting, the higher density of myoblasts and satellite cells allows for better training based specificity for certain sports for males. In particular men can have up to 25-35% higher expression of MyHC-IIa genes which have a higher contractile velocity even weight for weight. Women also tend to have a higher % of type 1 muscle fibers overall, which whilst better for endurance weight for weight has lower power output.

Boxing where you have short rounds then rest then fight then rest etc, is optimized for males to display maximum power output and recovery.

In ancient unregulated MMA and underground fighting, where they had larger rings and no time limit, highly skilled women could win by evading for 40-50mins straight and wearing their male opponents out then getting a choke grapple. It was considered boring for audiences and TV though.

Also Michael Phelps:

• makes half as much lactic acid as most human athletes
• is double jointed in the ankles
• has a disproportionately long arm length
• has enormous lung capacity compared to most other swimmers, even

And he didn't get attacked by media for his genetic differences, he is seen as one of the greatest male swimmers ever.
This is about preserving some notion of what a woman is, not about actual "unfair genetic advantages."

Why did you think he had to do five times the regular drug testing and loads of movement studies etc? It was because he was going up against whatever the latest commie super soldier was. There were countries complaining.


Personally I believe we need way more trans women competing at the Olympics. There will be records broken all over place, it will be the most exciting women's events since the end of the soviet union.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Aug 4 2024, 01:47

i'll believe it when i see it.

i'll believe it when i see it.

There are so many studies weight for weight, that men are still stronger, if you are measuring 1rep max or muscle fiber twitch velocity. For long duration endurance its a different matter, but men also have higher response to ATP due to higher mitochondrial expression / division in certain muscle groups. So you'd need activities that can exhaust the ATP power system.

Even weight to weight isn't fair, you'd need to measure and control for lean body mass. At the same weight men and women have different lean body mass distributions, heavily favoring mean for upper body strength as the same weight.

The results of the present investigation indicate that significant differences in strength and power relative to body mass, lean body mass, and muscle thickness exist between male and female strength and power athletes. The present study also confirms that deep relationships exist between strength and power performance and muscle architecture in trained athletes. In particular, high correlations exist in both sexes between the muscle thickness of pectoral muscles and both bench press 1RM and power.

Bartolomei S, Grillone G, Di Michele R, Cortesi M. A Comparison between Male and Female Athletes in Relative Strength and Power Performances. J Funct Morphol Kinesiol. 2021 Feb 9;6(1):17

The women were approximately 52% and 66% as strong as the men in the upper and lower body respectively. The men were also stronger relative to lean body mass.

Miller, A.E.J., MacDougall, J.D., Tarnopolsky, M.A. and Sale, D.G., 1993. Gender differences in strength and muscle fiber characteristics. European journal of applied physiology and occupational physiology, 66, pp.254-262.


There even a crazy 70s study where they tried to control for age, gender and genetics by studying twins:

In the various functional tests the performance of females was from 61.1 to 84.6% of that in males; distribution of slow twitch fibres in m. vastus lateralis of the females (49.1 ± 7.7%) was lower (p<.05) than that of the males (55.9 ± 11.9); activities of enzymes Ca2+ stimulated ATPase, CPK, phosphorylase and LDH ± were higher (p <.05-.01) in the males, whereas the distribution pattern of LDH-1 isozyme was higher (p <05) in the females. A pronounced difference between the two groups was an almost 100% longer rise time of isometric force in females.

Komi, P.V. and Karlsson, J.J.A.P.S., 1978. Skeletal muscle fibre types, enzyme activities and physical performance in young males and females. Acta Physiologica Scandinavica, 103(2), pp.210-218.

I meant I'll believe that they'll break records left and right when I see it happen.
Brute strength is rarely everything. Even in high levels of athletics.

Also one of those studies is 50 years old.

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Aug 5 2024, 06:08

I meant I'll believe that they'll break records left and right when I see it happen.
Brute strength is rarely everything. Even in high levels of athletics.

Yeah it super depends. So far its very mixed. (depending on the sport) Say a male transitions to female and meets any hormone level requirements they can probably complete one level above their previous level. However they will start to lose part of the advantage unless they are extremely motivated and still continue to train as an elite athlete. Its about a 4 year process to compete at nationals, then international then Olympics and not many have been able to make it that far. Studies have shown with Testosterone suppression, you lose 5% lean body mass per year even with training. Lia Thomas's times are dropping by about 1-3% per year now, with world class training.



It seems the strategy a lot of the sporting associations are doing on the hush-hush is electing people from outside the western world to resolve the situation.

Boxing put a Russian in charge, unfortunately he was brain dead. If he had allowed a proper appeals process then and created an open category the two boxers would have remained banned from competing in the female category but he wanted to showboat and be homo for Putin.


For swimming they put an Muslim in charge of the federation, and now most trans and gender atypical individuals are relegated to the open category. By having the open category they can say they are inclusive of everyone.

Also one of those studies is 50 years old.

Sexual differences between genders were pretty stable for 300k years until Tumblr/Twitter/TikTok were born a decade ago.

At this point we're arranging furniture on the deck of the Titanic.

Maybe Olympics will be relevant in cold war 2. It feels like it jumped the shark 86 years ago.

Also one of those studies is 50 years old.

50 years is the blink of an eye to the entire lived history of humanity, but go off, I guess.

60 years ago DNA being a double helix was a new thing.
70 years ago we learned humans have 46 chromosomes.
100 years ago we thought we had learned how many chromosomes humans have. And we counted 24 (counted wrong).
120 years ago we discovered that chromosomes were distinct for sexes.
150 years ago DNA was a new thing.

All of this is a blink of the eye.
If you are trying to use "science" to frame your claims and then fall back on "all of human social history lol" you're conflating very different time scales.

This post has been edited by Moonlight Rambler: Aug 5 2024, 21:38

I'm using all of human history to debate instinct, dumbass.

The 2024 Paris Olympic Games closing ceremonies will be held Sunday, Aug. 11 and Tom Cruise is widely expected to perform a "Mission: Impossible"-style stunt

Cruise, who was photographed in London on Saturday and has attended this year's games, is expected to rappel from the top of Stade de France and land on the stadium field with an Olympic flag, according to TMZ.

The television broadcast will then cut to prerecorded footage of Cruise flying on an airplane with the Olympic flag, according to the outlet. Cruise will apparently skydive and land on the Hollywood sign.

Then he'll suck a guy off and finally come out of the closet.

Then he'll suck a guy off and finally come out of the closet.

The last LA Olympics was a shit show and that was when LA was actually still good, now LA is far worse...

2028 Olympics will be a dumpster fire...

Correction it already is. They have banned MAGA hats from the LA Olympics and already and are engaged in loads of other stupid arguments.

China wants to pre-emptively ban American's trans female athletes and US wants to pre-emptively ban China's tren'd out athletes.

2028 Olympics will be a dumpster fire...

Correction it already is. They have banned MAGA hats from the LA Olympics and already and are engaged in loads of other stupid arguments.

Yet pro-muzzie terrorist protesters can burn the American flag in our nation's capitol and no one does anything. The world is so fucked up and everyone's getting really sick of it. The entire world is a dumpster fire.