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I vote for Alternative 1 -"Kill it with fire". It quite simply does not belong here, and I'd be glad to see it gone. The other option is too subjective, and will, as others have pointed out, only lead to endless bickering. We have enough of that already.

Perhaps a return of the Real Porn (or Western Porn) category would be the solution. It would allow the RP haters to toggle it away, without losing the rest of the content of MISC. If it needs to be paired with another new category, I would suggest, as have others, Artbook. Currently, Artbooks are scattered over various categories, primarily NON-H.

It would also mean having the ability to reclass a gallery (unless there is one that I'm not aware of). I keep on finding real porn classified as image sets.

As for the subjective-ness of the quality, there are already some in place. Mixed galleries, camwhores, fat/old chicks, (pictures of penises), etc. are not allowed. Standards just need to be tightened to only professional high-quality images. This is really not subjective. If the photos have good lighting, lots of pixels, and models don't look trashy, I say keep it.

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Alternative 2

This post has been edited by Golden Sun: Jul 12 2010, 21:18

1 lurker vote for alternative 1 (or making a western porn categorie).

Alternative #1. Just get rid of it. I think real porn goes against the spirit of the site, and trying to restrict it based on subjective judgments of quality won't accomplish anything and will simply lead to a hopelessly complicated debate and litany of complaints.

While I'm fine with either option, I share the worries others have expressed about the second one having too many problem. Such a system would have to go through a lot of trial and error before it would be made right, if that's even possible. So I vote for option #1.

Alternative 1 would seem to be the best. I'm not a fan of how subjective the alternative would be.

A lot of folks are for 2 to be nice, but they don't realise how difficult it is to implement and sustain. I'm not a part of the Vigilante group, but I do nuke real porn whenever I come across it.

This is e-hentai, guys, not e-porn. Real stuff can be found elsewhere, stop eating up valuable space.

Also, let's nuke rewrites. Please. I appreciate the effort to put in use the really great h-manga and doujin that aren't translated yet, but most of you can't write crap. License, bribe, or nag a real group into translating it if you want it that bad.

I like Alt 2 if it is amended with the aforementioned addition for a Real Porn category. This allows people who don't like it to toggle it out, and those who do like it to still search for it.

Let me point out that I don't really care about real porn in this website since it's not the reason I visit this particular place in the first place. However I don't have a problem with it and I feel Alternative 2 is a reasonable one, after all you don't have to check out misc if you see it's real porn and can easily chose to ignore it.

I vote for Alternative 1.

Reasons:
1) it's easier to make it happen with mosre possibility to automate the process (for example, expunging all galleries with blonde, brunette tags in Misc). I hate the idea of having to go through that many Galleries by hand. People get bored with senseless tasks quickly, especially when those tasks can be automated,
2) It leaves less space for holy wars, ie. wtf did you consider my gallery low quality, it's the most beautiful one on the whole site.

Having said that, I like seeing real porn in such easy way so I hope someday someone licences the tech from Tenboro and sets up real porn site on the same engine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I also have to add that I see most of the people who actually do any expunging vote for #1, while most people voting on #2 never visited Vigilante subforum.

I vote for Alternative 1.

I don't want a double standard. Other material gets expelled as garbage based on the consensus of a group, even though it's not in violation of the rules. Why should real porn get special status?

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 13 2010, 00:37

I would prefer a trial period for 2. Start with a set of guidelines, if you have quality guidelines you can point them out to those who complain and tell them to stop uploading shitty porn. Make these guidelines clear. Option two includes uploading bans so someone continuously uploading bad porn will quickly find he can no longer upload period.

Those who think that voting for two will protect their galleries, it won't. If your galleries fall below the threshold, they are gone.

Those who say it's too hard, it's the same what was being done before but you actually have to look at the gallery. A little better organization would be required. Go for the ones already tagged with realporn first. As much as I hate to say it stop tagging old galleries as realporn using the tag as this gallery was checked. You weren't afraid of long and tedious but require you to look at the gallery and OMG! it's too hard.

If a new misc limit does become enacted, it will help stem the tide of incoming galleries. That will help as well.

If it fails, 1 is still available as a backup plan. However at this point I am leery of someone trying to sabotage any attempt at 2 trying to justify it with a belief that all real porn is crap to them. You still have the mixed and compilation reasons to get rid of a lot the real porn out there. If you're so desperate to rid of real porn, go after them first.

As I've said before, I vote for 2.

Or 1, if "Asian Porn" is also included...

Alternative 2

"Misc" real porn will still be allowed, but the existing quality rules will be tightened up and enforced more vigorously. Mixed galleries will still be banned, and a new expunge category will be introduced for "Low-quality real porn" - unlike Garbage, this expunge category will qualify for the automated abuse ban for galleries posted after the change is made.

As quality is subjective, some guidelines will obviously need to be established to quantity a RP gallery. Furthermore, the expunge system will likely be augmented with the ability to vote against an expunge.

The idea of being able to vote against an expunge is interesting, and it might have its uses outside of the real porn issue. If a gallery is being incorrectly expunged, it could not only reduce the expunge percentage but (assuming the comment shows up in a prominent alternative colour) also deter blind follow-up votes.

As for the rest though, well, good luck establishing those quality guidelines. If it can be done with no more than the usual amount of fighting, then this option might work.

Greetings everybody.

I really enjoy high quality real porn (Met-Art, Femjoy), but i do not think its worth all the trouble.

Then, i vote for Alternative 1.

My Regards.

I vote for option #2.

Believe it or not I do understand the anti-real porn groups reasons and concerns. I just didn't like the way they were

implementing their agenda. It felt very totalitarian to me.

I do find it annoying that some members will post "sample porn" galleries that consist of 10 or 15 pictures that can be

found at freeones or ask tiava. So I will concede a need for some type of controls.

I do like the idea of a Western Porn category that someone else mentioned.

I also would like to apologize to those who I may have insulted. I should have approached the subject in a mature

fashion instead of lashing out.

I vote for option 1. I'd prefer though to see simply an explicit ban of everything that is real porn from the site, without any subjective distinction.

I'd vote for Alternative 1.

It's much easier from an administrative side and more equitable. Plus the exceptions will still exist for cosplay and asian porn. (I'd vote Alternative 1 even if Asian porn was banned too).

To be honest I wouldn't mind if it was removed. Sometimes I come across a gallery that is entertaining and I look up on the net for more information about the person. I came across a porn star named Allie Sin in the gallery once and found out she was from my home town. But if it were to disappear from the site I wouldn't miss it.

At the same token if you're gonna do something like this then you might as well start looking at the other material of the site. A lot of people don't seem to like seeing real porn, but the same could be said for people not liking fetish stuff like futanari.

If I have to choose then I pick option 2 (Keep the real porn I think)

I vote for Alternative 1.

There are already a massive number of real porn sites on the internet and anyone looking for real porn can find a wealth of galleries on sites like imagefap. Duplicating the content on a hentai site seems to me to be both pointless and inconsistent with the theme of the site.

You won't see any misc gallery, if you disable misc in the config page.

That's simply not true because ridiculous numbers of Misc galleries get posted under Image Set. It's simply impossible to avoid the hideous Misc garbage.

This post has been edited by Frith: Jul 13 2010, 02:47