[X] My Assistant

I fail to understand why this was needed.
Was the old system bad or getting abused?

I fail to understand why this was needed.
Was the old system bad or getting abused?

It fixes several issues with the old system.

From a tag vig perspective, one of the most important benefits is that the change minimizes the possibility that an incorrect tag that has been killed off is later resurrected by casual taggers.

I fail to understand why this was needed.
Was the old system bad or getting abused?

I imagine that if 10bo actually did have the habit of doing unproductive tasks, he could find any number more fun than coding something that achieves nothing. You can safely assume that when an update is made, not counting only this one, it's for a reason.

The update mitigates and eliminates various abuse of system and issues of the old tagging system.

Most people that only upvote will rarely be effected so long as they are voting correctly to contribute to the community (and not just marking the gallery), while preventing filters from being affected by stray downvotes unbolding tags.

In the cases where a downvote is needed while lacking sufficient power to make the vote, they would generally need requesting in tag assist anyway when they are bolded, so that won't really change for those doing cleanup, while still making that cleanup easier.

An MP cap preventing difficult to kill tags being created requires a lock in to prevent easy unbolding without as large an MP buffer, and downvoting tags requires a lock in to prevent killed tags needing to be killed repeatedly until it can gain enough veto which happened regularly.

some oddity i noticed:
when i downvote a solid tag, that stays solid after my downvote, it jumps to top of the tags, even though the MP should have went down.
The sort order for Gallery Tags is by tag power in my settings.

It also seems to happen when i vote down a solid tag to a dashed border, then retract the downvote. The tag is boosted right up to the top of the tag order, even though the MP shouldn't have changed.

This is the particular gallery i tested it on, it should be visible in the logs.
https://e-hentai.org/g/2860364/d30fe838c1/

This post has been edited by -terry-: Mar 20 2024, 06:33

some oddity i noticed:
when i downvote a solid tag, that stays solid after my downvote, it jumps to top of the tags, even though the MP should have went down.
The sort order for Gallery Tags is by tag power in my settings.

It also seems to happen when i vote down a solid tag to a dashed border, then retract the downvote. The tag is boosted right up to the top of the tag order, even though the MP shouldn't have changed.

The reason this happens is that when old votes were converted to the new system, the power cap was 100. When you vote for a tag, it'll re-tally it and find that the current power is higher than 100, so it becomes the "highest-power" tag.

As some people suggested, I'll probably change it so that 100+ power tags are just sorted with the regular (alphabetical) order.

Edit: Should be changed now.

I'm having mixed feeling about this: I use the tag power order to check what I could possibly (dis)like. Now, given the cap I don't have that option, it's not something I'm happy with.

These days, tags on recent galleries don't really get much upvotes after they turn solid, so any ordering is likely based on the total MP after the last upvote, rather than how many people think the tag is valid.

Just to give you an example on a random gallery (votes made before the revision):

CODE

f:nakadashi (105)
+6
+12
+15
+21
+41
+10

m:nakadashi (135)
+15
+21
+41
+58

f:rape (138)
+81
+6
+51

Lol! I do exactly the same. Voting up the language or the artist tag is harmless enough if you're sure about the tag.
Besides, if the tag is already at 200 you won't influence it any more anyway.

Others have suggesting rating works that you've read. That does have the advantage of being visible in the gallery list.
But if I like something I'll bookmark it. That only leaves works I don't like. I'd rather not (negatively) influence the score of those works, just because they aren't my cup of tea...

The situation reminds me of [xkcd.com] this comic by XKCD... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Maybe having a way to mark works as read would be accepted as a feature request?

Like I said: rating is a way (and a good one) to mark stuff as "read". If you read it, you can rate it. If you don't want to rate it for whatever reason, then you can put it in a dedicated favourite named "viewed".

So this means that I (since i have 25 MP) can still cast a vote on a locked tag if I'm convinced it's wrong no matter who voted before, right?

I don't often do that, just wondering because there's a lot there for me to understand and it's going to take a little time to sink in)

So this means that I (since i have 25 MP) can still cast a vote on a locked tag if I'm convinced it's wrong no matter who voted before, right?

I don't often do that, just wondering because there's a lot there for me to understand and it's going to take a little time to sink in)

As long as it's not vetoed/enforced in either direction, yeah.

After the five-minute lock-in timer expires, a new "soft veto" and "soft enforce" mechanism now takes effect:
- If a tag is solid, you need at least half the mod power of the highest vote in favor of it to vote it down, capped to 25.
- If a tag is downed, you need at least half the mod power of the highest vote against it to vote it up, capped to 25.

Which one is is capped at 25, the mod power needed or the highest vote?

Which one is is capped at 25, the mod power needed or the highest vote?

The mod power required to vote. For example, the highest vote is +50 so it would require 25MP to negate the lock. If the highest vote is +60, it would still require 25MP to negate the lock.

The mod power required to vote. For example, the highest vote is +50 so it would require 25MP to negate the lock. If the highest vote is +60, it would still require 25MP to negate the lock.

Isn't mod power in general capped to 25?

Isn't mod power in general capped to 25?

The MP you can get from level, donations, forum activity, uploads/h@H, and account age is capped to 25, but you can get more added on top of that from awards and tagging performance. There are a good amount of people with over 25 MP.

- If a tag is downed, you need at least half the mod power of the highest vote against it to vote it up, capped to 25.

if my downvote is 20 MP (halved from 40), would they need need 20 or 10 MP to revive the tag?

if my downvote is 20 MP (halved from 40), would they need need 20 or 10 MP to revive the tag?

As I understand it, it would be 10MP since that's half the power of the downvote.

These days I only use tag to mark work I've read, mainly upvoting language or artist tag
what should I do now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

using rating or favourites

Still heartbroken we cannot upvote solid tags anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

- If a tag is downed, you need at least half the mod power of the highest vote against it to vote it up, capped to 25.

Curiosity, for example, if the only downvoter on a 10MP tag is a 50MP user, the necessary MP an upvoter would need for it is 5 (half of 10), not 25 (half of 50), right?

Curiosity, for example, if the only downvoter on a 10MP tag is a 50MP user, the necessary MP an upvoter would need for it is 5 (half of 10), not 25 (half of 50), right?

Downvotes aren't capped to the current power of the downvoted tag anymore, so if it's a downvote placed after the new logic went live, it would be 25 MP.

Like I said: rating is a way (and a good one) to mark stuff as "read". If you read it, you can rate it. If you don't want to rate it for whatever reason, then you can put it in a dedicated favourite named "viewed".

I agree that using tags to mark a gallery as read doesn't make any sense with the vote system. However, there is one use case where your advice doesn't work: mangashi. You rarely read a whole mangashi. You pick up any artist or fetish you like and ignore the rest. So, you have read one artist out of 10+. You can't vote the mangashi because you didn't read it entirely. What is left is to upvote the artist. That's what I have been doing cuz there is no other way. Now, it's gone and I will have no idea what I already read in any mangashi. Sad.

You could use favorites but it's super cumbersome and I use it as a wishlist anyway. I don't want to fill it with stuff I already read partially...

This post has been edited by Bulopu: Mar 29 2024, 19:07

I agree that using tags to mark a gallery as read doesn't make any sense with the vote system. However, there is one use case where your advice doesn't work: mangashi. You rarely read a whole mangashi. You pick up any artist or fetish you like and ignore the rest. So, you have read one artist out of 10+. You can't vote the mangashi because you didn't read it entirely. What is left is to upvote the artist. That's what I have been doing cuz there is no other way. Now, it's gone and I will have no idea what I already read in any mangashi. Sad.

You could use favorites but it's super cumbersome and I use it as a wishlist anyway. I don't want to fill it with stuff I already read partially...

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