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What's my power ?

For garbage, 5.

Damn packet loss, I was hoping to post before anyone mentioned me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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Think about why the garbage expunge power is only 50% of your regular power and why Tenboro did it (or speculate why he did it, whatever) for a moment. He may say "/don't care" but that might be more that he has more things to care about, like problems with the servers at the moment and he just wanted to acknowledge that he saw the thread.

While you say that all real porn lacks redeeming qualities, People of consistently come out of the wood works mentioning SOMETHING about real porn that they like, or a specific source (ie MetArt pops up a lot).

If you're going to quote "all or nothing" when referencing real porn on a hentai site, then asian porn should go as well, or keep everything. I don't care how anyone wants to justify it, but asian porn is JUST real porn with asians rather than some other racial group. Just being asian is too superficial of a reason to keep them if you're try to get rid of everything real porn in my opinion. Derp.

I'm not telling you to stop, I'm just telling you that your argument is full of holes. I personally will not be part of this blanket expunging, and not because I have MetArt galleries (I wouldn't care if they went poof because of a take down) but because the reasoning is shallow and pedantic.

This post has been edited by Spectre: Jul 1 2010, 00:24

Unless there is an official ban on real porn handed down by Tenboro himself, this is a very bad idea.

That is probably true.

Edit: Indeed I do not like the idea of a real porn tag, are the blonde, brunette, and redhead tags that cover over 99% of the real porn not enough for you.

No, they are not. They might cover everything, but they wouldn't tell me what people have started to expunge which would force me to check the thread.

If you're going to quote "all or nothing" when referencing real porn on a hentai site, then asian porn should go as well, or keep everything. I don't care how anyone wants to justify it, but asian porn is JUST real porn with asians rather than some other racial group. Just being asian is too superficial of a reason to keep them if you're try to get rid of everything real porn in my opinion. Derp.

I agree.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Jul 1 2010, 00:27

Fuck that shit. I was expunging for about 15 minutes and I kept getting 403s. The real porn is so widespread, it's in Asian, image sets, misc and cosplay. Do we really need a big cosplay tag ? Or asian porn ? I'd put cosplay on a par with maybe big breasts.

Conceptual Response
I'm happy de-selecting "misc" and calling it a day. The real problem is people still posting it under "image set" or some such.

Practical Response
I'm disappearing for a week and a half starting tomorrow, so my participation (or not) doesn't affect anything in the near future. If this thing still has momentum when I get back, I will more likely than not be willing to chip in my 10%.

Oh, and if Asian ends up on the hit list, please let me delete my couple galleries of that when I return rather than kicking them off.

Is that... revolution I feel in the air? I'd be willing to join this project.

One thing: We should ask active members with real porn galleries to delete them voluntarily. That would save us at least a little bit of work. I'll delete the few I have as soon as this gets going.

That's not the same thing. While I don't object to expunging galleries, deleting them is another matter. Deleted galleries don't show up when you search for expunged ones, and I like to be able to look at real porn once a month on the same site I use for all hentai (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I feel expunging them will decrease the numbers of them people upload, and that's a good thing (almost no one seaches for expunged galleries). But at the same time, removing all such galleries from public search isn't a good thing imo.

Exactly.

I like to be able to look at real porn once a month on the same site I use for all hentai (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This is a hentai site, not an everything for everyone site. All the real porn on this site is available elsewhere. People want it here because they don't want to pay for it.

edit: God damned double post.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Jul 1 2010, 01:19

This is a hentai site, not an everything for everyone site. All the real porn on this site is available elsewhere. People want it here because they don't want to pay for it.

Not really. I can find random nude crap anywhere, but if I know alot of good stuff is here, all the better.

The non-nude Asian stuff can go, too, as far as I'm concerned. That takes the porn out of it altogether. Since this is a Jap-based site I guess some Asian porn is acceptable, but personally, I'd like to get rid of that crap, too. Same with Cosplay. Most of those are non-nude but Jap-based so if it stays, I won't really object.

Our main concern right now is to get rid of the regular real porn that has nothing to do with this site, and yes, giving the people with real porn galleries time to get rid of them is fair. I'm not going to start expunging anything until everyone is informed and a proper thread for expunging them is made.

This post has been edited by Tenseigamoon: Jul 1 2010, 01:44

This is a hentai site, not an everything for everyone site. All the real porn on this site is available elsewhere. People want it here because they don't want to pay for it.

Not really. I can find random nude crap anywhere, but if I know alot of good stuff is here, all the better.

And you can find met-arts stuff on their website you cheap bastard.

I don't have any money, Boggy. Also, why trek my ass over there if it's already here ?

I don't have any money, Boggy. Also, why trek my ass over there if it's already here ?

Because that is a form of copyright violation that can't be justified by unavailability of the product which is one of the only valid ones.

Same with Cosplay. Most of those are non-nude but Jap-based so if it stays, I won't really object.

The only reason why I didn't mention cosplay in my all or nothing comment is that they tend to be related to anime or games, which is the reference material for most of the content of this site, but yeah the fact that they are often non-nude they should go too (since well, we've stopped allowing the posting of non-nude real porn and asian porn a while ago) if there is an "all or nothing" clause.

I still think the Conceptual Response by Panuru is the easiest solution to properly categorized real porn. You can't do much about galleries in the wrong place other than reclass them, and once they are reclassed the disappear for those that have it set.

@Boggy: no copyright violation can be justified by the lack of availability.

@Boggy: no copyright violation can be justified by the lack of availability.

That's probably true, but it is a better excuse then many, for, if there are no damages (I have a feeling that outside of Japan, the hentai on this site doesn't cause financial damage to the publishers), there is no civil crime.

A civil wrong is an offense against private interests, where depending on the entities in question may be under civil law or Commercial law, but both are usually used together when copyright is involved. There are always damages (regardless of how slight) when commercialized material is released for free without the consent of the publisher. where are you pulling this crap out of? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Spectre: Jul 1 2010, 02:36

That's not the same thing. While I don't object to expunging galleries, deleting them is another matter. Deleted galleries don't show up when you search for expunged ones, and I like to be able to look at real porn once a month on the same site I use for all hentai (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I feel expunging them will decrease the numbers of them people upload, and that's a good thing (almost no one seaches for expunged galleries). But at the same time, removing all such galleries from public search isn't a good thing imo.

Or it could just increase the number of them uploaded because they don't see all of the ones that were expunged or removed. These galleries would then be expunged under the unwritten conspiracy against real porn rule (can't expunge as dupes because they are not public/there and uploaders should only be expected to search against normally searchable galleries). Then these people would come crying about their upload bans and nobody can point them to an official rule justifying the expunges or the ban.


Boggy a real porn tag would not tell you if people have started an expunge petition or not. I could go through and tag every real porn gallery as such and as you can tell I don't support this in any way meaning there would be no petition despite having the tag.

The only good solutions are to turn off misc or deal with it. Want to limit it, convince Tenboro to lower the limit even more. Go for 1 new one for every 3, 4, 5, or more days instead of the present 2.

Or it could just increase the number of them uploaded because they don't see all of the ones that were expunged Then these people would come crying about their upload bans and nobody can point them to an official rule justifying the expunges or the ban.

I could point to this rule:

You agree that, upon uploading content to this site, the content you upload is either Public Domain, released under a Creative Commons-type license, or not copyrighted (i.e. it is within your rights to publish it here); or you own the copyright to the content and constent to it being fully published here; or you have a separate license from the copyright holder to make their content publicly available.

Boggy a real porn tag would not tell you if people have started an expunge petition or not. I could go through and tag every real porn gallery as such and as you can tell I don't support this in any way meaning there would be no petition despite having the tag.

It would if only people who were expunging it tagged it.

Or it could just increase the number of them uploaded because they don't see all of the ones that were expunged or removed. These galleries would then be expunged under the unwritten conspiracy against real porn rule (can't expunge as dupes because they are not public/there and uploaders should only be expected to search against normally searchable galleries). Then these people would come crying about their upload bans and nobody can point them to an official rule justifying the expunges or the ban.

There's no official rule because Tenboro won't make an official rule. And why he won't make an official rule against misc real porn being allowed here is a mystery because people have been complaining about it for the longest time.

It's created more problems than it's worth keeping it here so we have to do something about it. And Tenboro said he didn't care so he's putting it in our hands now because we're getting fed up with it.

I think if people who upload real porn see that it's being expunged as garbage then they'll eventually give up putting it here. And if it's their only source of GP income then maybe they'll want to think about donating to get GP and hath from the adopt-a-servers or maybe donate to get a star so they can get credits. It could actually be a good thing.