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I find real porn to be lacking relevance to the erotic theme of the website.

Note that the rule says erotic theme of the site. It in no way says hentai, that is a leap you are making on your own. To say it is lacking relevance to to the erotic theme of the site is to say you find no real porn erotic at all. The rule you are using as the basis of all this only states that there is an erotic theme to the site. Before your next argument, the name of the site being e-hentai is irrelevant. My screen name is Shadow Weaver, do you really think that I can actually weave shadows?

Also, if you really cared so much about what this community does maybe you should have chimed in sometime in the last ten days before this consensus was actually reached, and maybe, just maybe, with some actual reasons why you think that real porn should be on a hentai site rather than whining about bullying.

I'd hardly call your little band a consensus. There has already been many speakers against it as well as alternative measures suggested. Now there is a legitimate complaint by one of the affected parties. I wholly encourage him and any others affected to take their complaints directly to Tenboro.

Maybe. I would also attribute it to the money we have donated. That does more for the site than almost everything else which would seem to entitle those who have donated to some say in the site's future. (Obviously not enough to overrule Tenboro, but some in issues that he has failed to express an opinion like this.)

So if a couple of the catgirls were against this you would be completely overruled?

Is that what you see donating as?

No. I didn't donate to lay claim to a stake in the site. I donated back in the day when credits were almost impossible to get if you weren't an uploader. However, I would argue that my donation and the server slots I have adopted in the past shows I have more of a stake in the site than random lurkers who haven't donated, uploaded a gallery, or run H@H. Thus, my opinion should matter more than theirs.

theoretically a gallery that is popular enough so it receives enough ad traffic to generate $100 in ad revenue would be achieving almost the same thing as donating $100

There is a serious hole to this argument: Uploaders are not always inherently responsible for the gallery.
I'm not too familiar with where uploaders find their material, but I'm going to go on a limb and say they aren't always responsible for it. (I mean scanning it, translating it, or paying someone to translate it.)
Is a user who uploads something from a public site doing anything, in most cases, other than being the fastest person to do so? (Obviously, if it is something obscure, then they might have been the only one to find it, but that doesn't apply to super popular galleries)

So if a couple of the catgirls were against this you would be completely overruled?

If they can prove that they have donated more than every member supporting this move combined, then maybe (emphasis on maybe) we would be in my opinion. (Don't get them to come argue in support of it. bbgr and dlhmmr are active forum members and they haven't expressed an opinion. D-Glagglepotamus hasn't expressed anything other than what seems to be a very neutral opinion. Sonic and Cyriel are mods, so, they can assumed to be around even if they don't seem to be. That they didn't express an opinion seems to imply they don't care. That leaves you with niagatrats, Aeiro, and CmptrWz, none of whom have been on the forums in awhile)
But, then, thinking about it, I would ask them why they didn't just spend their money to subscribe to a real porn site. Doing that would have been a lot cheaper.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Jul 10 2010, 08:45

BLARG I KILLED MY OWN POST (hit CTRL+W instead of CTRL+ALT+W) ~ At least now everyone gets the tl;dr version because I am a total idiot. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

No. I didn't donate to lay claim to a stake in the site. I donated back in the day when credits were almost impossible to get if you weren't an uploader. However, I would argue that my donation and the server slots I have adopted in the past shows I have more of a stake in the site than random lurkers who haven't donated, uploaded a gallery, or run H@H. Thus, my opinion should matter more than theirs.

Funny, when I donated back in the day it was because I had some spare cash and just wanted to donate, before credits were really important (the silver -> gold donations were nice though, paid for auras that let me access portions of the main site BEFORE the user galleries were popular. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

There is a serious hole to this argument: Uploaders are not always inherently responsible for the gallery.
I'm not too familiar with where uploaders find their material, but I'm going to go on a limb and say they aren't always responsible for it. (I mean scanning it, translating it, or paying someone to translate it.)
Is a user who uploads something from a public site doing anything, in most cases, other than being the fastest person to do so? (Obviously, if it is something obscure, then they might have been the only one to find it, but that doesn't apply to super popular galleries)

You are absolutely right in that most users are not responsible for generating their content (making, scanning, or commissioning). That was how it was when the user galleries first started, and that is how it is now. However my point/argument is not about the user or what the material is, but how that gallery or collection of galleries function as income generators by proxy. The uploaders contribute by making the material available here, and the lurkers at large contribute by being the targets for that generated ad income.

But, then, thinking about it, I would ask them why they didn't just spend their money to subscribe to a real porn site. Doing that would have been a lot cheaper.

Maybe they came to play Hentaiverse, which would explain donating for quick credits, running/buying H@H servers for hath, and taking advantage of the catgirl aura for its exp bonus. Or maybe they thought what others have mentioned in this thread; that having many things in one place was nice to have. Without them telling us why, it is all speculation. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


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Bleh too tired to actually try to rewrite this thing, hopefully most of my points were rewritten.

This post has been edited by Spectre: Jul 10 2010, 10:39

And yet we also happen to represent a significant amount of money donated to the site.
Quick Accounting:
Tens- 1,000
Blade- 100
Plox- 100
Red_Piotrus- 100
Myself- 100

Donate $1,400, then your opinion can be taken into account.

As sad as it might be, we absolutely depend on advertisers in order to cover the costs of running this place - donations are no way near enough. The hosting costs for 2009 were somewhere in the area of $46k, donations were less than half that.

Food for thought.

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 10 2010, 11:32

All you are gona do with this, is show, that you are not willing to harmonize, or look for solutions, but rather are after dominating others. So that what you want, comes to pass.

You will piss people off, that uppload and browse those galleries.

Ignoring ppl, cause you don´t like what they say, just shows that more.

For every gallery you expunge, you increase the willingness off ppl, to retalliate, cause you rob them of their toys.
If the worst comes to part, they will start expunge Mangas and stuff.
Then we have nothing to watch anymore. (exept expunged stuff)

As long as Tenboro, is not backing this, it will lead to chaos.
And all he said was : i don´t care.

Please rethink your actions.

All you are gona do with this, is show, that you are not willing to harmonize, or look for solutions, but rather are after dominating others. So that what you want, comes to pass.

You will piss people off, that uppload and browse those galleries.

Ignoring ppl, cause you don´t like what they say, just shows that more.

For every gallery you expunge, you increase the willingness off ppl, to retalliate, cause you rob them of their toys.
If the worst comes to part, they will start expunge Mangas and stuff.
Then we have nothing to watch anymore. (exept expunged stuff)

As long as Tenboro, is not backing this, it will lead to chaos.
And all he said was : i don´t care.

Please rethink your actions.

Why don't you try thinking about your actions before typing something like this tripe.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm tired of logging onto the galleries and having to sort through all this real porn crap. It's annoying and it makes it harder to find things, especially if I'm not looking for anything specific. On the rare times I go looking for 3D porn, I have to sort through loads of pointless real porn gallery. They have plenty of specialty sites just for that. The main focus of the galleries should be the hentai and perhaps the western and other drawn content. Sure, some people come here and view the real porn, but there are other places where you can find that stuff. A lot of the hentai stuff can be extremely difficult to find, and it typically isn't all organized in one site for easy viewing like here.

The draw for me to this site was the hentai, and I'm betting it was for most of other users. All the real porn does is serve as a distraction and makes finding things harder. I like real porn too, but there are better resources out there for that shit. Whereas this is one of the better resources for hentai. I don't need an okay selection of real porn clogging up one of my most reliable sources for hentai/doujin/mangas and the like.

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 10 2010, 12:20

For the record, since people have been speculating and drawing unwarranted conclusions about my intentions, here are my thoughts of the matter, and the reasons why I haven't moved to block what's going on.

In the case of real porn, considering that's not actually what we do, the question that has been raised is if it's more of a liability than a gain. If the rules were actually followed, and that all that was posted was in fact HIGH QUALITY, there wouldn't be a problem. But as it is, we have a formidable DELUGE of utter garbage in the form of poor-quality images, ugly people, soft-core crap and other dime-a-dozen unremarkable galleries that generate little interest and consume an unwarranted amount of resources both in the form of hardware and Vigilante time.

SOME real porn galleries actually have merit. But as people seem to be unable to self-moderate and pick just the top tier stuff, there is a huge amount of time sunk into digging through the garbage in order to get to the good pieces. Personally I'd like to see the good stuff remain, as per the current rules, but when it's buried between ten tons of crap, that borders on infeasible.

If the worst comes to part, they will start expunge Mangas and stuff.

So I kill off their power, and the expunges are undone automatically. Problem solved.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Good morning Tenboro. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

For the record, since people have been speculating and drawing unwarranted conclusions about my intentions, here are my thoughts of the matter, and the reasons why I haven't moved to block what's going on.

In the case of real porn, considering that's not actually what we do, the question that has been raised is if it's more of a liability than a gain. If the rules were actually followed, and that all that was posted was in fact HIGH QUALITY, there wouldn't be a problem. But as it is, we have a formidable DELUGE of utter garbage in the form of poor-quality images, ugly people, soft-core crap and other dime-a-dozen unremarkable galleries that generate little interest and consume an unwarranted amount of resources both in the form of hardware and Vigilante time.

SOME real porn galleries actually have merit. But as people seem to be unable to self-moderate and pick just the top tier stuff, there is a huge amount of time sunk into digging through the garbage in order to get to the good pieces. Personally I'd like to see the good stuff remain, as per the current rules, but when it's buried between ten tons of crap, that borders on infeasible.
So I kill off their power, and the expunges are undone automatically. Problem solved.

Thank you for being more thorough in your explanation.

SOME real porn galleries actually have merit.

Yeah, although I gladly helped with expunging all the garbage... was it really necessary to expunge the MET-Art galleries as well?

This post has been edited by HybridGuardian: Jul 10 2010, 13:00

Yeah, although I gladly helped with expunging all the garbage... was it really necessary to expunge the MET-Art galleries as well?

Yes, and I'll happily explain why.

You see, if we say "expunge everything that isn't quality" then we'd have a 1000+ post long argument between half the forum about what exactly make a gallery quality or not after which if we somehow managed to do anything at all it would end up being pointless because of all the guidelines we invented to decide on quality or not. It would also be infinitely more time consuming than the current process because of having to check those guidelines.

As for only one specific exception? Well there'd be 20 other people saying "well if you kept MET art then why can't you keep -insert site they like here-?" and the same problem would ensue.

So, for the sake of being able to actually mow down 20000+ galleries within our lifetimes it was all or nothing.

You do have a point...very well, expunge away then, we are a Hentai-Community afterall!

Damn. Ninja'd.

Yes, and I'll happily explain why.

You see, if we say "expunge everything that isn't quality" then we'd have a 1000+ post long argument between half the forum about what exactly make a gallery quality or not after which if we somehow managed to do anything at all it would end up being pointless because of all the guidelines we invented to decide on quality or not. It would also be infinitely more time consuming than the current process because of having to check those guidelines.

As for only one specific exception? Well there'd be 20 other people saying "well if you kept MET art then why can't you keep -insert site they like here-?" and the same problem would ensue.

So, for the sake of being able to actually mow down 20000+ galleries within our lifetimes it was all or nothing.

I'm in full agreement here, but you do realize that doesn't change the fact that we'll get argued with constantly, right?

This post has been edited by areth: Jul 10 2010, 13:12

Damn. Ninja'd.

I'm in full agreement here, but you do realize that doesn't change the fact that we'll get argued with constantly, right?

Yes, but now I have a copypasta reply.

Personally I'd like to see the good stuff remain, as per the current rules

That's a pretty powerful copypasta response. The problem with copypasta responses is that they get weaker every single time you use them. My quote however would suggest that your method is against the rules of the sight. Now I know you're going to extend that quote to the feasibility part, but hey you weren't sure what you're doing now was feasible a week ago.

Given that quality real porn is perfectly fine within the rules, anyone who has a gallery expunged that can be argued as a quality gallery could, and probably should, appeal that expunge. Met Art is a great example as very few say they are not of high quality. If I had uploaded some of them, I would appeal an expunge as garbage. The problem is that if I were to win, you'd just expunge it again unless you were told to leave it alone. This could easily become a vicious circle.

You made a some sacrifices will need to be made speech. As soon as one of those is made, you already know that the price will be too high.

The quality is a matter of opinion. Expunging as garbage differs from all other exupnge reasons in that regard. I wish it was possible to vote against expunging as garbage, then galleries that are perceived by many as being good quality could be downvoted.
Would removing garbage as expunge reason, and adding it as magic tag be much work? After all, who needs expunge reason for expunging as garbage when it's your own opinion?

I've been wondering, what's so special about Met Art?

I've been wondering, what's so special about Met Art?

From what I've been able to gather, the models from these photo set sites are generally much better looking even during the short portions in which they may be clothed, compared to 95% of the stuff uploaded; it is sorta porn caps + amateurs vs model sets argument here. Met Art gets mentioned a lot because well, because it does. Femjoy, W4B, and Errotica Archives are just a few others that fall into the same category, though they are not as popular as MetArt (well femjoy is up there though).

Now that they are being mentioned watch them end up on the DNP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) *




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Though, that would arguably make what is trying to be accomplished here easier. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Met-Art is mainly a bunch of skinny women with micro-tits. The photography is slightly better but if you really take a good look at the models, they're not all that great. It's all soft-core, too.

Now that they are being mentioned watch them end up on the DNP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) *

Hopefully, they will. They're a membership site after all, I'm surprised they haven't already requested it.

This post has been edited by Tenseigamoon: Jul 10 2010, 20:03

Now that they are being mentioned watch them end up on the DNP. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) *
* (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
Though, that would arguably make what is trying to be accomplished here easier. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I mentioned that before. Take out the 5 or so good sites, and the only arguments for keeping them would be philosophical rather than based on the material.

Met-Art is mainly a bunch of skinny women with micro-tits. The photography is slightly better but if you really take a good look at the models, they're not all that great. It's all soft-core, too.

This is true, especially the comment about the photography. That they are considered good is more of a product of generally awful photography than of their merit. I've seen sets of theirs with attractive models that don't have a single good picture. Some of that can be attributed to inexperienced models, but good photographers can help overcome that.

This post has been edited by Boggyb: Jul 10 2010, 20:11