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The first problem with you suggestion of 10 is that's less than the number of new ones coming in each day.

I still believe that a hard cap that could be increase through credits would cause a significant drop in the amount real porn coming in. Start everybody with 20-25 and then train for say 10 more, it will quickly not be worth the credits to train as the training will cost more than the galleries will bring in.

Also those screaming for a real porn tag have yet to go over any details. It's almost a whole day later with no talk at all, makes me wonder if it's really that important.

To be honest with you I'm more concerned with finding the needed power before getting the details 100% fleshed out.
Not much point in figuring exactly what we want the tag to be, and how to use it, then end up without enough power and make all that discussion a waste.

You mean that this will let us find stuff that we already have ways of finding argument? I was looking for a bit more compelling than it will make it easier to expunge galleries fully uploaded within the rules of the site. However allowing for only one tag flagging slot to be used instead of at least three is a good reason.

Again, here it is 22.5 hours later and no one has tried to discuss the details. If it was so important there should have been at least one post on the matter, I don't care if it is a long weekend, that makes me question just how important it was considering the seemingly urgent need.

We would use it as we use already uploaded/replaced/et cetra tags, The first person to vote, tags it*, and everyone else can do a search for real porn and quickly follow-up on the latest "bad" galleries that have a expunge petition started, without having to use a link list that may already be 97% completed or not yet posted. The real porn tag would of course trigger tag flagging as well. The blonde tag will help us find a gallery, real porn will help us kill it.

It is also why pop9 has this in his sig...

Already Uploaded Dupe Prohibited Content Replaced Garbage Compilation Amateur

The already uploaded tag is especially useful as there are people who are under-skilled (or just lazy) who think (right or wrong) that they have seen the contents of a newly uploaded gallery somewhere else. With the AU tag, someone else can try and track down the original (if it exists). Also, when there are two or three people working the Front Page, tag flagging triggered by the AU tag allows them to vote on it right then and there, without going to Re-Up first, especially, if the first voter hasn't posted it, yet.

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* Only the first voter needs to tag it, except when it is below 10 points. The votes up on support tags, like already uploaded, are pointless, and can be a pain to vote down, if the tag is actually wrong.

already uploaded (12) - No more votes needed.

already uploaded (8) - One vote needed to get it to 10 points or higher. (The search engine doesn't show tags below 10 points.)

Now before it can be used we need to figure out a few details. First, one word or two? How is it going to be applied? I assume not on asian porn as that is a whole category and would be redundant. How about non-nude asians?

So why don't you guys work out the details of how you want your new tag to work and when I come back tonight we can finalize it. Was that so hard?

Also those screaming for a real porn tag have yet to go over any details. It's almost a whole day later with no talk at all, makes me wonder if it's really that important.

Again, here it is 22.5 hours later and no one has tried to discuss the details. If it was so important there should have been at least one post on the matter, I don't care if it is a long weekend, that makes me question just how important it was considering the seemingly urgent need.

Since you've asked so nicely:

• It will be one word - "realporn" - like the reclassification tags; it used to be the name of a category. This also eliminates any false positives that would result from searching for "real porn" without quotation marks.
• No, we obviously won't use it on Asian Porn galleries, as we're not going to expunge those.
• Yes, it should also be suitable for pictures of clothed Orientals.

Does everyone agree? Splendid.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Pardon me while I wait for the argument to get going again...

The sheer number of people is what impressed me the most. Just think, if the Garbage vote was full power, they would have succeeded in killing it and none of us would have noticed.
Actually, the problem here is: we did explain why it was good and needed but, while it was clear and obvious to the supporters of it, you, not being a current/former active expunger, just didn't get our reasoning. While I cannot speak for the regulars of Re-Up, if I had to make a guess, I believe all of them would support a real porn tag for this project's use, and all for the same reason. (Yes, I am confident enough to say "all".) The tag-flagging part is more of a bonus to deal with the new (not yet posted) stuff.

While it may show up on an Asian Porn gallery (much like brunette and asian do), it likely will be ignored, or nuked by some of us.
This, too, is a concern. Just a 50 or 60 link "bomb" drop is enough to scare people away from voting, people who would vote on a 15-20 link list.

*****

I don't know if this will help, and it is a little out of date, but here is a list of notable voters. Some have spoken, others have not, and some have been overall quiet/missing/retired, still a personal request may or may not help the cause.

Voting Power List
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+126 Tenboro
+51 Shadow Weaver
+51 Spectre
+42 Tenseigamoon
+38 Dlaglacz
+37 EvolutionKing
+35 Forth_Lancer
+35 Alpha 7

+28 Red_Piotrus
+27 Boggyb
+26 Kir
+27 Sayo Aisaka
+24 mr daniels
+23 radixius
+22 Liquid Drygun
+22 bladejtr
+21 Grahf
+24 3d0xp0xy
+18 pop9
+17 Rei-Tenshi
+14 MasakiLHW
+10 ichigai
+8 excrtd

i fixed it for you and my garbage expunge power is +12

This post has been edited by mr daniels: Jul 3 2010, 19:58

I don't have time to read the entire thread, but anything that helps get rid of real porn here gets my vote.

Oh good! Tenb can shut down the servers in peace now! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I have a non-rhetorical question. If the complaint is that it's a hentai site for hentai, what about removing the 'misc' category?
I only looked through a few pages of 'misc,' but everything I saw would either be a 'realporn' candidate, or belonged in a different category. Sorting out the galleries that belong elsewhere would seem to be an easier task, relatively at least.

[The reason I think 'realporn' is a silly tag is because it wouldn't necessarily be applied to galleries of real porn. That, in my opinion, will possibly lead to misunderstandings down the road from users who see it and apply it in the most obvious way. If you just want a tag to help you expunge galleries, you could choose a tag like 'target' or 'hitlist' or something less easily misconstrued.]

Since you've asked so nicely:

• It will be one word - "realporn" - like the reclassification tags; it used to be the name of a category. This also eliminates any false positives that would result from searching for "real porn" without quotation marks.
• No, we obviously won't use it on Asian Porn galleries, as we're not going to expunge those.
• Yes, it should also be suitable for pictures of clothed Orientals.

Does everyone agree? Splendid.

This works for me and I would prefer it this way. However I would like to wait for a couple of others, especially blade, the agree before putting this into service. No offense but it has to be to the crusaders exact specs or it's no use to them.

I only looked through a few pages of 'misc,' but everything I saw would either be a 'realporn' candidate, or belonged in a different category. Sorting out the galleries that belong elsewhere would seem to be an easier task, relatively at least.

The reason I talk about the time taken, is this. I'm this hard to work with, unreasonable, set in my ways, old asshole or at least so I'm told. When I agree to something it's probably not a good idea to give me time to doubt or reconsider that agreement.

[The reason I think 'realporn' is a silly tag is because it wouldn't necessarily be applied to galleries of real porn. That, in my opinion, will possibly lead to misunderstandings down the road from users who see it and apply it in the most obvious way. If you just want a tag to help you expunge galleries, you could choose a tag like 'target' or 'hitlist' or something less easily misconstrued.]

Misc right now is western porn, western non-h, non-nude asians and 3d.

I have no idea about what you mean by misunderstandings. If I see a hitlist tag, that person will quickly be at the top of my list.

Hmm. I'm with Shadow Weaver on that: How can anyone misunderstand a tag called Real Porn?
For that matter, even if there is another way to read it other than "Porn involving real people", we already have another suggestion. I'm to lazy to look it up in the thread, but I think it was photo, or photographic... Something like that.

By the way Shadow Weaver... Crusaders? Bit harsh, don't you think? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) The crusaders killed anyone who disagreed with their religion. This thread is just about eliminating or moving some pictures (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Misc right now is western porn, western non-h, non-nude asians and 3d.

No, there are still some (usually old) non-h and western galleries there, with a little bit of imagesets there. And by some I mean, thousands of galleries. I've been reporting them to reclass thread for months... please note that the links below are not complete, as some galleries are still simply not tagged. If we were to kill all miscs, it would have to be on the expunge vote and review basic (this would also help to find and reclass all of those).

imageset

non-h

artistcg

manga

doujin

gamecg

Western

Misc right now is western porn, western non-h, non-nude asians and 3d.

I have no idea about what you mean by misunderstandings. If I see a hitlist tag, that person will quickly be at the top of my list.

But aren't those all categories of stuff that people are saying they'd like to do away with? Since they are not 'hentai'? I understand that obviously 'non-asian-porn' is the most problematic, simply because it is the most numerous. But are those other categories things that you want to have a place on e-hentai? Getting rid of misc sends the clear message that all galleries should be related to the site's focus.

By 'misunderstandings,' I simply meant that the text of the tag does not actually express what the tag is for. If people are suggesting a tag explicitly for organizing an expunge effort, I feel that a tag that expresses that fact is most appropriate. In any case, I'm guessing any non-forum-goer who sees the tag 'realporn' will assume that it applies to asian porn, at the very least. There's also the nagging fact that even drawn pornography is 'real' pornography. All of these things are obviated by context, but random gallery browsers are not going to have any context. Just some thoughts. I'd prefer a clear & accurate tag that is what it says, if possible.

Hmm. I'm with Shadow Weaver on that: How can anyone misunderstand a tag called Real Porn?
For that matter, even if there is another way to read it other than "Porn involving real people", we already have another suggestion. I'm to lazy to look it up in the thread, but I think it was photo, or photographic... Something like that.

That was me.

My suggestion is to add the tag 'photo.' Any gallery consisting primarily of photographs rather than drawings (or computer renderings) would receive this tag. The drawback to this would be that, presumably every gallery in 'asian porn' should receive this tag... I'm not sure how to address that issue. Possibly have every 'asian porn' category labeled with photo automatically? It's kind of stupid, but it would probably be quite feasible, and a 'photo' tag would be short/convenient, self-explanitory, and useful in diverse situations. You could also just not bother with applying it on 'asian porn' galleries. I dunno.

Thus, to find porn, you could search for 'photo' and remove 'non-h'
To find non-asian porn, you could simply remove 'asian porn' from the search.
And you could add 'photo' to your taglist and avoid non-drawn items altogether.

That was me.

... Uh... I was agreeing with this:

I have no idea about what you mean by misunderstandings. If I see a hitlist tag, that person will quickly be at the top of my list.

Which was Shadow Weaver.

... Uh... I was agreeing with this:

He was saying, that he suggested tag "photo".

He was saying, that he suggested tag "photo".

Oh! Maybe I still need more sleep. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Thanks for clarifying.

But aren't those all categories of stuff that people are saying they'd like to do away with? Since they are not 'hentai'? I understand that obviously 'non-asian-porn' is the most problematic, simply because it is the most numerous. But are those other categories things that you want to have a place on e-hentai? Getting rid of misc sends the clear message that all galleries should be related to the site's focus.

There are people who want to get rid of loli, shota, and guro, and I'm sure others would like to get rid of things like yaoi, non-h, futa and western and image sets in general. You can name almost anything on the site and someone wants to get rid of it. I'd like to expunge those image set where there's just enough nudity to not call it non-h. I'd love to be able to expunge them and say take out the nudity or add a bunch more. It seems like cheating the system for gp to me (non-h has reduced gp earning).

By 'misunderstandings,' I simply meant that the text of the tag does not actually express what the tag is for. If people are suggesting a tag explicitly for organizing an expunge effort, I feel that a tag that expresses that fact is most appropriate. In any case, I'm guessing any non-forum-goer who sees the tag 'realporn' will assume that it applies to asian porn, at the very least. There's also the nagging fact that even drawn pornography is 'real' pornography. All of these things are obviated by context, but random gallery browsers are not going to have any context. Just some thoughts. I'd prefer a clear & accurate tag that is what it says, if possible.

You idea of a photo tag would be as bad or worse. A real porn tag makes more sense and have other uses. That is why you can vote tags down. The people you are talking about are low powered and the tags are easily killed. The problematic ones will hear from me. If they don't come to the forums to get the message, they will receive a tagging ban until they come get the message and then will be reinstated. It may seem unfair and messy, but there are limited options.

Now can this topic get back more on track.

This post has been edited by Shadow Weaver: Jul 4 2010, 22:32

the only way i would get behind this is if Real Porn becomes banned by the RoE.
i feel if we start expunging real porn as garbage then some other users will start talking about lets get rid of other stuff such as guro, futa, and furry.
i see this as a slippery slope i don't want to slide on

the only way i would get behind this is if Real Porn becomes banned by the RoE.
i feel if we start expunging real porn as garbage then some other users will start talking about lets get rid of other stuff such as guro, futa, and furry.
i see this as a slippery slope i don't want to slide on

That slope is already there. The rules allow for people to expunge anything they want as garbage, provided they can get the votes to expunge it. Being afraid to join this group because you are afraid what that may lead to is pointless because the possibility for what you are afraid of already exists. If you don't believe in this cause, then don't join it. If you believe in getting rid of the real porn on this site, then join us. Joining this fight doesn't mean you are endorsing any other purge except real porn.

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 4 2010, 23:40

That slope is already there. The rules allow for people to expunge anything they want as garbage, provided they can get the votes to expunge it. Being afraid to join this group because you are afraid what that may lead to is pointless because the possibility for what you are afraid of already exists. If you don't believe in this cause, then don't join it. If you believe in getting rid of the real porn on this site, then join us. Joining this fight doesn't mean you are endorsing any other purge except real porn.

i am not afraid of anything i just feel this movement will lead to others trying the same thing on other stuff

i am not afraid of anything i just feel this movement will lead to others trying the same thing on other stuff

They already try it, and they aren't nice enough to use garbage expunges. I've seen guro galleries get up to an 80% expunge vote.
That got stopped the same way any other attempts would: we have members who can clear expunge votes and de-expunge galleries.