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For fuck's sake, stop turning this into arguments about other things. We want to get rid of the misc real porn and non-nude shit as garbage to maybe make people stop uploading so much of it and flooding the galleries with trash. Stop spamming this thread with other bullshit.

This post has been edited by Tenseigamoon: Jul 2 2010, 00:27

I'm getting pretty sick of people misconstruing my intent here.

Read my posts, I'm not writing it out again.

Shadow, if you hadn't noticed, it's pretty damn hard to organize this effort and it's one of the biggest complaints of any so far, any of the other things you're suggesting we're going to end up doing aren't going to happen, too many people would either not care or not support their removal.

So, once again, this is for the removal of pictures of real people, who are not asian, nothing else, any argument that involves us trying to do anything else is not an argument, it's an over-active imagination.

I'm getting pretty sick of people misconstruing my intent here.

Read my posts, I'm not writing it out again.

Shadow, if you hadn't noticed, it's pretty damn hard to organize this effort and it's one of the biggest complaints of any so far, any of the other things you're suggesting we're going to end up doing aren't going to happen, too many people would either not care or not support their removal.

So, once again, this is for the removal of pictures of real people, who are not asian, nothing else, any argument that involves us trying to do anything else is not an argument, it's an over-active imagination.

I don't think you're being misconstrued. I understand that you're targeting something fairly specific, but feel that it sets a bad standard. This effort essentially seems to be founded in the idea that 'might makes right,' so any group of people with 200 power should be able to go ahead and just wipe out whatever they feel like.

Now, your reasons for wanting to do this, in this case, might be understandable. But I think I'd prefer a different method that was based on a little more consensus than just 'we have 200 power, take that.'

This post has been edited by Cong: Jul 2 2010, 00:40

I don't think you're being misconstrued. I understand that you're targeting something fairly specific, but feel that it sets a bad standard. This effort essentially seems to be founded in the idea that 'might makes right,' so any group of people with 200 power should be able to go ahead and just wipe out whatever they feel like.

Now, your reasons for wanting to do this, in this case, might be understandable. But I think I'd prefer a different method that was based on a little more consensus than just 'we have 200 power, take that.'

How easy do you think getting together 200 power is?
Because it's not, at all.
And to be frank if you can get together 200 power worth of expunging, you do have a right, the way the rules are written, to expunge something as garbage, assuming that your reason is actually that it is garbage/has no place on this site.
If you don't like that, then you need to try to get the rules changed, not come here and tell me I can't do what I feel is important, and follows the rules.

Western - not hentai
Non-h -not hentai
cosplay - not hentai

Do you see where I'm going with this?

If real porn shouldn't be here because it's not hentai, then there is no justification to keep those other categories.

Japanese theme? It's not hentai.

Yes, there is a justification; they're much more relevant to the site than real porn, as I have already tried to explain.

Again please explain why a real porn tag would be needed to do this. No one has made any attempt to explain this in any way. I've already shown you how to systematically target them. If you're already this organized, is it too much to ask for a little more organization to be done? If you can't do that, is a reasonable explanation too much to ask for? I have yet to hear a reason beyond we need one.

We have yet to hear the reason why a new tag would be such a disaster. Please tell us.

This post has been edited by 3d0xp0xy: Jul 2 2010, 00:54

We have yet to hear the reason why a new tag would be such a disaster. Please tell us.

He also insists that garbage is a bad tag and threatened to have my tagging and expunging privileges suspended if I didn't stop tagging things garbage. In spite of that, galleries expunged as garbage continue be marked as garbage. He may have gotten Dialga-kun to remove the mention of "garbage" from his thread in the Rules and FAQs forum about popular tags; but garbage tags on garbage galleries continue to be marked up to 60 points and above. As far as I'm concerned, majority rules and it's still a good tag. The same goes for the real porn tag. Only Tenboro has the authority to overrule the majority in this matter.

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 2 2010, 01:04

A few thoughts on the matter.

1. It's probable that real porn gives the same amount or more of ad revenue as the rest of the site, so it might be keeping the site afloat.

2. Space taken by real porn galleries and storage of them is Tenboro's problem, and if it was a real problem, he'd do something about it.

3. I understand that people who want real porn gone from the site want it mainly because it's e-hentai and it's supposed to be hentai, not real porn with some hentai on the fringes.

So, if there was another Galleries page under a different address, like for example www.filthywhores.com , and with same search engine, and same database engine behind it, except maybe the background would be pink, and it would contain only real porn (and maybe asian porn and cosply), and there would be "realporn" magic tag that could cause real porn to flip from e-hentai to filthywhores, then the problem people wanting to expunge real porn presently have would be solved?

Just wondering...

So, if there was another Galleries page under a different address, like for example www.filthywhores.com , and with same search engine, and same database engine behind it, except maybe the background would be pink, and it would contain only real porn (and maybe asian porn and cosply), and there would be "realporn" magic tag that could cause real porn to flip from e-hentai to filthywhores, then the problem people wanting to expunge real porn presently have would be solved?

That would be fucking awesome!

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 2 2010, 01:44

How easy do you think getting together 200 power is?
Because it's not, at all.
And to be frank if you can get together 200 power worth of expunging, you do have a right, the way the rules are written, to expunge something as garbage, assuming that your reason is actually that it is garbage/has no place on this site.
If you don't like that, then you need to try to get the rules changed, not come here and tell me I can't do what I feel is important, and follows the rules.

You get the right people behind you and it doesn't take much. You have tens with a 21% support. If you have me or spectre, we are 26% each. With people like that, it gets a lot easier.

3d0, I've already stated how the real porn has tags identifying it. I'm asking why we need another? This is not being unreasonable I'm just looking for an argument in it's favour.

Brad, you have this delusion that I am trying to usurp power from Tenboro. Stop your accusations because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Then answer me this: How is using a loophole to expunge thousands of galleries that Tenboro has not made any rules against not an attempt to usurp some manner of power from Tenboro. Or is it okay with you because you support it?

Oh and Brad, I've seen galleries several hours old with 40+ power garbage tags and no petitions.

Oh and Brad, I've seen galleries several hours old with 40+ power garbage tags and no petitions.

I've seen those galleries, too, and that's probably when people re-up them.

Brad, you have this delusion that I am trying to usurp power from Tenboro. Stop your accusations because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Wasn't implying that this time. I don't have a problem with you anymore, I got over it. It's just, that on an issue like this, I'm just calling into question your authority on the matter. Your views on the garbage tag set a clear precedence that calls into question your legitimacy on ruling a real porn tag invalid. That being said, if p0xy-w0xy is in the minority on the real porn tag issue, then I guess he loses by default, doesn't he? I really don't care either way, honestly, I just don't feel you have the authority to tell 3d0xp0xy no.

using a loophole to expunge thousands of galleries that Tenboro has not made any rules against

Actually, from what I have been made to understand, Tenboro has made a rule. It's called majority mob rules, and if enough people think it should be expunged, only Tenboro has the authority to overrule it.

Oh and Brad, I've seen galleries several hours old with 40+ power garbage tags and no petitions.

Well, before you had Dialga-kun remove that bit from his Find Your Fetish thread, it specifically said that you must petition to expunge something as garbage before you can tag it as garbage. Under those guidelines, all the cases you just mentioned were violating that guideline.

I do agree with you there, though. People need to vote to expunge when they put up a garbage tag. However, when you had Dialga-kun remove the mention of garbage tags from the guidelines, you cut off your nose in spite your face. Since it's still a popular tag, it's still valid, only now there are no guidelines restricting it's use.



EDIT: I have no intention of arguing with you any further on off-topic points here. If you want to discuss other matters, there are other threads to do that on.

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 2 2010, 22:53

Well, now I'm a bit torn. There are a few good arguments for keeping real porn around, however; I do think that given that this is a hentai site, real porn being the third most common upload is a bit irritating.
I think that putting real porn in its own section or site would be a good idea, especially if that site was tied into the main site's stat tracking functions (for example, the uploader would still receive GP for the gallery). Though, I do also agree with Tenboro's viewpoint that this should only proceed with a general consensus.
I doubt that storage in and of itself is an issue, more like just general clutter for people trying to find their particular brand of drawn goodness. Though, since I have tag flagging this is not particularly a problem for me.
I would also point out, though, that using three tags to block something that could VERY easily be categorized with a single tag is wasteful.

1. It's probable that real porn gives the same amount or more of ad revenue as the rest of the site, so it might be keeping the site afloat.

Earlier I suggested it could be the opposite - the real porn might be costing money if it's not generating enough hits relative to the space it takes up. I just think that it's not likely to get repeat visitors like a lot of the hentai stuff does, considering that this is a hentai site.

If we could get some actual data on this it would be nice. It could sway the argument one way or another, and I'd think Tenboro might be interested in it since it factors in to how much the site costs.

Of all the real porn in the galleries only one have I found reason to save to my favorites. Furthermore, I only did so because it gave me an idea for a story and I hope to add text to it someday. Real porn has no redeeming quality on this site, as far as I'm concerned. If I want to search for real porn, there are [www.asktiava.com] other sites for it.

You do see a few favourites on the average porn gallery and they often have ratings of 3 or more after 4+ votes, so there is evidence that people are looking at them and do like them.

You do see a few favourites on the average porn gallery and they often have ratings of 3 or more after 4+ votes, so there is evidence that people are looking at them and do like them.

True. I'm sure there are more than a few people who enjoy and frequent the real porn galleries. That doesn't mean they belong on a hentai site. You know what else people love and enjoy viewing frequently? Kittens. Yet we still expunge them as garbage when a gallery is full of them. By the way, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, so I hope I'm not coming across that way.

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jul 2 2010, 03:21

A few thoughts on the matter.

1. It's probable that real porn gives the same amount or more of ad revenue as the rest of the site, so it might be keeping the site afloat.

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If that was the case, Tenboro would already know it, and wouldn't have said he didnt care.

So, if there was another Galleries page under a different address, like for example www.filthywhores.com , and with same search engine, and same database engine behind it, except maybe the background would be pink, and it would contain only real porn (and maybe asian porn and cosply), and there would be "realporn" magic tag that could cause real porn to flip from e-hentai to filthywhores, then the problem people wanting to expunge real porn presently have would be solved?

Just wondering...

Not a terrible idea, it's gone from the main site and therefor isn't in a place meant for hentai I'd be ok with it, but I doubt it does generate the traffic to make that worth Tenboro's time.

You get the right people behind you and it doesn't take much. You have tens with a 21% support. If you have me or spectre, we are 26% each. With people like that, it gets a lot easier.

The problem is you and spectre would never agree to any mass removal, particularly if you won't even agree to this one, tens might, but that's still only 1 large powered expunge, and alpha7 while he doesn't object has clearly stated he has no interest in joining.

3d0, I've already stated how the real porn has tags identifying it. I'm asking why we need another? This is not being unreasonable I'm just looking for an argument in it's favour.

I'm personally ambivalent on the tag, it would make things faster for clean up crews coming through finishing stuff off, but I can manage that with a thread with properly maintained links as well.
If most of the people that want to help want the tag then I intend to use it because the easier the process for them the more likely we are to succeed, if most don't care either way, or don't like the tag idea, that's fine too we'll skip it.

Brad, you have this delusion that I am trying to usurp power from Tenboro. Stop your accusations because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Then answer me this: How is using a loophole to expunge thousands of galleries that Tenboro has not made any rules against not an attempt to usurp some manner of power from Tenboro. Or is it okay with you because you support it?
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1. not a loophole, it's how it was intended, just used more sweepingly.
2. not usurping any power at all because as you can clearly tell from the OP I very specifically stated that Tenboro has the final say in this and any negative leanings from him toward the matter will be an end to the effort, he however does not care.


Edit: OMG I wanna make a kitten gallery now, but would that be expunged for mixed?

This post has been edited by bladejtr: Jul 2 2010, 03:23

The problem is you and spectre would never agree to any mass removal, particularly if you won't even agree to this one, tens might, but that's still only 1 large powered expunge, and alpha7 while he doesn't object has clearly stated he has no interest in joining.

For what its worth I don't mind putting my numbers into this but unlike the rest of you, I'll only expunge against what I think is actually "garbage". This would end up becoming counter productive to a degree if you had to rely on my 26, as some galleries would get my vote, and other would not. As I said in the beginning, I will not personally be part of a mob based blanket takedown of this content with absolutely no consideration of the subjective quality of the material. "Real Porn doesn't belong on a hentai site" does not offer enough of a reason for me to do so, as if Tenboro meant that to be his original intention he would have banned/removed it a long time ago, or had a Real Porn category in the first place.

edit @ the kitty gallery comment: I wouldn't expunge against it assuming it was cute and fluffy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by Spectre: Jul 2 2010, 06:38

1 person threatening to use their additional power to stop something if it marginally inconveniences them is absurd.

As I have said repeatedly, I don't oppose an organized purge. However, if I arrive one day and there are 600 failed purge ballots on the SOCOM Expunge List, that would hardly be "marginally inconvenient", and I would request that the list be de-cluttered. On the other hand, If I see 6 failed ballots, I'll likely add my 18 points, if I can kill it off or dump the URLs in The Garbage Bin, if not.

I seem to remember reading Tenboro saying that we can expunge re-writes if there is a translated version of the gallery. If someone went through and searched, they could probably remove a good number of them.

Well, since he considers re-writes to be an alternate version not subject to dupe/replacement by a more proper translation, it's likely he changed his mind on this issue.

@Shadow: Support tags like realporn, are valuable tools for organized expunging. it would also be useful when combined with tag flagging, especially when dealing with the new uploads. Additionally, as 3d0 points out, you've failed to show why a realporn tag would be bad. As for what's next...

guro

Expunge Log
+2 Garbage on 2010-06-26 09:56 by Smothtiger_fm
Details: garbage

+2 Garbage on 2010-06-26 09:44 by bluekatana
Details: this iis screwed up big time

+4 Garbage on 2010-06-26 06:54 by starboar
Details: Why isn't this shit illicit content? Do the advertisers like to fap to people being butchered more than loli's?

+3 Garbage on 2010-06-26 06:04 by tahk
Details: Man, did NOT want to see this.

+9 Illicit on 2010-06-26 05:03 by GundamDude
Details: If guro's not illicit content, it should be.

+4 Garbage on 2010-06-26 03:11 by eldigitos
Details: Garbage

+3 Garbage on 2010-06-26 02:44 by Jaky9090
Details: This gallery contains only worthless garbage with absolutely no redeeming qualities.

+3 Illicit on 2010-06-26 01:45 by Urgil Bougie
Details: Gore and blood, really shocking and disturbing.

+2 Garbage on 2010-06-26 01:31 by olmf
Details: Garbage

+7 Illicit on 2010-06-26 00:49 by Ponga
Details: Guro is Forbidden by the RoE

+1 Garbage on 2010-06-25 23:30 by Elhannan
Details: Gore is the lowest form of bad art.

+1 Garbage on 2010-06-25 22:26 by Troopman
Details: guro shit

+4 Garbage on 2010-06-25 19:50 by Josiepearl35
Details: Cheap edits...

+1 Garbage on 2010-06-25 19:28 by mohinder
Details: how can ppl be exiting seeing this ><

+1 Garbage on 2010-06-25 18:52 by heidenreich
Details: disgusting

+5 Garbage on 2010-06-25 18:24 by Setebos
Details: Worthless Guro garbage with no value!

+4 Garbage on 2010-06-25 18:03 by zineilda
Details: guro garbage

+2 Garbage on 2010-06-25 17:37 by Zedon0007
Details: Necrophiliac pornhentai is banned from most sites. And according to the RoE, this is obscene under U.S. law (or at least the drawn equivalent).

****

Rating: (29)
Average: 1.22

(I am not saying "Guro must go" but, 18 people sure are.)

As I have said repeatedly, I don't oppose an organized purge. However, if I arrive one day and there are 600 failed purge ballots on the SOCOM Expunge List, that would hardly be "marginally inconvenient", and I would request that the list be de-cluttered. On the other hand, If I see 6 failed ballots, I'll likely add my 18 points, if I can kill it off or dump the URLs in The Garbage Bin, if not.
Well, since he considers re-writes to be an alternate version not subject to dupe/replacement by a more proper translation, it's likely he changed his mind on this issue.

@Shadow: Support tags like realporn, are valuable tools for organized expunging. it would also be useful when combined with tag flagging, especially when dealing with the new uploads. Additionally, as 3d0 points out, you've failed to show why a realporn tag would be bad. As for what's next...
(I am not saying "Guro must go" but, 18 people sure are.)

And all but one user has less than 10 posts (in fact all but like 3 have 0 posts). Considering I do not recall reading anyone that is a regular here particularly complaining about guro, what I see here is that the vast majority of users that don't come on the forums on a regular basis may have different ideas of what they like and want on the site. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Also, 18 lurkers trying to garbage a gallery they don't like is impressive.