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3 hours ago: Having a much larger than average ratio of negative imbues will now significantly reduce the amount of karma you are able to give.

I'm confused. Does this mean that people that give out an unusually high amount of negative karma will be able to give out less karma; or does this mean people with higher levels of negative karma will be able to give out less karma?

It really just applies to one or two persons, so I wouldn't worry about it, if I were you.

unnecessary positive reinforcement

doesn't fill my inbox with wails about how everything is unfair and how some people should be fired, from a cannon, into the sun. Yes, I have considered to rip out the red numbers entirely, but it would require a larger redesign of the entire thing.

Why the fuck even have the ability to give negative karma, anymore? Get rid of the red numbers, only go by the green, have one imbue button, who cares, anymore? It's not like having negative levels really effects anything on the site, nor would it be possible for it to get low enough that it'd make a difference due to positive karma abuse. In any case, I don't really see the point.

Also, the fact that abusing the system in a positive way isn't considered abuse is laughable. There is such a thing as excessive unnecessary positive reinforcement. It's what separates the spoiled people from the ones that aren't. So, either get rid of the negative part of the system so there's not such an unbalanced system, or balance the positive and the negative, any limits on negative get applied to positive, any boons to positive get applied to the negative. It's only fair, and that's kind of what karma is...

To use an overused Internet expression: This.

Note: Boggyb actually has knocked me down one Karma level; the ratio is no longer high enough to make me "3rd Class". In other words, it is possible to make a difference, mostly because people don't abuse the green with me, thankfully. Ah, what does it matter anyway? They're just numbers with no effect on real life.

real life.

You intrigue me. What is this real life you speak of? Sounds foreign. Is it a place?

This post has been edited by BradRepko: Jun 14 2010, 10:35

It really just applies to one or two persons, so I wouldn't worry about it, if I were you.

Like, I dunno, probably me.

doesn't fill my inbox with wails about how everything is unfair and how some people should be fired, from a cannon, into the sun. Yes, I have considered to rip out the red numbers entirely, but it would require a larger redesign of the entire thing.

How about just tearing it all out.
Or remove the public display of the numbers.

How about just tearing it all out.
Or remove the public display of the numbers.

In my opinion the karma sys. is one of the charming factors in this community. I mean, have you ever seen something like it in another forum? Sure it´s being abused one way or the other....

But getting rid of the red numbers is a sound idea! I´ve seen many times before that newcomers and our more "sensible" members are hurt more by reds than by a plain (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) "insultfest" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) in the FSZ...

So REDS begone, karma sys stay! (BECAUSE: how could we rise our tagging and expunging power without our greens?) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

edit: though I doubt that it´ll ever happen... as I see it, it´s either rip the entire karma sys. code out or stay with what we have now... I choose the latter!

This post has been edited by HybridGuardian: Jun 14 2010, 15:37

Outstanding, my lack of randomly +king people makes my -k strength 1%

Yes, 1% I can neg people for a max of 6.

This post has been edited by bladejtr: Jun 14 2010, 15:44

As for the question from the K-Comment section: They reduce my tagging and expunging capacity and...
BLADE WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) I LOVED YOU MAN NOW I´VE GOTTA NEG YOU BACK!!! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)



This post has been edited by HybridGuardian: Jun 14 2010, 15:47

And I bet you can hit me for a full 103.

Yeah that's not unfair bullshit at all.

And I bet you can hit me for a full 103.

Yeah that's not unfair bullshit at all.

Actually I could have, but.... I´ve decided a while ago to not neg anyone anymore... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[img197.imageshack.us] (IMG:[img197.imageshack.us] http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2876/happysulu.gif)

( So I gave ya +K... yeah I ama onta making sencceee)

edit: boggyb is surely heartbroken because of the new "neg-imbuement" rule.... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by HybridGuardian: Jun 14 2010, 16:18

doesn't fill my inbox with wails about how everything is unfair and how some people should be fired, from a cannon, into the sun. Yes, I have considered to rip out the red numbers entirely, but it would require a larger redesign of the entire thing.

I told myself I wasn't going to get involved in this because I don't have anything to do with red numbers, either giving or receiving, but to be honest with you, this place has totally gone to shit. The community is a piece of crap these days and the regular members are either gone or have stopped posting because of all the retards here. I can't even find anything to post after because it's so terrible.

And the whiners are probably little kids who should be booted anyway. I don't believe in repeatedly abusing negative karma but at least before there was some kind of quality control. Tenboro, you don't post in certain areas of the forum or read a lot of threads so you don't really know what we have to put up with.


And to the people who are bothering Tenboro in PMs about getting -K. Did you know you can become immune to negative karma? That's right, there's a hath perk for it and there's also karma shield you can train. So please shut the fuck up about it.

I told myself I wasn't going to get involved in this because I don't have anything to do with red numbers, either giving or receiving, but to be honest with you, this place has totally gone to shit. The community is a piece of crap these days and the regular members are either gone or have stopped posting because of all the retards here. I can't even find anything to post after because it's so terrible.

Yeah, I remember the days when insightful people posted nothing but clever commentary and everyone were happy and content with life as a whole.. oh wait, no I don't.

There is a [en.wikipedia.org] theory out there that people can't really cope efficiently with communities above 100-150 members or so, and even if we only count actively posting users, we're way past that.

And the whiners are probably little kids who should be booted anyway. I don't believe in repeatedly abusing negative karma but at least before there was some kind of quality control. Tenboro, you don't post in certain areas of the forum or read a lot of threads so you don't really know what we have to put up with.

You don't really have the information I do, but no, it's not the little kids or the people who aren't actively contributing. There were very good reasons to put the limit in place, most of which had to do with karma being used for nothing but petty revenge.

Yeah, I remember the days when insightful people posted nothing but clever commentary and everyone were happy and content with life as a whole.. oh wait, no I don't.

There is a [en.wikipedia.org] theory out there that people can't really cope efficiently with communities above 100-150 members or so, and even if we only count actively posting users, we're way past that.



You don't really have the information I do, but no, it's not the little kids or the people who aren't actively contributing. There were very good reasons to put the limit in place, most of which had to do with karma being used for nothing but petty revenge.

***Insert "Two Thumbs Up" Emoticon here***

I don't know what to say here. I get negged all the time, by what feels like everyone. I doesn't bother me that people have a disliking to me that much, but I dont feel someone with some kind of seniority should have less expunging/negging ability. Perhaps theres a way to cap the expunge/negging power of older members ? So that it wont drop so much I mean.

I feel a different kind of Red creeping onto this forum.

I don't get karmals anymore, so I don't see what the fuss is about. (IMG:[i237.photobucket.com] http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff133/onionethan/Onion_Emoticons/065_.gif)

The fact that people decide to inundate kru's inbox with complaints about negging is sad too, I too wouldn't mind seeing (major) changes to the karma system, but I'm not sure how that would be easily done considering that a small part of it does deal with expunges, tagging, etc, and with the new change I guess that means since I haven't given any karma lately after just 1 neg I'd be toast (I've given like four negs total ever, and only one had been full power; most of my red numbers were a revenge hit). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I feel a different kind of Red creeping onto this forum.

Communism?

Yeah, I remember the days when insightful people posted nothing but clever commentary and everyone were happy and content with life as a whole.. oh wait, no I don't.

I do. In fact, I remember it quite well. It was before the karma system was changed, before all of the exhaustion and other crap you switched around. It was the first time since I've been here that I can remember all of us getting along with each other, and there were a lot of people posting at the time, not just the same 4 or 5 people, and the community was quite harmonious.

We would karma each other and we were having fun and engaging in good conversation. I think Hammie was the only one who was neg abusing people all the time, Rad wasn't here (he was on one of his extended breaks) and Pox and Boggy hadn't yet joined, or weren't active. For several months, I remember how nice it was on the forum. Even BunBun and I were getting along. It's when we did that April Fool's joke on my birthday where he pretended to warn me and ban me in that one thread in General Chat. You wouldn't remember it but he would.

But then it all fell apart and the exhaustion and the warnings and the bannings and all of that nonsense became real and it hasn't been the same since. It's just gone back to the hating and the bickering over karma and other stupid stuff.

I'm not arguing with you, I don't want to do that because we've been getting along lately, but that's just what I remember.

This post has been edited by Tenseigamoon: Jun 15 2010, 02:31

There is a [en.wikipedia.org] theory out there that people can't really cope efficiently with communities above 100-150 members or so, and even if we only count actively posting users, we're way past that.

Let the banning commence.