They are trying to sell 5090s for 8k here lol. Some are actually selling for near $7k....
This guy on ebay selling 5090 for such a reasonable price of 9499$ only. He could have sell it for 10K but NOPE he is not like other scum scalpers Bless him (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
This guy on ebay selling 5090 for such a reasonable price of 9499$ only. He could have sell it for 10K but NOPE he is not like other scum scalpers Bless him (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
He might throw in free delivery even. That's a steal
For the new 5000 cards that have melted it seems to be the majority of them are people using adapters or reusing cables.
The problem is the super low mean time before failure for the connector and cables. Just plugging in and out six times can cause enough wear to lead to issues. For the old pcie connector and moltex it was 30-200 mating cycles, for the new connector its 12-30.
The issue seems to be looking the documentation, that the older connectors could easily be manufactured to a higher quality, the connection cycles scaled up easily with wire gauge and if it was full copper, tin coated or gold plated. The minimum standard was for the POS cheapest barely certified PSUs and connectors.
The new connector when manufactured to the set standard barely meets the minimum standard of the old POS connectors.
De8aer in his testing found that certain wires are pulling close to the spec limit and causing overheat for some reason on the 5090s and there just isn't enough headroom before it can get close to cable or connectors melting.
edit: Molex responded that you need to match connectors with the same plating eg gold to gold, tin to tin, nickel to nickel.... Except on high end parts that are gold plated I have rarely seen that specified.
TLDR: The old PCI-E power cables had wide variability within the standard, so PSU and GPU manufacturers added a large headroom and load balancing to account for potential quality variation. The new 12VHPWR standard assumed everything will meet a narrow standard and so the headroom, redundancy, power balancing and safeties have been removed.... Now the PSU and GPU are blind if too much voltage / amps goes through a single cable.
This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Feb 12 2025, 06:11
With the 50 series so far, Nvidia and its AIB partners have shown that greed knows no bounds, and AMD has a track record of incompetently pricing their products so the 9070 and 9070XT might already be DOA if they stick to their usual practice of Nvidia minus 50 dollars. Everyone jokes about having to sell a kidney to buy a GPU but maybe this might very well be the case in the future when PC building becomes a rich person's hobby and all the other gamers go back to consoles.
This post has been edited by KTZ: Feb 20 2025, 02:33
The RTX 5090 doesn't seem like a good buy at the moment. Missing ROPs, connectors melting, driver black screen issues, discontinued PhysX 32-bit support. That last one I could go without, but the rest would be inexcusable.
The RTX 5090 doesn't seem like a good buy at the moment. Missing ROPs, connectors melting, driver black screen issues, discontinued PhysX 32-bit support. That last one I could go without, but the rest would be inexcusable.
Will the dickheads allow PhysX to run on CPU again now that they are removing support?
It has been a bit of a mixed bag. I remember when Crysis 3? was melting GPUs becaue of the PhysXs. It was hilarious.
edit: In tear downs people where worried that they were using caps that were not as high rated as necessary but Nvidia said it was cool... caps already popping.
This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Feb 23 2025, 00:21
Honestly the power draw of the 5090 is insane, if you think about it just in terms of what type of physical device it is and how much power it's pulling. Not in terms of Watts per FPS or metrics like that.
QUOTE(KTZ @ Feb 20 2025, 02:27)
With the 50 series so far, Nvidia and its AIB partners have shown that greed knows no bounds, and AMD has a track record of incompetently pricing their products so the 9070 and 9070XT might already be DOA if they stick to their usual practice of Nvidia minus 50 dollars. Everyone jokes about having to sell a kidney to buy a GPU but maybe this might very well be the case in the future when PC building becomes a rich person's hobby and all the other gamers go back to consoles.
Didn't AMD say they're skipping the "flagship model" this year and won't even compete with the 5090?
Anyway, I think this whole "GPUs are so expensive now" thing is sorta overblown. You can still buy a 4060 new for 300€ and play any game ever made. The only thing that's different is that now there is also the OPTION to spend ridiculous cash if you want to play 4K maxed out at 120FPS. The 970 cost about the same as the 4060 even prior to factoring in inflation, and that was before "the GPU prices got out of hand". You'd get a similar or worse performance in new games at the time with a 970 that a 4060 offers now and people weren't complaining.
AMD has sold 4 time as many 9070/9070xt as all of the 5000 series combined so far.
I could buy a 9070xt within 10-20% of MSRP right now ($1100-1300), whereas the 5000 series are 70-100% above MSRP. The price of 5090s are still climbing hitting $6500 for AIB cards here. 5070tis are $2000 here.
The 9070 XT is within 2% raster performance of the 5070ti and matches 4070ti for ray tracing.
Thought about getting one of the new cards but finally decided not to. The extra money I can just spend on more games then down the graphics sliders a bit to run at a decent frame rate.
AMD has sold 4 time as many 9070/9070xt as all of the 5000 series combined so far.
I could buy a 9070xt within 10-20% of MSRP right now ($1100-1300), whereas the 5000 series are 70-100% above MSRP. The price of 5090s are still climbing hitting $6500 for AIB cards here. 5070tis are $2000 here.
The 9070 XT is within 2% raster performance of the 5070ti and matches 4070ti for ray tracing.
The 5000 series is pretty well stocked here now aside from the 5090. Not every model of every manufacturer, but there are at least a few variants of each available to order at major retailers with a "full" stock (as in 10+ or the maximum the site shows). The price is about 150% MSRP, but "MSRP" is misleading, because this is an expensive country and at least 125% of MSRP has always been the norm for electronics and computer parts. A 5070 is 679€, a 5070Ti is 1169€, and a 5080 is 1599€. I only picked models that are available and could be delivered today if I wanted to.
9070s seem equally well stocked at around 749€. 9070XTs are listed as "coming soon" everywhere I looked. Not that I looked much outside the two big stores.
This post has been edited by kotitonttu: Mar 20 2025, 07:01
The 5000 series is pretty well stocked here now aside from the 5090. Not every model of every manufacturer, but there are at least a few variants of each available to order at major retailers with a "full" stock (as in 10+ or the maximum the site shows). The price is about 150% MSRP, but "MSRP" is misleading, because this is an expensive country and at least 125% of MSRP has always been the norm for electronics and computer parts. A 5070 is 679€, a 5070Ti is 1169€, and a 5080 is 1599€. I only picked models that are available and could be delivered today if I wanted to.
We were 90% of MSRP at one point. That was in the before times. Now extra taxes, mass migration, inflation and a dollar as strong a a third world country.
QUOTE(kotitonttu @ Mar 19 2025, 18:54)
9070s seem equally well stocked at around 749€. 9070XTs are listed as "coming soon" everywhere I looked. Not that I looked much outside the two big stores.
AMD responded the issue was that they sold the 200k global supply which they estimated was going to last 3-4 months in a week. They thought sales would be okay, but maybe not do as well as they did not have a 7900 XTX tier halo product. New stock is expected to drop in 2-4 weeks.
They clearly failed to miss the opportunity this time.
AMD responded the issue was that they sold the 200k global supply which they estimated was going to last 3-4 months in a week. They thought sales would be okay, but maybe not do as well as they did not have a 7900 XTX tier halo product. New stock is expected to drop in 2-4 weeks.
They clearly failed to miss the opportunity this time.
Apparently they were pretty unequally distributed around the world, because both of the largest retailers I looked had them specifically as "coming soon", not "out of stock". Meaning they weren't in stock at any point.
Apparently they were pretty unequally distributed around the world, because both of the largest retailers I looked had them specifically as "coming soon", not "out of stock". Meaning they weren't in stock at any point.
Maybe they targeted regions where stock was in short supply for Nvidia?
Though probably AMD just hit random and left it to their board partners to decide.
Nvidia actually now has good stock of the 5070tis (at 2k) and 5080 ($2.6k). The 5070TI makes no sense compared to a 9070 XT at that price but the 5080 after the $200 price drop sort of makes sense against the 5070ti.
Retailers are flagging that the 9070xt will go up 100 dollars at the end of the month.
Video card talk, damn graphics card
Feb 5 2025, 01:34
