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At the time of my post, what I answered was the only thing being asked in the quoted post.
Putting aside that not disallowing it ≠ defending it, and speaking only for myself and my own thoughts, there's difficulties with disallowing it, and those difficulties aren't worth it when those that don't like it, can just choose to not see it, and not everyone dislikes it either. Also bear in mind, in the hypothetical situation where it's disallowed, the criteria would just be the same as we use for the tag, which again, you can blacklist if it bothers you so much, you can literally just choose to not see it and move on.

Except literally every other worthwhile art website on the internet figured out how to do it: block it outright, and ban anybody who gets caught using it.

Again: why are you defending it? Why does it need to be here? What is the usefulness of autogenerated spam? What purpose does it serve EH to be the repository of endless nothing? Why don't you try answering those questions instead of repeating the same meaningless non-answer?

AI generated art is art.

Wrong. Art is making something. Typing a prompt isn't making anything. You can try and pretend otherwise until you're blue in the face, it won't make it true. [en.wikipedia.org] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

There's also the reverse. People falsely calling something AI generated when it's not. It may not happen that much, but it's more damaging when it happens.

Literally not happening. Artists have sketches, prelims, older work, video capture, etc. Prompters have nothing. This argument has always been bullshit and you know it.

This post has been edited by fletchlives: May 5 2023, 17:38

If it's banned, though, I think the problem shank is talking about is that people will submarine their AI generated galleries without mentioning that they are AI generated. It's pretty hard to tell, and at worse it could hasten the rise of drawbots trained to fool AI detection bots.

That would be really bad IMO. Just Blacklist it and tolerate the flood (you do not see it anyway).

There's also the reverse. People falsely calling something AI generated when it's not. It may not happen that much, but it's more damaging when it happens.

Has this really happened? Any examples?

Except literally every other worthwhile art website on the internet figured out how to do it: block it outright, and ban anybody who gets caught using it.

You're welcome to use them instead. Also I guess pixiv isn't a worthwhile art site now :/

Has this really happened? Any examples?

[news.artnet.com] https://news.artnet.com/art-world/artist-be...-ai-art-2240795

This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: May 5 2023, 17:45

Has this really happened? Any examples?

One example I saw was on an art subreddit, he was banned even after providing evidence that it was his own work because "it's obvious it is AI".

The tantrum throwing whining from certain quarters notwithstanding, people who don't want to see it have been given ample ability to avoid it.

The feigned concern from those pretending they are worried about the server load isn't fooling anybody.

Except literally every other worthwhile art website on the internet figured out how to do it: block it outright, and ban anybody who gets caught using it.

Pixiv is very much a worthwhile art website, and has not blocked, or banned it.

You don't want to see it? You have been given the tools to not see it.

That would be really bad IMO. Just Blacklist it and tolerate the flood (you do not see it anyway).
Has this really happened? Any examples?

Yes, I've seen it before. I've posted a gallery before in the tag thread that included a comment that implied it was made with AI. It was nuked immediately when I pointed it out and I didn't save it though.
If mods have access to nuked comments, then it was on the below
https://e-hentai.org/g/2355502/d6d03ed5fb/

"Mods" can't see removed comments (and don't really need to)

For mislabelled galleries, there was https://e-hentai.org/g/2400795/b10fa4295f/ which was marked as AI by the uploader.

Again: why are you defending it? Why does it need to be here?

Why are you attacking it? Note the substantial amount of highly rated AI galleries seen in the OPs graphs.

Wrong. Art is making something. Typing a prompt isn't making anything. You can try and pretend otherwise until you're blue in the face, it won't make it true. [en.wikipedia.org] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

Arguing in AI art threads is like the only purpose of your forum account so I wonder who's turning blue. You call it art yourself, putting quotes around it doesn't make it another word. And you haven't been able to comprehend that there are AI artists who do more than just typing a prompt for the past half year or so.

Except literally every other worthwhile art website on the internet figured out how to do it: block it outright, and ban anybody who gets caught using it.

That's a pity.

[www.fanbox.cc] Pixiv fanbox (and pixiv main mentioned), [fantia.jp] fantia, [www.dlsite.com] DLsite and [www.dmm.co.jp] DMM fanza, all are worthless websites now, people hate AI arts should quit using them or visiting the copies on our site.

Again: why are you defending it? Why does it need to be here? What is the usefulness of autogenerated spam? What purpose does it serve EH to be the repository of endless nothing? Why don't you try answering those questions instead of repeating the same meaningless non-answer?

It's simple; answering those meaningless questions achieves nothing, especially when you're not at the position defining what contents we shall allow or not.

Why are you attacking it? Note the substantial amount of highly rated AI galleries seen in the OPs graphs.

lmfao literally every AI gallery except KEYLUN's sockpuppeted spam is <1 star but sure keep telling yourself that. If anything the average rating should go up since all the "haters" have blocked it, but for some reason that didn't happen. What a shock.

Arguing in AI art threads is like the only purpose of your forum account so I wonder who's turning blue. You call it art yourself, putting quotes around it doesn't make it another word. And you haven't been able to comprehend that there are AI artists who do more than just typing a prompt for the past half year or so.

Oh right they learned to type more, they're definitely real artists now, for sure.

It's simple; answering those meaningless questions achieves nothing, especially when you're not at the position defining what contents we shall allow or not.

translation: we have no defence, we just don't give a shit.

Thanks for being honest at least. And as far as the rest goes, you dorks weren't able to prevent a tag, how long will you permit an endless flood of spam that increases the loads on the servers for no reason? See you in six months for the inevitable "oops guess we need to do something about a problem everyone pointed out a year ago".

This post has been edited by fletchlives: May 8 2023, 02:22

Thanks for being honest at least. And as far as the rest goes, you dorks weren't able to prevent a tag, how long will you permit an endless flood of spam that increases the loads on the servers for no reason? See you in six months for the inevitable "oops guess we need to do something about a problem everyone pointed out a year ago".

The ideal of the site is to host all content, that falls within its rules. I'm not sure why inclusive rules coming close to 'free speech' make so many people angry but it does.

May I suggest you grow up, mature some and then try to understand the importance of a site as inclusive as this? Or are you too selfish after that to understand the importance of a site like this because it doesn't suit you?

If so there are plenty of mirror sites that only pull types of content, maybe those are better for you and your worldview.

This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: May 8 2023, 05:31

lmfao literally every AI gallery except KEYLUN's sockpuppeted spam is <1 star but sure keep telling yourself that.

That statement is false, as anyone can verify in less than half a minute. If the situation really was as dire as you claim, why are you making stuff like this up?

how long will you permit an endless flood of spam that increases the loads on the servers for no reason? See you in six months for the inevitable "oops guess we need to do something about a problem everyone pointed out a year ago".

Sounds like you can lean back, right? You can block the AI tag and as soon as the site owners notice server capacity dwindling due to AI floods, the problem will solve itself.

As expected, this has become just another "I hate AI plz delete" with next to no attempts at constructivity in recent posts. Just the usual pleas for deletion but wanting the solution as to how, to be handled by others. I'm closing this thread.

To avoid "just trying to avoid answering the question" or whatever, although it's been said already, and the reason for the same answers is because it's replying to posts saying the same thing,

On the hypothetical scenario where it being disallowed was even up for debate, there are problems with removing the content, a non exhaustive list of a few:

False positives (this has been observed)
Intentional misclassification to avoid expunges (this has been observed in relation to the first rendition of the tag)
Wrongful expunges (this has been observed with false renames)
Setting a precedent of disallowing an entire category of works because of a few people throwing a tantrum over content they can choose not to see is a bad idea
Despite what said vocal individuals proclaim, not everyone hates it, and likely vast majority of people wouldn't even care less if there aren't any glaring ai artefacts. The sites nature is more that of a porn site than an art exhibit, most people are here just to wank.
And most importantly, you can just choose to not see it and get on with your life.

Just to round up the thread a bit, here's an abridged list of things off the top of my head that individuals and groups have aggressively campaigned to have removed from the site over the years, and this doesn't even include things that are fundamentally and widely controversial:

- Colorizations and redrawings/decensorings (because it "bastardizes the original work")

- Machine translations (because "everyone hates machine translations and people should make real translations instead")

- Translations in general (because "people should just learn Japanese")

- All NTR (because their tofu hearts cannot handle it)

- A wide variety of specific characters they individually feel like white-knighting - most notably anything from Madoka Magica that doesn't feature "canon pairings" (because it "degrades the characters")

- Variant image sets in general, artist image sets in general, image sets in general (because "it's spam that you can find elsewhere")

- All western content (because it's a "Japanese Fanworks Community™")

- All 3D content (because "3D ain't art" and "you can just generate endless images with the same model and different camera angles")

And in every single case it's "worthless content that no one wants and wastes precious space" etc etc despite all evidence to the contrary.

So, yeah. AI is the new 3D, and while some people clearly dislike it, "everyone hates AI" is provably false. AI will not be banned, both because many people want the content and because there are fatal practical flaws with trying to enforce such a rule.

The best we can do is try to corral it so people can block if they don't want to see it. So block it if you don't want to see it and shut the fuck up.

There's no putting this particular genie back in the bottle, no matter how much you think it'll make real artists stop drawing, discourage new artists from learning to art, or even eventually cause civilization itself to end. Even if all of those things may be true and probably are.