[X] My Assistant

There's fierce competition for new uploadable material, especially material which is available for free, without having to pay DLsite or buy physical doujinshi and scan them.

I’ve never quite understood why the competition is that fierce – in a field where there is so little to gain.

Might I ask you to elaborate on the psychology that makes more than a few sporadic persons compete like that?

For most of the past 100,000 years, high paying jobs didn't exist. Those who were casual about competing over scarce resources didn't live. If you didn't want to spend endless hours tilling drought-blasted fields or stalking spindly game, you didn't live. Humanity evolved to kill each other over a field full of empty holes and labor for the equivalent of pennies per hour, and it still comes very naturally to them.

While [AI Generated] galleries have been around in significant numbers since DALL-E2 released to the public on September 28, 2022, in recent weeks the number of [AI Generated] posts has risen alarmingly, and over this weekend it has surpassed 5% of new posts on an ongoing basis, with no sign of slowing down.

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As I mentioned in a previous thread about the e-hentai API, there's a trimodal distribution in the ratings of these posts, which I assume is down to some quirk of the rating system

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Looking at the most prolific uploaders of these galleries, much of this spike is driven by new activity. While there are some uploaders that are consistently rated poorly, the higher rated uploaders still aren't consistently highly rated - for example, Drizz46MaleWV is always low for photorealistic images, but KEYLUN isn't always high for their content, it's a mixed bag.

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Looking at the ratings impact of some selected tags on [AI Generated] posts, I'd like to point out the worrying bias toward toddlercon / small breasts / lolicon tags, which I've confirmed is across a large number of unique uploaders, not just a few individuals. While I don't have issue with lolicon in Doujinshi for people who can distinguish art from reality, the semi-realistic nature of some of these images does worry me.

The reality is that AI Generated Content is a Pandora's Box that isn't getting closed anytime soon, and we should have some constructive community discussion and understanding of what it will look like going forward on this site. It will only become faster and cheaper to generate with time, and who knows where this percent of new posts curve will end up topping off - 5%? 10%? 25%?

I think AI Generated content can be artistically valuable and fills the want for certain niche content that would be challenging to commission otherwise, but I would also suggest that we expect a certain amount of minimum effort and quality for AI Generated posts, whether that be in creativity, nicheness, beauty, or some other guidelines.

Anyway, with that I think I've plated out enough food for discussion - if anyone has more specific questions about the data or wants to see code, feel free to DM me or comment here. Imgur images are downscaled, full-size pngs are attached.

This is quite alarming, I've noticed that over on Kemono.party basically 90% of the fanbox "artists" that have been added to the site since the midpoint of 2022 have been AI generated "artists", every day there seems to be a new batch of these "creators" being added and it all looks the same, cuz of course they're all using the same programs.
You can even sort by date for when for when artists are added and see a clear ocean of AI generated "art" creators flooding the site with sporadic dots of actual artists occasionally filling in a gap, it's awful.

I would definitely vote for a new sorting category like we have for Misc, and Non-porn to separate it from actual art (or just a straight-up ban), especially considering how much of this stuff uses real life models (kids) for its basis, it's a scary thing, and the fact that it's growing so fast is definitely cause for concern.

I mean the main reason for pixiv instigating it's new content restrictions for fanbox, and basically banning/suspending half it's userbase was because so many dickbags were uploading "AI art" which was basically just pics of real kids with a couple shaders and filters thrown on to disguise it.

This post has been edited by Look A Moth: Apr 23 2023, 23:00

never realized there was so much AI-Generated stuff here.

I immediately put it under Hidden and that was it.
Also on Pixiv there is an option to hide any AI-Tagged "Art".

This post has been edited by hentfreak22: Apr 25 2023, 20:44

I would dearly love a way to filter out a combination of "ai generated" and "photorealistic lolicon". I may be a horny deviant, but I don't want to be desensitized to actual depraved shit due to not being able to keep this out of my feed while keeping actually decent ai generated stuff in.

This post has been edited by Zekses: Apr 29 2023, 06:34

I would dearly love a way to filter out a combination of "ai generated" and "photorealistic lolicon". I may be a horny deviant, but I don't want to be desensitized to actual depraved shit due to not being able to keep this out of my feed while keeping actually decent ai generated stuff in.

Apparently realistic AI-generated lolicon content is forbidden, just report it if you see it.
https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Expunging#Underage

It doesn't work that way. It's only forbidden if you can't tell it's AI or 3D, judging by the galleries which remain. Even if it's slightly more restrictive, it's not going to cover most of what @Zekses wants to filter.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Apr 29 2023, 12:02

It doesn't work that way. It's only forbidden if you can't tell it's AI or 3D, judging by the galleries which remain. Even if it's slightly more restrictive, it's not going to cover most of what @Zekses wants to filter.

Fair point.
Actually, after reconsidering it, "photorealistic" images are not always to be "realistic", like those CG-style eyes and skins.

I'm amazed at some of the AI art and definitely think it should be allowed on the site, however the concerns for attractive negative attention for realism is valid. Very interested to see how it plays out

Overcomplying is a major way that people give up, and lose, fundamental rights. Don't forget about that.

Nobody has the right to tell you that you can't even see something. The full extent of that right, however, is something that we are still fighting to reestablish, because it has been infringed upon by various nations' laws for years.

It is not possible to have a functioning democracy when the voting public are not even allowed to see things for themselves.

"Even legislation that may enjoy the support of a majority of its citizens must fail if it violates the constitutional rights of fellow citizens." And constitutional rights do not exist because they are granted, they are a recognition and codification of innate human rights.

People want to keep the site safe from legal attack. Yeah. But don't forget about the even bigger picture as well.

I think there's two tracks for AI "artists" at this point.

1. Scammers and other rubes using it the same way the NFT market went, getting in as early as possible while crowing about how it's the future and everybody who doesn't go along with it is a luddite. These are the same people putting their Patreon/kofi/etc links under their galleries because people are definitely interested in paying real money for someone to type prompts. These are also the same category as the losers who [arstechnica.com] flooded a sci-fi mag with autogenerated GPTwhatever so badly that they had to shut down their open submissions policy. Pure scum, nothing redeeming whatsoever. They'll probably fade away once they realize nobody is falling for it the same way all the ape holders eventually quieted down.

2. Gullible artists who think taking the shortcut to end all shortcuts will bring them success. Just like some artists fell for the NFT scam out of desperation, some are now "just trying it out ha ha" with AI stuff, and immediately churning out the same garbage as everybody else using it. But sure, they'll be the one who stands on top that everybody sees despite looking the same as everybody else.

Funny thing is, AI is going to graduate towards the lowest common denominator hyperrendered paintover styles because that's the greatest volume of art people see and are trying to make and the AI responds accordingly. You can already see repeated patterns of style, highlighting/coloring/shading/etc, in the endless galleries the spammers here are dumping. Ever notice how styles of art turn up in hentai over the years with lots of artists jumping on the bandwagon to catch the wave? Now imagine that wave is a tsunami of identically styled art with little variation because it's become recursive and started feeding on itself, or the prompters picking that style because it's popular.

The reality of it is I don't think people are going to be interested in paying money for something they know took no effort to create. Even if an artist uses only their art in their training dataset, why would you want to buy something that's just a visual edition of running a find and replace script with a thesaurus? Even with all the cost cutting film, comics, and other media content producers/creators use, literally not doing anything but still asking for money for it is going to be a bridge too far. I know this doesn't matter to the "I pirate everything regardless" crowd (hence all the "haha you artists are losers I would never pay for your stuff anyways so this is right up my alley" AI lover cope in every spam gallery here), but for normal people it's not gonna fly.

Even if an artist uses only their art in their training dataset, why would you want to buy something that's just a visual edition of running a find and replace script with a thesaurus?

I must admit I would pay real money for comics with AI generated illustrations in some exceptional cases.

Say the artist has really interesting scripts or world-building and knows how to do decent layout but is not especially good at drawing – (s)he can draw but is quite slow. Then (s)he uses AI to create the comic panels (in order to produce more pages in less time), curates them, and retouches them.

I don’t see much difference between such comic production and music production using sequencers, samplers, and synthesizers. I have paid for such music for most of my life. I do often think the end product could sound better had the musician had a live band, but getting to hear a (largely) machine-made recording of a composition I like is better than getting to buy sheet music only.

However, I guess my comparison works better for non-AI-made 3D model comics. Most are garbage, some are really good. I have a hard time imagining what the comics market as well as the music market will look like in 10–20 years, once artists have discovered the true possibilities and limitations of AI, and wider audiences have formed their opinions on what is worth money and what is not.

This post has been edited by Katajanmarja: May 2 2023, 00:12

AI art should be purged.

Failing that, it should have a category button or proper tag so i can block it forever more easily.

I must admit I would pay real money for comics with AI generated illustrations in some exceptional cases.

Say the artist has really interesting scripts or world-building and knows how to do decent layout but is not especially good at drawing – (s)he can draw but is quite slow. Then (s)he uses AI to create the comic panels (in order to produce more pages in less time), curates them, and retouches them.

I would say the person should learn to draw or get someone who can in that case - or just stick to prose. Just my opinion.

I don’t see much difference between such comic production and music production using sequencers, samplers, and synthesizers. I have paid for such music for most of my life. I do often think the end product could sound better had the musician had a live band, but getting to hear a (largely) machine-made recording of a composition I like is better than getting to buy sheet music only.

Synthesizers and samplers can't autonomously create whole pieces of new music.
Buying a synthesizer is like buying paint or pastels. The paint is useless unless in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.
A synthesizer is just a way to make a different sound than other instruments can make, or to replicate the sounds of existing instruments for a fraction of the cost/in a way that it can be sequenced. It does relieve the user of the need to learn to play a flute to make flute-like sounds, but it does not prevent them from needing an understanding of tonality. It simply lets you substitute a saxaphone's "physical interface" for that of a sequencer or MIDI keyboard. A human is still usually necessary to create the played sequence or else to sit at a midi keyboard.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 2 2023, 02:02

AI tag so i can block it forever more easily.

you can block other:ai generated

Before this just becomes yet another "ai is bad plz delete" thread, it's been discussed to death already, not many who feel strongly enough to be vocal over it disagree with the sentiment of ai is shit, but theres a method of blacklisting it, I recommend people just do that if it's bothering them.

you can block other:ai generated

Before this just becomes yet another "ai is bad plz delete" thread, it's been discussed to death already, not many who feel strongly enough to be vocal over it disagree with the sentiment of ai is shit, but theres a method of blacklisting it, I recommend people just do that if it's bothering them.

What we're discussing in this thread you waltzed into and farted out a stupid comment everyone is already aware of is why you and the rest of the mod/admin team felt the need to defend this glurge so strongly? Why does EH need to host endless galleries of autogenerated spam? Why is it necessary to host content that endless volumes of it can be made in five minutes by anyone? What do you get out of protecting it?

I would say the person should learn to draw or get someone who can in that case - or just stick to prose. Just my opinion.

I love how in their defense to pretend they just have to do AI "art" they forgot the entire field of literature exists.

This post has been edited by fletchlives: May 4 2023, 18:46

What we're discussing in this thread you waltzed into and farted out a stupid comment everyone is already aware of is

At the time of my post, what I answered was the only thing being asked in the quoted post.

why you and the rest of the mod/admin team felt the need to defend this glurge so strongly?

Putting aside that not disallowing it ≠ defending it, and speaking only for myself and my own thoughts, there's difficulties with disallowing it, and those difficulties aren't worth it when those that don't like it, can just choose to not see it, and not everyone dislikes it either. Also bear in mind, in the hypothetical situation where it's disallowed, the criteria would just be the same as we use for the tag, which again, you can blacklist if it bothers you so much, you can literally just choose to not see it and move on.

I don't consider AI generated images to be art or of any value whatsoever to the site. If you want to see them just hit generate, if not you just end up with an endless flood of AI images.
Apparently the site wants to use up the bandwidth for infinite images that no one will ever look at with their 6 fingers, errors etc. But hey if you want some free points just generate images and upload all day.
Someone can just setup an auto generate and post bot.

I don't consider AI generated images to be art or of any value whatsoever to the site. If you want to see them just hit generate, if not you just end up with an endless flood of AI images.
Apparently the site wants to use up the bandwidth for infinite images that no one will ever look at with their 6 fingers, errors etc. But hey if you want some free points just generate images and upload all day.
Someone can just setup an auto generate and post bot.

If it's banned, though, I think the problem shank is talking about is that people will submarine their AI generated galleries without mentioning that they are AI generated. It's pretty hard to tell, and at worse it could hasten the rise of drawbots trained to fool AI detection bots.

At least some users are currently being honest. And I appreciate that (although I would appreciate it more if they just weren't posting that shit at all).

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: May 5 2023, 06:17

AI generated art is art. Low-quality or low-effort content was accepted to the site long before AI generated art was a thing. It may be argued that the amount of low-effort content in AI is higher than in traditionally drawn content, but excluding high-quality art from the site based on that sounds silly. And, most importantly

you can block other:ai generated

If it's banned, though, I think the problem shank is talking about is that people will submarine their AI generated galleries without mentioning that they are AI generated. It's pretty hard to tell, and at worse it could hasten the rise of drawbots trained to fool AI detection bots.

At least some users are currently being honest. And I appreciate that (although I would appreciate it more if they just weren't posting that shit at all).

There's also the reverse. People falsely calling something AI generated when it's not. It may not happen that much, but it's more damaging when it happens.

Personally, I don't like most of the AI stuff here(as some people have mentioned, it's kinda samey), but I consider it a step above realdoll.