[X] My Assistant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfgmWQBHk9I&t=6537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6AVoWJdpd0&t=4498

These are funny clips, please watch and listen carefully before you vote.

Note that the topic question asks how the person's voice sounds, not what you believe they are because of whatever reasons. If their appearance influences you that's fine, but try not to let it. If you have secret knowledge of who these people really are because you are their simp or stalker, do not let that influence you. If you watch enough of these videos, some eventually may leak their age, gender, or marital status (which apparently causes some of them to retire, sadly).

Also if you are brave, post what you voted and give any comments you feel like on any topic, so the rest of us can laugh at you. I voted: Yellow person natural boy, Blue person natural obvious girl, and I like both of them.

all vtubers are males with a voice changer

All women are post-op transsexuals.

Seriously, at this point, transphobes have devolved into lunacy to such an extent that they accuse random cis women of being trans all the time. Born cis? You'll get the same horseshit. Might as well just tune them out.

And the haters always turn out to be people who are miserable in real life.

This post has been edited by Necromusume: Feb 27 2023, 22:28

I admit my votes are worth nothing since I have almost zero experience of voice changers, but perhaps Splashie is interested in my ramblings anyway?

I voted "cannot tell" – "probably girl" – "cannot tell" – "probably girl" – "yellow".

However, I do perceive both voices as vaguely weird. Both are, on average, less masculine than the voices of my MtF acquaintances (those ones I’ve heard offline or online). But there is a strange vibe about these ones, here and there making me feel they sound more like boys in their earliest puberty (I’d probably feel so even without the context that raises questions) and occasionally making me feel they sound like adult males (I doubt I’d perceive this without the context).

Comparing the two to each other, the yellow person sounds consistently less masculine. The blue person sounds slightly more masculine on average, but also has moments when sie sounds clearly more feminine than the yellow person. This goes especially for whenever the blue one bursts out laughing.

transphobes have devolved into lunacy

Devolved?

I thought "there are no girls on the Internet" was a meme more than twenty years ago already, and it led to accusations like that on a regular basis.

The oldest story of that sort that I’ve personally heard must be from 2008 or earlier (told to me by a cis female acquaintance during an offline meet-up). She had gotten the "Fuckin’ transie!" comment after sharing a photo of herself – before that, she had unknowingly "passed" as a cis male on IRC with absolutely no effort.

Oh, but maybe you mean said accusations are becoming commonplace in offline contexts as well?

This post has been edited by Katajanmarja: Feb 27 2023, 23:50

I admit my votes are worth nothing since I have almost zero experience of voice changers, but perhaps Splashie is interested in my ramblings anyway?

So long as neither of these are using any voice changer, then your vote is worth just as much as anyone else's. I can't say why, but voice gender interpretation varies wildly among individuals. I probably have more first hand experience dealing with this online than almost anyone.

I perceive both voices as vaguely weird. Both are, on average, less masculine than the voices of my MtF acquaintances. But there is a strange vibe about these ones, here and there making me feel they sound more like boys in their earliest puberty (I’d probably feel so even without the context that raises questions) and occasionally making me feel they sound like adult males (I doubt I’d perceive this without the context).

I perceive both voices as completely normal for girls, even the one I voted as being a boy. Probably less common for Japanese (both are real life women with mixed Japanese ethnicity, from my very minimal stalking, like a few days or less). But yeah, I definitely chose these two for this question as serious contestants.

Comparing the two to each other, the yellow person sounds consistently less masculine. The blue person sounds slightly more masculine on average, but also has moments when she sounds clearly more feminine than the yellow person. This goes especially for whenever the blue one bursts out laughing.

This is not apparent from watching just this video, but the yellow person never laughs. For whatever unknown and possibly multiple reasons, she has supposedly refined her mannerisms such that she laughs silently, and the few times she can't stop, she mutes herself. Yellow is probably laughing in both clips but is just muted or doing whatever it is they normally do.

The fact that the yellow person never lets anyone hear them laugh could be used as a clue to their gender, but it could swing the balance either way in my opinion. Yellow says "hehe" a lot instead, like the actual words in a low voice, in place of laughing. My own mannerisms are similar to the yellow person, and I also try to never let anyone hear me laugh. This is mostly due to personal issues unrelated to my voice, but it is also because of my voice. Okay I might as well explain: my voice is probably quite similar to the yellow person's voice.

Thinking a bit more about the laughter. I've had a few people tell me that I sound like a guy but aren't sure, then once I laugh they said they are sure I'm a girl and will never doubt again. However according to my own ear, my laugh sounds like a dude more than my speaking voice does, so if I'm trying to pretend to be a girl, then I need to never laugh (hints regarding Yellow here). Note I don't pretend to be a girl. I'm a strong man destroyer of weaklings.

It's not in these particular clips but Yellow has a stuffed animal voice they use a lot (you'll hear it if you watch the whole video; it also plays whenever someone gives them money). It might be identical to mine such that even I can't tell us apart. However, I think it's clearly a guy's stuffed animal voice (like Charmander or cross-dressing James in the original Pokemon dubs). Blue will never use that kind of voice normally, but they have one short video of attempting one on their main site, and it sounds absolutely ultra girly like the littlest cute girl that I've ever heard.

all vtubers are males with a voice changer

Just wait until you hear me. I don't need a voice changer. Nor do I even need to alter my voice from how I normally speak. I am just so manly and powerful that some people's brains short circuit and they think I sound like a girl.

Yes, all of the above.

I can't say why, but voice gender interpretation varies wildly among individuals.

One extra factor, albeit hardly the main one, is that there are cultural differences between default pitches.

I’ve spent a slice of my life in a foreign culture where the default pitch, especially that of male speakers, is noticeably higher than in my own. That experience has probably modified my idea of the male pitch spectrum.

It's not in these particular clips but Yellow has a stuffed animal voice they use a lot (you'll hear it if you watch the whole video; it also plays whenever someone gives them money).

While I did not watch the entirety of either video, I did watch several passages of both, seeing and hearing some of those donation clips.


(After having voted, I also read a bit into the ’tubers, especially the yellow one, and learned several highly useful facts, including the muted laughter one. My guess is that she (?) mutes her laughter in order to polish her intended "incredibly calm" personality.

I don’t usually find ’tubers interesting enough to spend my time on them. Yet I’m interested in them, especially the virtual ones, as a phenomenon. This thread has provided me with a nice motivation to learn a bit more.)

Cannot tell/think they sound like a girl/cannot tell/think they sound like a girl/I don't know or don't like either.

They sound like they are probably cis women to me, but humans have a lot of vocal range/differences.

To me, when asked as in the original post, they sound a little like pre-pubescent boys, but their voices are absolutely within a typical range for adult cis women as well (if somewhat on the lower side). I know some women who talk a little like this. At the very least, the expressions they use make them sound very tomboyish, if they are girls. But I'll default to saying they sound like girls because I know nothing else.

I don't like vtubers generally speaking and I know nothing about these people in particular *as people*, so it would be odd for me to jump to such conclusions about whether I "like" them over listening to them talk while playing a video game.

All women are post-op transsexuals.

Seriously, at this point, transphobes have devolved into lunacy to such an extent that they accuse random cis women of being trans all the time. Born cis? You'll get the same horseshit. Might as well just tune them out.

And the haters always turn out to be people who are miserable in real life.

Very nicely said.
To me, I might internally take a guess at if someone's a boy or girl based on voice, but the world has all kinds of people in it.

I don’t usually find ’tubers interesting enough to spend my time on them.

Could not agree more. It just feels weird to me. Although I don't really get watching others that I don't know playing video games, either.

Also, the boob window on blue's outfit in the thumbnail for the video tells me all about the audience this video is targeting.

The fact that the yellow person never lets anyone hear them laugh could be used as a clue to their gender, but it could swing the balance either way in my opinion. Yellow says "hehe" a lot instead, like the actual words in a low voice, in place of laughing. My own mannerisms are similar to the yellow person, and I also try to never let anyone hear me laugh. This is mostly due to personal issues unrelated to my voice, but it is also because of my voice. Okay I might as well explain: my voice is probably quite similar to the yellow person's voice.

Thinking a bit more about the laughter. I've had a few people tell me that I sound like a guy but aren't sure, then once I laugh they said they are sure I'm a girl and will never doubt again. However according to my own ear, my laugh sounds like a dude more than my speaking voice does, so if I'm trying to pretend to be a girl, then I need to never laugh (hints regarding Yellow here).

That's interesting.

I've once been told (by a trans girl) that she thought I could probably sound either masculine or feminine fairly effortlessly... and that they were envious of that. But I don't usually spend a lot of time paying attention to my own voice, myself. Not sure if she meant that my range is just like that, or if it means that I enunciate some words in a feminine way, or something else entirely.

I've noticed women (at least in american english) often seem to 'trail off' at the end of their words vocally, where it seems like men often put a harder stop at the ends of words. I sometimes have caught myself doing both, if I'm feeling particularly aware of my own speech patterns on a given day. I suppose I'd sound more like yellow than like blue, though, if I did.

My voice does tend to go up an octave or two when I'm excited/animatedly talking.

I have basically never been identified as a woman, though (an eight year old did once, almost a decade ago now. I think that's because my hair was long or something).

One extra factor, albeit hardly the main one, is that there are cultural differences between default pitches.

I have thought about that, too. When I hear anime VA's singing songs, they sometimes use a very different register than they do when voicing their characters normally. Often it's higher than their speaking register.

It took me a really long time to even figure out that the VA's in Bubblegum Crisis were actually the ones singing a huge majority of the songs in BGC's soundtrack. Priss's VA (Kinuko Oomori) sounds MUCH more boyish/low registered in speech than in songs. I could have guessed Linna's VA was doing them if I didn't know better now. In speech she uses a lower register than she almost ever hits in song. She sounds a little like the yellow one here in normal speech.
Kinuko Oomori: Chase the Dream
^ highly recommend listening rather than skipping over. Just because I like the music. I didn't embed because I know it's not strictly necessary to make my point, if I even have one.

You can also hear how high Linna's VA (Michie Tomizawa) can go compared to her voice in the anime proper. Right up into Nene's range. Heard side by side with something sung by Akiko Hiramatsu, though, it becomes more obvious. If you hate the song or something, skip to 3:35 and listen to the end and you'll get the idea.
Michie Tomizawa: Midnight Étoile

all vtubers are males with a voice changer

Some don't even use a voice changer or try. Part of the joke here I think:

That's from the "Charlie The Unicorn/Llamas With Hats" guy.
It's Hololive meets Space Ghost: Coast to Coast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6TNe4FlirA

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Feb 28 2023, 23:11

Katanmarja, well if you are used to higher pitched male voices, then my guess would be that you'd have a higher chance of classifying these girls as male, but hmm they are still girls to you. I was listening to other videos of Yellow and now I think she might be more girly than me after all. Nice cute girl.

Hard to say because you don't sound the same to yourself as to other people, or in a recording. I have the worst cringe possible to my own voice. Other people generally like my voice until they find out I'm not a girl then a few turn homicidal or suicidal.

I've once been told I could probably sound either masculine or feminine fairly effortlessly... and that they were envious of that. But I don't usually spend a lot of time paying attention to my own voice, myself. Not sure if she meant that my range is just like that, or if it means that I enunciate some words in a feminine way, or something else entirely.

My voice does tend to go up an octave or two when I'm excited/animatedly talking.

I usually don't pay attention my own voice. In high school, the only couple guys who made fun of my voice were bullies, so I couldn't care less what they think, and I just punch them in the face.

In college, I did ask all my friends if I sound gay, and they all said I don't sound the slightest bit gay. That's all that matters to me. Cause I'm strong and I kick butt. I did not think to ask the more important question though (or if I did, I forgot their answer).

Not until I was an ossan and I played online games for the first time did I realize how severe my problem is. Haha. It doesn't matter if I get called maam when I order food or talk on the phone. But it can sort of matter online if your friends get shocked one day and go bonkers.

I don't have a feminine or gay speech pattern. It's voice pitch and timbre. Although I consider myself to sound like a guy, even I have to acknowledge that I push the limit, and I cannot sound like a normal guy even with great effort. I was copying the girls when they were making the gorilla voices in the second clip, and I can't get much lower than Yellow, and choke just like them.

Japanese players have a greater chance of classifying my voice as female, even though I feel asian voices especially women are higher pitched. I attribute this to two reasons. 1) They can't read my masculine speech patterns because I'm either speaking English or terrible Japanese. 2) Japanese have the reverse social mentality of Americans. Whereas we here are suspicious and want to say everyone is a dude, even to the point of mocking real women...the Japanese are fine with pretending everyone is a woman, sending hearts to even obvious male vtubers who are using a voice changer.

Even though I write all over the place to the Japanese players that I am a guy, they seem to be ignoring that and it keeps spreading that I'm female based on rare voice clips in other people's streams that they hear from time to time. They also spread that I'm a hentai (based on some misunderstanding) but everyone is so perverted in Japan now that even girls can be hentai.

Voice going up by an octave+ in daily speech seems like too much. I don't think even girls do that much unless they are making stuffed animal voice. Maybe I'm wrong, never tried to check.

I have thought about that, too. When I hear anime VA's singing songs, they sometimes use a very different register than they do when voicing their characters normally. Often it's higher than their speaking register.

Well songs will force the singer to go as high as the song demands. I don't recall how Priss sounds normally, but I hear a deep-voiced female singer in the song. I call this the classic 80's deep-voice Japanese female singer.

I didn't really watch BGC much but I like this second girl, uh I guess it's Linna. I like short hair girls. Even her singing voice sounds slightly lower than the Japanese female average to me. Don't remember how she sounds speaking.

As mentioned the majority of actual vtubers are guys using voice changer into girl; some of these are more detectable than others. But also there are a lot of guys with a girl character who just use their obvious dude voice. I don't know if it's a joke, or they just don't care, or what. I don't link any to keep my identity private for now.

Actually that video is not so good because even all the guy vtubers like Holostars mostly have girl faces on dude bodies. Or even have girl faces on bodies which could look like girl bodies. But none of them have really girly natural voices. It's quite...disappointing? So for now it's still up to me to maybe show people what a true degenerate sounds like, someday.

Oh yeah also a lot of dubs are starting to piss me off because American and even Japanese voice actors are lacking a guy who truly sounds like a girl. In my opinion. I can't stand hearing a bunch of VAs that are in use today. I want to kill them. This is also why I'm not as critical about cringey vtubers as might be expected. In my opinion, the better vtubers are as good as real VAs. I'm expecting that eventually they are going to mix together.

Japanese players have a greater chance of classifying my voice as female, even though I feel asian voices especially women are higher pitched. I attribute this to two reasons. 1) They can't read my masculine speech patterns because I'm either speaking English or terrible Japanese. 2) Japanese have the reverse social mentality of Americans. Whereas we here are suspicious and want to say everyone is a dude, even to the point of mocking real women...the Japanese are fine with pretending everyone is a woman, sending hearts to even obvious male vtubers who are using a voice changer.

The actual language itself might have something to do with it. There are gendered words, of course ("Oh" means a king, specifically a male ruler, for instance), but in everyday speech it is pretty easy to avoid using gendered words when talking about someone in Japanese, especially if conscious effort is made to avoid disclosure. Sure, some words ('boku' for instance) are more likely to be spoken by speakers of one gender than the other, but that's still not a steadfast rule, and it is also easy to just say 'watashi' instead if you are avoiding disclosing gender.

I remember hearing about a study on NPR just the other day that found that small children learning Finnish took something like six to nine months (or was it weeks? - my memory says "months") longer than people in countries with more gendered languages/pronouns to reliably identify themselves as boys or girls.

Sort of like how in some languages that express all directions as cardinal directions (not as common to use things like "left" and "right" to describe positions of things), speakers have much better sense of their geographical orientation (and which way north is) at any given time. [www.scientificamerican.com] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/...shapes-thought/

I don't recall how Priss sounds normally, but I hear a deep-voiced female singer in the song. I call this the classic 80's deep-voice Japanese female singer.

This is what I consider an 80s deep female japanese pop voice to sound like.
If blocked, song is "Rock Me," artist is Yuiko Tsubokura. alt link. "Ikari o komite hashire" is another good one by her. Might actually be better, but the voice is on full display here.

Another alt link, not sure what country you're in.

I think Oomori just has a wide range. "Remember" is a song she performs where she ends up going a bit higher on a few occasions. She is definitely not squeaky, though.

In college, I did ask all my friends if I sound gay, and they all said I don't sound the slightest bit gay. That's all that matters to me. Cause I'm strong and I kick butt. I did not think to ask the more important question though (or if I did, I forgot their answer).

I never have asked or particularly cared, except insofar as I find myself attracted to women, and don't want the exact people I'm interested in to think I' not interested in them.

People can think what they want of me, otherwise. As long as they aren't seeking to hurt me.

A girl I worked with once did ask me if I was gay, actually.

Another girl (a gay one, actually) I worked with was also there, and she interjected, saying something like "I wondered about that at first, but I don't think so" when I asked what she thought of me.
It was a little bewildering to me, but interesting/amusing to hear how other people see me.

I do not consider myself to be gay... I consider myself to be me.

I replied something like "I don't think so, but only a Sith deals in absolutes." Because I don't like ruling things out and artifically constraining my ability to experience life/arbitrarily closing doors for myself.

I can confidently say I have yet to be attracted to a guy, and that I don't think it's particularly likely to happen.

I don't have a feminine or gay speech pattern. It's voice pitch and timbre. Although I consider myself to sound like a guy, even I have to acknowledge that I push the limit, and I cannot sound like a normal guy even with great effort. I was copying the girls when they were making the gorilla voices in the second clip, and I can't get much lower than Yellow, and choke just like them.

I have a pretty wide range, and am most comfortable singing either in bass or in falsetto. I crack right in the middle of tenor.

Even though I write all over the place to the Japanese players that I am a guy, they seem to be ignoring that and it keeps spreading that I'm female based on rare voice clips in other people's streams that they hear from time to time. They also spread that I'm a hentai (based on some misunderstanding) but everyone is so perverted in Japan now that even girls can be hentai.

Voice going up by an octave+ in daily speech seems like too much. I don't think even girls do that much unless they are making stuffed animal voice. Maybe I'm wrong, never tried to check.

When I'm tired, I tend to speak in a deeper bass range. But when I'm at work or something, I do definitely go much, much higher.

I didn't really watch BGC much but I like this second girl, uh I guess it's Linna. I like short hair girls.

As do I. And yes, it is Linna.

Even her singing voice sounds slightly lower than the Japanese female average to me. Don't remember how she sounds speaking.

She voices sailor mars, too, if that helps. IDK what she sounds like there, though; still haven't watched any Sailor Moon.

Oh yeah also a lot of dubs are starting to piss me off because American and even Japanese voice actors are lacking a guy who truly sounds like a girl. In my opinion. I can't stand hearing a bunch of VAs that are in use today. I want to kill them. This is also why I'm not as critical about cringey vtubers as might be expected. In my opinion, the better vtubers are as good as real VAs. I'm expecting that eventually they are going to mix together.

I had never thought of that, but that actually makes a lot of sense.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Mar 1 2023, 08:06

Katanmarja, well if you are used to higher pitched male voices, then my guess would be that you'd have a higher chance of classifying these girls as male

My theory is that that’s why I had these occasional "Hey, still a grown-up male after all?" moments while listening.

Otherwise the range would just have been, "Woman, girl? Somehow weirdly ageless woman? Somehow boyish woman (and yet so different from those who voice-act as Kirisame)...? Uh, very young teenage boy?"

I have the worst cringe possible to my own voice.

I think that phenomenon is even more common than you realize. In most cases, it has little to do with the "sounds male"/"sounds female" dilemma.

Other people generally like my voice until they find out I'm not a girl then a few turn homicidal or suicidal.

I do understand that you are trying to process a trauma of yours here, but from my point of view, these reactions are just symptoms of the world being sick.

Turning suicidal sounds like the person in question is incredibly lonely, and your voice has given him a most exceptional faint hope that he could, one day, find a soul mate of the opposite sex who actually shares some of his interests and world views. Even before that, he’s been standing on the edge for quite a while, and now he suddenly feels he’s plummeting into the abyss.

Turning homicidal reminds me of all the negative sides of the "we hate traps" culture. I’ve been vaguely aware of its existence since an early age, but it didn’t hit me for real until I started frequenting websites related to manga, anime, and VNs.

Sure, it’s quite understandable if somebody dislikes getting actively "trapped". We are entitled to our personal preferences. It’s not nice to give someone a layer cake that totally looks like a sweet confection but is, in fact, filled with herring fillets (as a prank or with the pretext of "he’ll learn to like it once he’s been forced to taste it").

But turning furious, even homicidal, after mistakenly fapping to (or falling in love with) a random picture of Astolfo that no one has claimed to portray a girl? Or taking drastic measures to avoid such a humiliating situation at all costs? Seriously, just how fragile is the western concept of manliness if that is among the worst things that could happen in everyday life? (I consider that most comparable to mistaking some gamer acquaintance for a female and developing some level of attraction towards said assumed female.)

If even a sizable minority of the people turning homicidal or suicidal are women, then please correct me and I’ll admit my use of pronouns above was erroneous.

I hope hearing my point of view might be helpful in some way, yet I’m not sure whether it comforts you the least bit. Almost always when I’m told, "Hey, don’t fret, it’s not your fault, people are just effed up like that", my reaction is, "Well, great. The world is so much easier to fix than little old me would be..."

This post has been edited by Katajanmarja: Mar 1 2023, 06:52

But turning furious, even homicidal, after mistakenly fapping to (or falling in love with) a random picture of Astolfo that no one has claimed to portray a girl? Or taking drastic measures to avoid such a humiliating situation at all costs? Seriously, just how fragile is the western concept of manliness if that is among the worst things that could happen in everyday life? (I consider that most comparable to mistaking some gamer acquaintance for a female and developing some level of attraction towards said assumed female.)

This is one thing that I really don't get in general: peoples' continuing preoccupation with gender as one of the things that they center their entire personalities and senses of identity around.

There has to be something we are doing culturally that makes people think of themselves in these terms; I can't imagine it's actually biologically enforced (although perhaps some behavioral impulses associated with men versus women could be).

I think a lot of people must perceive some intense pressure or impetus to categorize themselves into an 'in' group and fit a role to the point where they start actively convincing themselves that that role is something inherent or fundamental about them. At this point they start to determine their actions based on an idea they've conjured of what some theoretical "real man" or "true hero" or whatever would do in the situation, in an attempt to project their sense of self onto others and to validate themselves.

I think this preoccupation with categorization and these culturally imparted 'values' must be responsible for a lot of our problems with self worth.

i have been asked about my self-esteem before, and my typical response is that I don't have any.
Don't know if that's true, or if my self-esteem is so ridiculously high that I've convinced myself I have no need for a sense of self esteem at all.

I like to think that I'm mostly humble but also not afraid to try to speak my thoughts. I know I like to help others if I can, and that I like learning more about how others think.

OK, think I'm done making edits now.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Mar 1 2023, 08:29

Someone unknown just voted tweak, Yellow girl, tweak, Blue sure boy, no like. Now this contest is tied again! What a battle between Blue and Yellow! I did not expect it to be this close.

I should clarify that in my previous post, I was referring to male VAs who portray young boy characters. There is one in particular that is rampant in English dubs and I want to kill him as his voice is so annoying. He makes any show unwatchable and if only the dub is available on free TV, he must die. Just now though I was watching Pokemon dub Goh, and he's great (a male with normal dude voice who makes a fake boy voice, and it sounds great to me).

In Japan, pretty much all these young boy characters are instead voiced by female VA. That's avoided here, with exceptions like Ash Ketchum. I wonder if some of us have been tricked into misidentifying certain female voices as boys, because many anime boys are in fact voiced by women?

A girl I worked with once did ask me if I was gay, actually.

I've never once been asked if I was gay, that I can recall! Alright! I mostly ignore girls though in real life. I'm just a loner. If a girl walks up to me and randomly tries to introduce herself to me, I tend to dismiss them. I occasionally feel bad about this but I can't stop myself.

I've been visually misidentified a very few times in my life as female (I have short hair) this generally happened when I wore too little clothes and went outside. This is not a problem for me.

Personally, I am unconcerned with this gay phenomenon, and I (falsely) believe that no gay dudes exist except cute Astolfos, and all girls are lesbians (this came from hentai knowledge). I like Astolfo, but I didn't know what Astolfo was until I read about him here a couple years ago.

If even a sizable minority of the people turning homicidal or suicidal are women, then please correct me

You were correct, they were all dudes. Females' assessment of my voice tends to be the same as males on the whole. But have no reason to care if they misidentified my gender. A few might get a tiny bit creeped out at most.

*switches on /b/ mode*

Bart Simpson is the most dangerous transsexual of our era, a threat to the existence of everything that is sacred to us.

Since no one talked here for a long time, here are the final results (I might try to bring other voters in later, but if I recruit voters from anywhere the results could be said to be tampered).

Both vtubers were voted 3 natural voice, 1 tweaked voice, 2 can't tell.
Yellow was voted 1 guy, 4 girl, 1 sure girl.
Blue was voted 1 sure guy, 3 girl, 2 sure girl.
(and 2 people preferred Yellow, 2 people liked both, and 2 people didn't know yet...not like this matters)

Okay major request, please DO NOT quote this post, anyone. Huge security flaw incoming, and I will likely take this down after a short while.

Clip of Yellow speaking

Once in a great while [voca.ro] Yellow will say something almost exactly like I would, to the point that I cringe hearing someone else because I think it's [voca.ro] my voice. If your PC is fast enough you can play my voice clip simultaneously with the Youtube video (better sound quality than the re-recorded link).

Except for the dumb noise at the beginning (since it's not something I'd normally make) I wasn't trying to copy Yellow, I just said the same words in my completely normal manliest voice, as I'd normally say them. I did only one take for this (normally I think we might sound more similar than this if we say the same thing and if she isn't acting girly, which is like half the time since she might be a real girl, while I'm a super strong guy who can even win the holy grail war like Astolfo did).

You can plug those two clips into [voicegender.herokuapp.com] https://voicegender.herokuapp.com/ which I had found recently, but the site wasn't working before and now it is. It's a bunch of five AI which try to guess your gender from voice clips. It's kind of crappy BS probably. It seems to weigh both the pitch and timbre of your voice but also the speech style quite heavily. You can trick it in all sorts of ways.

With my normal voice it can't tell what I am, and occasionally comes back all male or all female even if I am talking the same. Worse yet, it may give 100% confidence in either direction on pretty much the same thing with my voice. On the majority of my voice samples it is unsure and gives mixed male/female (more male usually) and could even flip its decision on the exact same recording if it's time shifted or something.

The gender recognition AI performs the same on Yellow from what few voice samples I fed it, while I think it is 100% sure Blue is a girl at all times. I guess I agree with the AI, except it's just too easy to trick. I don't like how it weighs the manner in which you speak, it should have an option to de-select this from its algorithm.

....Yeah, my voice makes me retch. Everyone feel free to throw tomatoes at me.

Thank you for offering us this interesting little trip.

For what it’s worth, I don’t feel like throwing over-priced vegetables at you. I just hope you keep winning like Astolfo. Splish splash. ♥

Hey look guys, I was right!

Some random confirmed dude just appeared on those hololive vtuber streams, and everyone immediately said the person sounded exactly like Yellow! So now everyone will realize Yellow truly sounds like a guy. Not sure that's good for her, but I think she has enough fans by now that she won't be screwed.

Now I can finally be confident that I sound like a guy, since our voice is now confirmed 2 males and 1 possible female (Yellow herself not confirmed in my opinion).

...Although it's a guy who can sing ultra good like a girl (original version here which is apparently by that other vtuber). Even had me absolutely fooled, but I went to check a bunch of his other songs and then I could (barely) tell.

This means that I should be able to sing like a girl too, enough to even fool myself. I don't know how to sing (it's only for girls and vtubers, which I am not yet). But I know that I can make a bunch of different kinds of voices. I instinctively think that I can make this voice too, but it's not in my standard repertoire.

Yellow's high little girl voice is similar to my male stuffed animal voice, tweaked to be slightly higher, but it's not really what this dude uses to sing. That voice is slightly lower but it's created to sound as ultra female gendered as possible, at the expense of losing some singing frequency range (both high and low). I suspect it would be what I'd call my female stuffed animal voice, if I practiced it.

Yellow is a better girl than me, since I can't hit her high note in her little girl happy birthday as well as she can, in that same voice at normal volume.

I sound like total crap, but right now the singing voice I tend to use is just some weird thing that I came up with to enable to sing practically any song no matter how high or low it goes, without having to raise or lower the pitch key of the song. (It's not my stuffed animal voice anymore). I can get to the high note of this mafumafu song without cheating like I think he does (I think he uses that synthesizer thing for those high notes because it sounds really weird). Mafumafu is a dude too by the way, but his real voice isn't as high as mine or our Yellow singing copycat.

And almost any song, I can sing in two octaves, either in dude voice (like my prior post's recording which I ought to erase) or weird high voice, although my dude voice is not that low especially outside of my own head, also it shockingly doesn't really sound that tremendously different from my weird high voice if I record it and play it back.

Just so you know, I’m still following your adventures with interest. I just don’t have much to say.

Fooling around with a voice changer might be fun if I had extra free time. To test all the possibilities in all directions, wondering how many of the results could be mistaken for a real human voice.

Oh wow, that guy almost won. I would probably have voted for 1 or 2 other real girls, but out of the 3 chosen grand finalists, I would have voted for him. And there were tons of entries it seems, we just didn't get to hear most of them (they were probably really bad). At the end of the full stream, there are also a blob of honorable mention entries that weren't featured, and some of those were really good to me too. And some were really bad like total amateur that even I can tell something is wrong (yeah and I must be worse than them, for sure, but that's okay since I'm from warrior class).

There was one other guy who sang like a girl good too, although he had a semi-normal male voice (just on high end). And a bunch of normal guys. Blech how dare you guys pollute a girl song.

Anyway, here's a different video of Blue and in some parts she sounds like a boy, although I think she is obviously 200% female (but not 1000%, she could be like a little boy). Maybe it's just her choice of words. She says "dude" and "man" and stuff sometimes.

I have to take back what I just said.

Although she had never recorded a song when I made this thread (which is unusual enough for hololive to be a point of suspicion in and of itself) now Yellow has.

Based on the way and the quality she sings, I am 72% sure that Yellow is actually the same person as the independent streamer and singer who entered (and almost won) the hololive contest above. It's typical for famous vtubers in hololive to have a secondary prior account that they rarely use, which is how they auditioned or were discovered in the first place, and this is probably Yellow's original account.

Not only is their speaking voice similar, but when their singing voice (which is quite different) is also identical, they have to be the same person. Compare that Yellow song recording with this. Even the way they like to make the visual drawings is similar.

Everyone in the comments was saying "Wow Yellow secretly trained singing so much to get this good!" but no they are wrong, I think Yellow was trained from the beginning and just kept it secret. Hmm, I'm comparing how Yellow sings to the original AKB48 song.

Aside from the obvious reasons that Yellow and the other person are likely the same person:
(they both speak Indonesian, which is from a country that I do not know where it is, is it the same as India and Donkey Kong)

• Yellow avoids vibrating her singing voice, a rare trait shared by the other singer. They generally prefer light to no vibrating
• They both sing at perfect pitch to me, which means it is better than my own hearing pitch, which is better than 80% of professional singers who sound off-tune to me
• Yellow's Japanese is not advanced, and she speaks awkwardly. But her pronounciation in Japanese songs sounds perfect and also identical to how the other streamer pronounces.
• The other streamer recently uploaded a short random clip of them playing a game. Yellow plays a lot of games. This allows me to use my sharingan eye to detect their power level from how they move around.

I notice the vibrating voice thing because that's also what I prefer in singers, and as I'm a strong guy and singing is only for girls, I likewise practiced singing stupidly with no vibration. It took me maybe half a year to even figure out how to vibrate my voice. I found out by accident, then became pretty effortless at it though. I think if you dare to sing without vibration then your pitch has to be perfect, which like only 1% of people have.

Anyway watching Yellow's streams is helpful for me because it can teach me how to use and control my own weird voice. It also helps me lower my cringe to hearing my own voice, although it's not exactly the same (note: the hololive vtuber who hosted the contest also said "hmm your voice is like Yellow but not exactly the same" but now I think they were the same person after all)