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Nov 5 2022, 13:10
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jobi123
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Why is it that when I input 1 in the Seek/Jump navigation for a tag, the page that shows up is a month or even months into the past instead of a day and such? Shouldn't the page not move at all? 1m takes me to September. This doesn't make sense to me.
This post has been edited by jobi123: Nov 5 2022, 13:13
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Nov 5 2022, 13:23
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baha815
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Everything is going to shit Movies, Games, Life... even your favorite Hentai site 😞
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Nov 5 2022, 13:23
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Kuzaku
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No page selector? New search engine is so uncomfortable. But if the server can't afford good old search engine, it must be replaced. We must accept this downgrade If necessary. I mean, do we have other option?
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Nov 5 2022, 13:24
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epa
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 5 2022, 12:02)  The site does not have the budget for an additional full rack of high-end servers just to provide the existing functionality with the existing limits, so the options were:
4. New servers. How much you need. Just tell us. We (at least I) gladly to help donating or even subscription method if you do.
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Nov 5 2022, 13:25
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aklfhl
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QUOTE(jobi123 @ Nov 5 2022, 19:10)  Why is it that when I input 1 in the Seek/Jump navigation for a tag, the page that shows up is a month or even months into the past instead of a day and such? Shouldn't the page not move at all? 1m takes me to September. This doesn't make sense to me.
There are no galleries that meet your conditions in 1d/1m, so it will dig further.
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Nov 5 2022, 13:41
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QUOTE(epa @ Nov 5 2022, 12:24)  4. New servers. How much you need. Just tell us. We (at least I) gladly to help donating or even subscription method if you do.
If we were to double the capacity for the core webserver cluster, $4500 per month. Which isn't really realistic even if people pinky-promise to increase donations by that much, and it's just a kick-the-can solution anyway.
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Nov 5 2022, 13:48
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Evyy
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I used this new jump feature without any search word/tag, and jump with "1". The first gallery link was posted "2022-11-04 23:59", so it's working as intended. In this same search I went back using prev link, to go back the most recent "GID". I had to click 11-12 times before I'm at the most recent GID, but noting one gallery name (in this search, it was [Reinbach] This Romantic World(ongoing) Ch.1-Ch.5 Link). In this particular GID, it wasn't full, and I do see new gallery being added/updated, as I go back and forth (prev/next) every other minute. It's okay so far. The only thing that I don't get is the GID in the browser tends to leap at times, I don't get it. The thing is, why can't you make a pagination of sorts using the "GID system"? For example : 1) You are on the main page, you are on the most recent GID, this is "page 1" 2) Like old system, there are page numbers. "Page 2" is like using "Next" from the GID reference (in this example the main page, the most recent GID). 3) Page 3 is like using Next twice from Page 1, and so on and so forth. Is this stupid? As in it still has the same issues you've encountered
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Nov 5 2022, 13:52
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(Evyy @ Nov 5 2022, 12:48)  The thing is, why can't you make a pagination of sorts using the "GID system"? For example : 1) You are on the main page, you are on the most recent GID, this is "page 1" 2) Like old system, there are page numbers. "Page 2" is like using "Next" from the GID reference (in this example the main page, the most recent GID). 3) Page 3 is like using Next twice from Page 1, and so on and so forth.
Is this stupid? As in it still has the same issues you've encountered
People have suggested that elsewhere, so I'll just paste my reply to them. QUOTE It did this early in the development, but there are just too many issues with it. Among other things, if you start from the end of a search result, it only knows how many pages you are from the end; if new galleries are added in a search result after you start clicking "Next", and you start going "Back" again, it would have more galleries before "Page 1"; and if you mess with the navigation or jump into a result at any point, it would just be confused as fuck. So I dropped that entire thing.
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Nov 5 2022, 13:53
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Kagoraphobia
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QUOTE(epa @ Nov 5 2022, 11:24)  4. New servers. How much you need. Just tell us. We (at least I) gladly to help donating or even subscription method if you do.
QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 5 2022, 11:41)  If we were to double the capacity for the core webserver cluster, $4500 per month.
Which isn't really realistic even if people pinky-promise to increase donations by that much, and it's just a kick-the-can solution anyway.
And FWIW, it took me like ~2 years just to even touch that amount of donation.
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Nov 5 2022, 13:55
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nasu
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QUOTE(Evyy @ Nov 5 2022, 11:48)  The thing is, why can't you make a pagination of sorts using the "GID system"? For example : 1) You are on the main page, you are on the most recent GID, this is "page 1" 2) Like old system, there are page numbers. "Page 2" is like using "Next" from the GID reference (in this example the main page, the most recent GID). 3) Page 3 is like using Next twice from Page 1, and so on and so forth.
Is this stupid? As in it still has the same issues you've encountered
As I understand it, the main benefit of this new system is that it does not rely on a traditional paged system but rather it will display X amount of results after a specific gallery ID. It is much, much "cheaper" for the servers to handle. A side effect of this is that there is no way to tell how many times you have pressed the next button, and if it was kept track of in the URL for example, it would likely be out of date by the time you went to go backwards or forwards a page leading to strange behavior where you would see far less than 50 results on a page in some cases if you went all the way back to the start. Hope that makes sense (since I just realised this whole paragraph is one sentence). ninjad again im going back to bed This post has been edited by nasu: Nov 5 2022, 13:56
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Nov 5 2022, 14:00
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mewsf
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It'd be interesting if we know the current webservers' processing power and gather all the gallery metadata, so that someone can try to build his own search solution with similar computing resources if he claims to be an expert.
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Nov 5 2022, 14:00
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epa
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 5 2022, 13:41)  If we were to double the capacity for the core webserver cluster, $4500 per month.
Which isn't really realistic even if people pinky-promise to increase donations by that much, and it's just a kick-the-can solution anyway.
Do some game. Bring back page number. Put target donation chart and if subscription/donation don't reach the target to pay maint new server each month, you roll back to this GID search. (I'm joking anyway, but might be good idea to see some chaos, lol.) This post has been edited by epa: Nov 5 2022, 14:01
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Nov 5 2022, 14:18
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rediced
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Don't know if it is intentional, but the search results with the filter options "Browse Expunged Galleries" or "Search Low-Power Tags" activ only show galleries, that have this property, instead of, also with this property, like it was before the change.
Is this wanted behavior?
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Nov 5 2022, 14:25
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UDONN2
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Contains strange English due to the use of a translator. My question is, is it possible to show the number of submissions in Next and Prev. For example like this.
Found 125 results. 75< Prev Jump/Seek Next >25
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Nov 5 2022, 14:32
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sr331
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gonna be honest here, this update is like putting a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
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Nov 5 2022, 14:43
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bloodvlad
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Looks like the seek/jump feature is a little broken, when I jump to "2015-10" I get galleries "2015-10-31" and if I go up to the left a whole month is missing, it gives me "2015-11-01" and immediately "2015-12-01". If I go down to the right of "2015-10-31" it gives me "2015-12-24" then "2015-11-04" and then galleries "2015-10-31" appear again. The selected types are "Dujinshi, manga, artis cg, game cg". [ imgur.com] result[ imgur.com] Next button pressedQuck edit. I'm either an idiot or it's completely broken. The same thing in every jump. just some random galleries appears in results. This post has been edited by bloodvlad: Nov 5 2022, 15:06
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Nov 5 2022, 14:54
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mundomuñeca
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 5 2022, 12:41)  If we were to double the capacity for the core webserver cluster, $4500 per month.
Which isn't really realistic even if people pinky-promise to increase donations by that much, and it's just a kick-the-can solution anyway.
And this is just core hardware costs ... there are others. Besides, doubling h/w just means doubling capacity, which means it would be probably overwhelmed again in like 2 or 3 years at current rate of site archive increase. Unless we also ask to restrict what can be uploaded, like it was done with "asianporn" category years ago (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Like 10b says, it's just a kick-the-can-again ind of solution. I too don't like having to loose some UI functionality, of which I was a heavy user; but I can understand the reasons why, and I'm sure they are strictly technical, no dark complot from corporate's greymen involved. To people claiming they are devs/programmers/whatever and say "you can do it easily like this or that, using this tool/framework/database/whatever" I can only say I wouldn't hire you in any serious development effort, not even for your mother's sake. You do not know quite obviously what you're messing with. Perhaps we should ask Elon Musk if he's willing to fund E-H, after having bought Twitter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) After all, he could well be a manga fan. Do any of you complainers know him/is a friend of his ? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(rediced @ Nov 5 2022, 13:18)  Don't know if it is intentional, but the search results with the filter options "Browse Expunged Galleries" or "Search Low-Power Tags" activ only show galleries, that have this property, instead of, also with this property, like it was before the change.
Is this wanted behavior?
Yes, it is (read through the first post till the end, it's written there). This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Nov 5 2022, 14:58
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Nov 5 2022, 14:58
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Kagoraphobia
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QUOTE(mundomuñeca @ Nov 5 2022, 12:54)  Perhaps we should ask Elon Musk if he's willing to fund E-H
Oh, fuck no. You keep that out-of-touch rich kid away from my comfort zone.
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Nov 5 2022, 15:08
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mundomuñeca
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QUOTE(PrincessKaguya @ Nov 5 2022, 13:58)  Oh, fuck no. You keep that out-of-touch rich kid away from my comfort zone.
How do you know he's not already lurking here, disguised under some unpretentious account ? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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Nov 5 2022, 15:12
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FabulousCupcake
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Some thoughts/feedbacks: The jump/seek is a nice addition, but the usage is a bit clunky at the moment, requiring you to click, type, and back to clicking. I think it could be improved so it's usable by only clicking (see below) and/or keyboard input. I made a script to show what I meant / an example to solve this: [ gist.github.com] https://gist.github.com/FabulousCupcake/f85...13f565aad08afd3(IMG:[ imgur.com] https://imgur.com/1AH7GIu.gif) For keyboard input, I think hitting return key should work without having to click the Seek or Jump button. For the relative input, I think a – or + suffix should be enough to determine; or maybe a shift key modifier. Once the script to correct the publish timestamps is run, I think it may also be a good idea to put in the current date range near the searchnav buttons. I think a large number of the complaints came from the lack of "Where am I?" information that the old pagination provided, so showing something as simple as "Current Range is: Nov 2nd 2022 – Nov 5th 2022" should help. This post has been edited by FabulousCupcake: Nov 5 2022, 15:57
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