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Nov 4 2022, 00:01
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shinnai
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I doubt anyone will hear or care, but wouldn't segmenting out search results by year cut down on performance without getting rid of pagination?
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Nov 4 2022, 00:33
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Basara Nekki
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@Tenboro:
Would it be possible to add a filter by date (custom interval), similar to what is on Google? This would facilitate the search in the current system.
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Nov 4 2022, 00:33
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sleazeball
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This must be Daiz's fault.
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Nov 4 2022, 00:46
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casurin
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QUOTE(Qserty @ Nov 3 2022, 22:52)  Pagination is dead, I share the frustration, there should have been something put in place instead, even if not as good. You gave me an idea ... i might just go through all results, count them and make my own page-numbers. Would also need to do the search again for expunged and low-prio, but hey - "all in the name of performance". I'm sure that loading thousands of results will be less stressful for the server than showing a page-number (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Nov 4 2022, 00:53
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lolcocks123
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Ummmmm, I don't want to read through the last 30 pages of this thread but has anyone found a way to skip to page 50 if my search returns 100 pages worth of results?
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Nov 4 2022, 00:55
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johngalt13
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Okay, I think I get it. There's no going back.
I just wanted to ask, what did we ever do to you? I know there are a lot of assholes on the internet, but what did we, the bulk of people who just quietly use the site, do to you that made you do this to us? Yeah, I know, I forgot to pick up your kid from karate that one time, and maybe I need to be a bit more proactive about cleaning the dishes, but was taking away the page numbers really the appropriate response?
Please. Just please reconsider. Whatever it was we did, we're sorry. We won't do it again.
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Nov 4 2022, 00:56
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Eiricht
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Kinda sad that he's just crossing any reply to this thread as spam, no matter how helpful it could be or how much insight it could offer.
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Nov 4 2022, 00:59
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NightNeverFades
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QUOTE(Dhxa @ Nov 3 2022, 20:56)  Any example without bad performance?
For example Elasticsearch states "Avoid using from and size to page too deeply or request too many results at once." and "We no longer recommend using the scroll API for deep pagination. If you need to preserve the index state while paging through more than 10,000 hits, use the search_after parameter with a point in time (PIT)." with regarding to pagenation.
In layman's term they recommend the current search engine behavior.
There's two ways you do that, and neither one is easy to implement. The first is that you cache on the user's system. That cache can quickly balloon into the hundreds of megabytes however, and as the site grows you'll have to cut more and more information out of it for it to even be able to fill in a reasonable amount of time. That means there's still a ton that has to be loaded externally. Mobile users will absolutely have slowdown and page loading issues until the cache is filled. Maybe even lower powered PC users. The second is instance segmenting or block instancing. Like how you cut a cake up into pieces in order to eat it, you can cut a website's database up into pieces before you request it. This method is a major pain in the ass, because you have to determine what size you want the blocks to be, what section handles what, how they communicate with eachother so that they can do a handoff, and how the data hierarchy is laid out so that every block acts the same despite containing different data. The larger the site the more tantalizing this option becomes because it scales well and has little performance impact, but the more of a mire it becomes to implement it correctly. If it goes wrong it goes really wrong, however, and all of the database blocks will just be fragments.
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Nov 4 2022, 01:04
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LordMegaMilk
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Anyone able to get the user script for relative page scroll bar to work for the favorites page?
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Nov 4 2022, 01:06
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ehbiwtf
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I don't like the missing page numbers and I will pay for that feature. If this is the only way though, so be it. Whatever keeps the site alive.
Will the pages be removed from the old version too at some point?
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Nov 4 2022, 01:09
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C-ON
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Hey first time poster long time userr. Just wanted to say this update sucks ass. Ty
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Nov 4 2022, 01:11
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 3 2022, 14:00)  I know it's being brigadeered, but some amount of the complaints are of course organic. However, since page 5 or so it's just people spamming about page numbers, and I can't keep replying to that.
I get that people feel strongly about it, but as a tradeoff between functionality and performance, this is pretty much the best I can do. The old search engine isn't actually working anymore despite people claiming otherwise, and the alternative was a severe reduction in functionality.
You mention Nyaa, which has page numbers, but you can only see 1000 results per search, is that really what people want?
And I'm not sure why people act like they can't use the dates of the posted galleries to "know where you are in a search".
(I'm actually busy with making some additions to the search engine, so I won't keep posting.)
After taking the time to log in to complain about my favorites' pagination being gone, I don't know what to make of my complaints being boiled down to "brigading". I do like some of the new features in the search engine. But I'm bothered by the lack of pages in my favorites and expunged content getting yanked because I have an idea of where everything is. The new version has shown that it's unreliable to track my favorites and making changes I never asked for, so I'll stick to running my own libraries with my own software. I'll use this service and nhentai as a way to find new stuff getting posted. I do agree however with some posters that being able to filter by date would help, I have no idea what that would look like though. This isn't my website. The way I'm reading it, I feel like the owners are telling me I'm a bad person from a hivemind for coming on here and saying I don't like the changes. This post has been edited by kingofptw: Nov 4 2022, 01:13
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Nov 4 2022, 01:13
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huhtech
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@Tenboro Hello Tenboro, this will probably get lost in replies, but is it possible to also whitelist "VR" in the title search as you've done for "3D"? QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 2 2022, 05:09)  Note that there is a single two-character word "3d" that was specifically whitelisted for title searches, but it is not an indexable word for comment searches so it cannot be used for that.
It's currently unsearchable and IIRC a VR tag was denied due to being a "location" or something. A lot of creators put VR in the title so it'd be easily searchable though. Also, could I ask why downvoted tag search was removed? I've found it useful for tag cleanup before. Thanks for being transparent about the technical driver of the changes. I think the various WIP skipping methods will satisfy a lot of dissent.
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Nov 4 2022, 01:20
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Pretty much my first reply here. Just gotta say that removing pages was one of THE dumbest things ever, And saying shit like "tell me WHY you need it and maybe ill tell you how to use the new way" and being combative about it when there's literally 38 pages so far telling you its a stupid move to remove it just makes you look like an asshole.
People ask how do I jump to page 50 out of 500 without clicking next 50 times and your answer is "should have bookmarked it".... go fuck your self you egotistical asshole
"but you can only see 1000 results per search, is that really what people want?" Yes and we want to be able to click ANY of the pages. I want to easily be able to jump to page 547.
(I'm actually busy with making some additions to the search engine, so I won't keep posting.) What a fucking douchebag. Heres an addition you can add, fucking page numbering. You know the basic shit a site should have. Even fucking sites from the 1980's had.
This post has been edited by dvl_shad0w: Nov 4 2022, 01:26
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Nov 4 2022, 01:20
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darkwarlord
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>Not actually reading this thread anymore due to heavy brigadeering
This motherfucker. Site should've died in 2019.
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Nov 4 2022, 01:24
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omega necross
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Nov 4 2022, 00:33)  @Tenboro:
Would it be possible to add a filter by date (custom interval), similar to what is on Google? This would facilitate the search in the current system.
they could also add pages, similar to what is on google
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Nov 4 2022, 01:29
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johngalt13
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 2 2022, 17:03)  Yeah, I'm planning on adding this over the next day or two, seeing as the major gripe most people seem to be having is the inability to jump deep into results, and it should be doable very cheaply with the new engine. Oh. Oh! So pages are gone and instead work is being done on something to move through searches either by time, number of results, or moving through large chunks of results at a time. I mean, that sounds great in terms of people having pagination nostalgia. I feel like this should be here in this thread so users know something is being done about their concerns and they can hold tight for a few days.
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Nov 4 2022, 01:30
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Qserty
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QUOTE(casurin @ Nov 3 2022, 23:46)  You gave me an idea ... i might just go through all results, count them and make my own page-numbers. Would also need to do the search again for expunged and low-prio, but hey - "all in the name of performance". I'm sure that loading thousands of results will be less stressful for the server than showing a page-number (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) For every tag ? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Showing a page number IS loading thousands of results, that's what people don't seem to understand ^^" QUOTE(LordMegaMilk @ Nov 4 2022, 00:04)  Anyone able to get the user script for relative page scroll bar to work for the favorites page?
If you're talking about the tampermonkey script, it's because your favorite is sorted by favorited time instead of published time, which throw off all the GID thing. I don't see any solution in that case, I don't even know what's the number next to the GID is in the url.
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Nov 4 2022, 01:39
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LordMegaMilk
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QUOTE(Qserty @ Nov 3 2022, 16:30)  If you're talking about the tampermonkey script, it's because your favorite is sorted by favorited time instead of published time, which throw off all the GID thing. I don't see any solution in that case, I don't even know what's the number next to the GID is in the url.
Yeah I was just messing with it and it works if you switch the sort order to publish date. Was looking at the source code to see if there could be any easy modifications, but it seems like the changes pretty much makes the middle section of a large favorites list inaccessible via date added to favorite until (if ever) there is a filter/search option added for date favorited.
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Nov 4 2022, 01:40
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So any favorites we have that got expunged are just gone forever now? Cause I don't see a way to browse expunged galleries through my favorites.
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