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I am now genuinely curious what Tenboro thinks the purpose of his website is. If the site is hardly usable, then why does it exist? This is why I said to just freeze uploading instead so that it doesn't become apparently too large to function as a proper site.

Btw, it is good to hear that removed galleries not showing in favorites is a bug to be fixed. I take back what I said about you and Fakku/Irodori, for now.

This post has been edited by Kosouda: Nov 3 2022, 19:27

Another gripe:

I liked being able to "include" expunged galleries in my results, instead of having to specifically look for them separately. Is there a way we can OR expunged results in with the rest?

A "enter a percentage" field or something where I can say I want to jump to:

CODE

((percentage of the way through all site galleries/100) * (highest gallery ID on the site))

would be good enough for me on the other thing.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Nov 3 2022, 19:19

Wanting to go halfway or to 75% of the results is just as unreliable and impractical guessing game

No?

You hit the little ... button and type in the percentage you want to go to. There's no guessing.

Does anyone has pages that take more than a minute to load? I personally had them load from one to three seconds.

I know, right!?

I know it's being brigadeered, but some amount of the complaints are of course organic. However, since page 5 or so it's just people spamming about page numbers, and I can't keep replying to that.

I get that people feel strongly about it, but as a tradeoff between functionality and performance, this is pretty much the best I can do. The old search engine isn't actually working anymore despite people claiming otherwise, and the alternative was a severe reduction in functionality.

You mention Nyaa, which has page numbers, but you can only see 1000 results per search, is that really what people want?

And I'm not sure why people act like they can't use the dates of the posted galleries to "know where you are in a search".

(I'm actually busy with making some additions to the search engine, so I won't keep posting.)

There is no brigadeeing, its just that this silly update was hated by almost everyone, simply that, i honestly think you underestimated how much people used, liked and how useful the page system is.
Hell, this update made people that never used this place simply to say how shitty it was, its impressive.

You not even trying to read it is disappointing, it isnt even that many messages. Wont take you even 15 minutes.

With how much almost everyone me included hated this update (that honestly came from nowhere, not even a "hey we are going to change this, what does the users think?") the best solution in my opinion would be to rollback and try to find another way to fix the server thing without removing the pages, because while the removal of it is good for the server, its horrible for the end user.

So I would also like to voice that I have been a long time lurker and I have made this account long, long time ago.

I too used page numbers as a way of chronologically ordering and navigating the site. Without them I am effectively blind and I don't know where anything is. It is a very poor experience.

But from what I hear that Tenboro is trying to say is that going back is simply not an option.

So I humbly have couple of suggestions.
Give us more search result options, with smaller thumbnails so more can be presented but with less clutter so that we can visually see the options and move on to the "next page" and search for what we are looking for.
If we can't navigate with pages then we will navigate with quantity and better sorting/filtering options that are more intuitive.

I hope that we can find some sort of compromise between the user experience and the site's structure and administration needs.

Thank you

This post has been edited by Mr. Dude: Nov 3 2022, 19:14

Well, even if GID is here to stay, I hope that page numbers will be back for the favourites category. Since people tend to flip around their favourites a lot and remembering gallery IDs for those is not possible.

No?

You hit the little ... button and type in the percentage you want to go to. There's no guessing.

You didn't read anything at all in the original post, did you.

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You're talking as if there was a way to map years to pages. This was never a thing you could do, but if anything, that would be easier to do now than it used to be.

It's not easier. Especially not for users who have trouble thinking in abstract ways. The way that it used to work, and the way that I've seen a few members use the system, they would put in the tags. Say, character:"Ryoko Matoi"$ female:"large breasts"$ female:paizuri$ as the three tags. People know what they like, so they'd start at either end and move towards the opposite as they went through the galleries. If they do this over the course of days, months, or even years with the same selection of tags, then it's nice to know where you where with exact numbers. So you remember that last time you were on page 15 of 60. Well two new galleries have showed up since then, but there's still only 60 pages. By the time you end your search and have picked out a few galleries to go through, you're at page 21 of 60. A few weeks later you do the same search with the same tags, and you see there's now 61 pages. You can still go to page 21 with no guesswork and be roughly where you left off sans two or three galleries. With that method you know at a glance exactly where you need to go to return to where you left off in your search.

Even on the front page, for galleries that get updated often such as webtoon manwhas or web comics it's faster to be able to quickly jump to a random page and see if the gallery got pushed back to see how long ago the update was. Because then you can go back from page 7 to page 1 page by page, and see what other things have also updated that you want to keep up with. That's invaluable for people who share a computer or internet access and can't afford to have bookmarks. Although I will admit this is a very niche use of the page number system and I doubt it's very widespread.

It's the difference between precise text field integer input and a vague slider with no shown values.

I know, right!?

I also never had this problem.

Using the new system, if I search for lets say

CODE

language:english incest

I get

CODE

Found many results.

and I would like to quickly jump back to ones posted in 2021 and before, because I've browsed everything recent.
How can I do that using the new system? Or do I have to click next a randomly ludicrous number of times?

This feels like one of those Youtube updates that nobody asked for, nobody likes and just make things worse for the majority of users.

I've been lurking this page for a loooong time and removal of page numbers made it disfunctional, you expect me to click load and click load click load ~40 000 pages just to find good stuff? Are you f kidding me? What te f is this, next YT experiment where they just canceled sorting from the oldest movie so you need to scroll? Roll that back.

I think all my issues would be basically solvable if there was a way to retrieve the current highest gallery ID on the site from the page so that I could do the jumping math in a user script.

Any possibility you could throw us this bone, at least? Say, by putting something in the 'jump to first' link?

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Nov 3 2022, 19:33

Also a lurker that's going to be ignored for "brigading", the way that I browse is that I filter a few tags that I really dislike, search with the languages that I can understand, then browse the galleries one by one in chronological order and put the works that I like in my favourites.
Since I don't browse the site everyday before the update I was at around 40 pages, the update hit me by surprise and I monkey brain did not realize I could use gids to jump back, so I clicked next for an entire minute to get to where I was.
For me both paging and gid method are similar, they could only bring me approximately to where I was, in both situation I still needed to click next or previous a few times to land in the exact time frame. But pages are so much easier to understand for the average user, I was so used to it that my immediate reaction of it being gone is to insist on clicking next page, instead of using gid even though I know how it works. Overall I understand if the update was due to performance reasons, but I would still like to see something similars to pages being back.

@Tenboro I never use these forums because I have never needed to, I just wanted to say I would like my Favorites working as before with pages and to show all my saved deleted galleries. I hope you read this, thanks.

I doubt Ten will be able to read this, but I would suggest a feature to let GID pointers be saved in tag filters to easily navigate back to them.

People keep insisting on using page numbers to navigate back to where they last stopped but even that is a guessing game and an unreliable way to navigate as well. Wanting to go halfway or to 75% of the results is just as unreliable and impractical guessing game that can be replaced by GID pointers because we all know that today's page 10 of results are probably page 30+ in a couple weeks and we'll start blind guessing them until we hit the jackpot.

We only got used to that and it's harder to switch when there isn't a better alternative to random jumps yet. Thus, my suggestion. The current problem is that GIDs are like phone numbers, we shouldn't bother to remember them and instead a feature in filter tags.

With this I completely agree, we need some sort of help to pin down our searches.

First, that the admin has chosen not to read this thread any more is absolutely ridiculous.

More importantly, the issue isn't that paging doesn't exist, it's that there is some functionality which was provided by being able to jump to semi-random pages that, while still possible, has been obfuscated.

The Missing Function:

When people in this thread are saying "well how do i jump to page x" or "what if i want to see things from x year" etc, what they really mean is "I want to look at semi-random results from a broad search, maybe even a single tag, and that is now difficult/confusing/obfuscated."

I keep tabs on the loli tag, every single day, I check every new gallery with that tag at least once a day, so on some days, I find there's not much there that I want to look through, so instead, I want something semi-random that I (probably) haven't seen before. Hence the desire for "jump to page x"

The admins are correct when they say that this is still possible, the issue is that it has been moved from an obvious and convenient button into the URL, and further obfuscated by translating 'page number' into 'GID'. While nearly every user is going to have a very intuitive understanding of "page number", very few of them are going to have a good grasp of "GID", I suspect the majority of users hadn't put any thought into the concept until this very change. Having to change numbers in a URL bar is pretty clunky too: Imagine if instead the only change were the removal of the 'jump to page' button, but the admin response was "Well you can just put page=x into the url bar anyway", I think the complaints would be strikingly similar.

A (Maybe) Solution:

If the issue is that it's now more obtuse to find something "semi-random that (I) probably haven't seen before", then I think a very simple solution is to just try and recreate the previous functionality: A "jump to GID x" button, if you will. A simple text box with "Current GID", "Jump to GID: x", and maybe a short explanation of how GID functions, such as "Older galleries correspond with lower GIDs" could suffice. Maybe even a "random GID" if we're feeling really spicy.

Unfortunately, there's still some obfuscation here, but I think it at least addresses the issue I'm lining out here. A more comprehensive solution would probably involve actually trying to figure out what issue(s) the complaints in this thread are getting at. Most of the feedback in here is at best pretty unhelpful, but underneath it all there's real issues that could be addressed with some more careful consideration, and without having to go back on this (obviously necessary) change.

It's not easier. Especially not for users who have trouble thinking in abstract ways. The way that it used to work, and the way that I've seen a few members use the system, they would put in the tags. Say, character:"Ryoko Matoi"$ female:"large breasts"$ female:paizuri$ as the three tags. People know what they like, so they'd start at either end and move towards the opposite as they went through the galleries. If they do this over the course of days, months, or even years with the same selection of tags, then it's nice to know where you where with exact numbers. So you remember that last time you were on page 15 of 60. Well two new galleries have showed up since then, but there's still only 60 pages. By the time you end your search and have picked out a few galleries to go through, you're at page 21 of 60. A few weeks later you do the same search with the same tags, and you see there's now 61 pages. You can still go to page 21 with no guesswork and be roughly where you left off sans two or three galleries. With that method you know at a glance exactly where you need to go to return to where you left off in your search.

When people in this thread are saying "well how do i jump to page x" or "what if i want to see things from x year" etc, what they really mean is "I want to look at semi-random results from a broad search, maybe even a single tag, and that is now difficult/confusing/obfuscated."

I keep tabs on the loli tag, every single day, I check every new gallery with that tag at least once a day, so on some days, I find there's not much there that I want to look through, so instead, I want something semi-random that I (probably) haven't seen before. Hence the desire for "jump to page x"

The admins are correct when they say that this is still possible, the issue is that it has been moved from an obvious and convenient button into the URL, and further obfuscated by translating 'page number' into 'GID'. While nearly every user is going to have a very intuitive understanding of "page number", very few of them are going to have a good grasp of "GID", I suspect the majority of users hadn't put any thought into the concept until this very change. Having to change numbers in a URL bar is pretty clunky too: Imagine if instead the only change were the removal of the 'jump to page' button, but the admin response was "Well you can just put page=x into the url bar anyway", I think the complaints would be strikingly similar.

A (Maybe) Solution:

If the issue is that it's now more obtuse to find something "semi-random that (I) probably haven't seen before", then I think a very simple solution is to just try and recreate the previous functionality: A "jump to GID x" button, if you will. A simple text box with "Current GID", "Jump to GID: x", and maybe a short explanation of how GID functions, such as "Older galleries correspond with lower GIDs" could suffice. Maybe even a "random GID" if we're feeling really spicy.

Unfortunately, there's still some obfuscation here, but I think it at least addresses the issue I'm lining out here. A more comprehensive solution would probably involve actually trying to figure out what issue(s) the complaints in this thread are getting at. Most of the feedback in here is at best pretty unhelpful, but underneath it all there's real issues that could be addressed with some more careful consideration, and without having to go back on this (obviously necessary) change.

THANK YOU FOR THESE POSTS

I've been lurking this page for a loooong time and removal of page numbers made it disfunctional, you expect me to click load and click load click load ~40 000 pages just to find good stuff? Are you f kidding me? What te f is this, next YT experiment where they just canceled sorting from the oldest movie so you need to scroll? Roll that back.

What's the problem? You can just click next a hundred times

THANK YOU FOR THESE POSTS

The dev should look at these posts for valid criticism with his change (if he really cant be bothered to read the rest).