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in the middle of the night when most of the active users in this forum were off in dream land

There are active users from world over. It was 10am for me. As far as I remember it's usually in mornings (for ust 0) when there are updates, presumably that's because it's at a time that's convenient to respond to bugs and issues that require urgent attention without them being left too long

@Shank
My favorite now is 920k+ (too many? yeah, almost 15 years of being here made all that), now tell me how can I search for that one specific gallery I know it's in my list, but only remember it's after that one and before those one and some vague tags that result in 10k+ galleries and the one I need is among them?

Click next 1000 times? 2000 times? 5000 times?

Pretty sure that not for shits and giggles, not from me at least.

i don like the update. both search and page, but mostly the page.

It is very interesting how many People said, the new System is not good and they don't want it.

More intersting is, that this is uninteresting for the administrator, because he said this now is better and that's it.

Please tell me, why all other sites with also many many Gallerys have the number-System???
And...the other sites have galleries from many Artists, they not exist also on E-H.

I want to understand the thinking in this new System.

I'm personally for this scheme. There's not much sense to jump to around page 90 of a search query right off the bat. If you want to track where you are in your custom query, this gid cursor search does a better job of being sure you're on the right result.

Believe it or not, I actually developed a habit of doing that - filter by a tag I like and then go right to a random page in the middle before browsing page by page - chances are I am not interested in the oldest results and the newest ones are still too fresh off my memory.

Even though it probably won't change anything, I'd like to chime in on the problem of the missing page numbers as well. I understand that there are limitations of the site around the matter, but it's absolutely inane to remove such a basic function to use to navigate around.

I made some requests, but I understand the difficulty in other posts
I support you.

"uploader:syamu_zero" can't find anything in the new engine

>Brigadeering
I mean yeah we're dogpiling here but my journey was more

-Open Panda
-Mutter 'oh, gross'
-Go to settings page to figure out how to re-enable pages
-Wait, you can't? There's no way
-Go to forums
-Go to /h/
-Go 'oh shit, oh fuck'

Like, I'm not *unfamiliar* with editing url data to jump around in results - you have to do similar when navigating furaffinity favorites, for instance - but jesus, there's such a drop in accessibility there. And even then, you kind of just have to go fishing for a relative point with those GIDs; 'no, that's not quite where I wanted to go, the gallery I was thinking of was posted a couple years later... let's add a couple thousand to the GID and - nope, okay, overshot it I think, how about...'

Pages - arbitrary as they were based on your results served per page setting - let users build up an internal 'knowledge' overtime of how their daily porno routing was landscaped; I've checked the 'transformation', 'gender bender', 'futanari', and 'female: mind control' tags daily for near a decade now, for instance, and could routinely locate exactly what I wanted by cross-referencing an internal mapping with the paging system, even where further details on gallery name or content were escaping me. Completely fucked now, and IMO removing that means of building familiarity is going to mess with folks forming long-term attach rates to the site - without getting into how many *new* tags I'd routinely work through page by page over a year that'll now require a whole cumbersome bookmarking system to prevent browser reloads nuking my place in the chain.

This post has been edited by gweh: Nov 3 2022, 15:56

I know it's being brigadeered, but some amount of the complaints are of course organic. However, since page 5 or so it's just people spamming about page numbers, and I can't keep replying to that.

I get that people feel strongly about it, but as a tradeoff between functionality and performance, this is pretty much the best I can do. The old search engine isn't actually working anymore despite people claiming otherwise, and the alternative was a severe reduction in functionality.

You mention Nyaa, which has page numbers, but you can only see 1000 results per search, is that really what people want?

And I'm not sure why people act like they can't use the dates of the posted galleries to "know where you are in a search".

(I'm actually busy with making some additions to the search engine, so I won't keep posting.)

There are active users from world over. It was 10am for me. As far as I remember it's usually in mornings (for ust 0) when there are updates, presumably that's because it's at a time that's convenient to respond to bugs and issues that require urgent attention without them being left too long

I think a huge reason for the backlash is due to how unexpected update was. I have read the explanation for the update and I understand why such a change might've been need, but by looking at all the bugs, it think there should've been more beta testing and community input.

By looking at the age of the accounts responding, I don't we are seeing brigading. Many of the users here are trying to be diplomatic, and I think their feedback is worth listening to.

Why I'm not even surprised seeing Tenboro's shit reply.

Understand and respect this major update

This update greatly reduces the strain on the server. Although some users' experience is affected, I can live with it.

However, there are some areas that could be considered for improvement. Here are my suggestions for this update:

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Added time index and interval search.

For example, I can jump or search for galleries from August 2021 to October 2021.

reasons:
1. People have to manually change the GID in the url to get a quick jump, which is of course very rare and unacceptable in 2022.

2. This solves the problem most people mention: wondering where they are.

3. Can setting an interval for each search also reduce the strain on the server?

4. Most people even don't know the exietence of GID, so the time interval could be an index.

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Hope you can consider this opinion.
Finally, thank you very much for your efforts.

You mention Nyaa, which has page numbers, but you can only see 1000 results per search, is that really what people want?

Not all of us do large searches all the time, so if that method could be made optional, it would eliminate some of the frustration. It is too late to do anything about it, but I regret that a beta test was not conducted. Had we done so, the discussion would have been more calm, the system would have been refined beforehand, and no one would have suffered. Perhaps it would be better to revert back to the original system once and for all now and set up a system for beta testing. This change was too big and disruptive to be made suddenly.
I don't want to sound too aggressive, but even if only 1000 results are displayed, it seems a lot better than the current system. It is so unkind to the user to ask them to do everything with just a next and prev button. People are not angry about the GID search itself, but about the terrible experience they had as a result. If it had been made available to the public after more consideration had been given to the users, you would not have been subjected to a great deal of complaints (not to say none at all).

And I'm not sure why people act like they can't use the dates of the posted galleries to "know where you are in a search".

Most users want to intuitively know how far they have read in a search result and how much further they need to go. This is demonstrated by the fact that there are very few sites that do not use page selectors in their search engines. It may seem a little too insensitive to the feelings of users, but it is normal for there to be differences in what developers and users feel. That is why I think changes should be made with caution.

I and many users will always be grateful for the way you maintain the site. However, this update was, well, very bad. As a result, many heavy users who have been happy for years are finally having to complain.

This post has been edited by Nick1923: Nov 3 2022, 16:06

I think a huge reason for the backlash is due to how unexpected update was. I have read the explanation for the update and I understand why such a change might've been need, but by looking at all the bugs, it think there should've been more beta testing and community input.

As always just stating my opinion and not speaking on behalf of anyone.
Beta testing is basically what we are doing now, which is why it hasn't been deployed fully. Even if there was community input before the change went live asking to not remove the page numbers, I doubt it'd have prevented it, since the change as I understand it was a requirement for technical reasons. The disappointment in the loss of page numbers has been noted, and have been replied to in the first pages of the thread. No one wants to inconvenience users, so if there is inconvenience, it is probably for good reason.

female:milf language:english -> Found "many" results.

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/PkWgPI3.png)

How many results? I need to know that in order to optimize my search query

Also how do you jump from page 1 to 50? Page 1 is 2022, page 80 maybe is 2021 and i could do that before in order to search a particular date

So how can you use the website now? 80 clicks instead of 1?
Can i see my search filtered by year 2021? Where is that option? How to do that?

Having the pagination you could do anything you wanted with simple clicks, now it's all gone

I don't understand how can you remove such fundamental feature like results count and pagination.
What kind of search engine do you have that you can't use pagination?

What kind of limitation did you had with old system? Varnish wasn't able to cache pages so you switched to a "fixed pagination" with fixed content in order to get them into cache and get the DB load low?

And for that you sacrificed the pagination?
Why?
Can't you make a new, optimized search engine with pagination if your problem was the optimization?

Everything is possible and doable, and if you say otherwise, then it means you need help from someone more expert.

Maybe rollback everything and try to get some help from some expert on building a new search engine with pages that uses low resources?

Maybe rollback everything and try to get some help from some expert on building a new search engine with pages that uses low resources?

THIS.

This probably has been posted already but the Paging Enlargement III hath perk is broken.
Can we get that fixed and/or if you got rid of it, can we get a hath refund?

Thanks.

female:milf language:english -> Found "many" results.

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] https://i.imgur.com/PkWgPI3.png)

How many results? I need to know that in order to optimize my search query

Also how do you jump from page 1 to 50? Page 1 is 2022, page 80 maybe is 2021 and i could do that before in order to search a particular date

So how can you use the website now? 80 clicks instead of 1?
Can i see my search filtered by year 2021? Where is that option? How to do that?

Having the pagination you could do anything you wanted with simple clicks, now it's all gone

I don't understand how can you remove such fundamental feature like results count and pagination.
What kind of search engine do you have that you can't use pagination?

What kind of limitation did you had with old system? Varnish wasn't able to cache pages so you switched to a "fixed pagination" with fixed content in order to get them into cache and get the DB load low?

And for that you sacrificed the pagination?
Why?
Can't you make a new, optimized search engine with pagination if your problem was the optimization?

Everything is possible and doable, and if you say otherwise, then it means you need help from someone more expert.

Maybe rollback everything and try to get some help from some expert on building a new search engine with pages that uses low resources?

1. That's not how cursor pagination works.
2. Blindly wanting to jump to page 50 to see what's there is not a good argument. A better argument would be something like suggesting date range filter or sorting features, although I can see the latter being another heavy load but definitely doable.
3. Ten is most probably the most expert on his own engine because it's custom-made by him.
4. This search is more optimized for the current state of the database being over a million rows. There are tradeoffs but this is generally better in performance when you remove the subjective "wants" of most people out of the factor.

Again, this is more of a communication issue. Letting people know in advance would've sat better on them. Even I who saw this feature inevitably coming was caught by surprise on the sudden implementation, so I can imagine how the devs would feel to see their scripts suddenly broken without any warning.

This post has been edited by Mayriad: Nov 3 2022, 17:16

I've read through some of the forum, and I'm having understanding why you couldn't map the most recently created GID to page one and continue on from there?

Maybe rollback everything and try to get some help from some expert on building a new search engine with pages that uses low resources?

YES. THIS.

We appreciate your work Tenboro. We really do. But this is too big now, bigger than just you (or your team, if it exists) can handle now. The prove is you have to sacrifice the page number for better performance.
I work backend at company with quite big data (semi-intercountry wide). And yes, we have page number on the part we need it to be. (Not from me tho, from the existing program.)

ฺWe also understand that this is too essential and some might have to deal with legal stuff. It's too dangerous to reveal the source code to just anyone.

But please, at least some expert can help you. You just have to ask, some here gladly to help.

This post has been edited by epa: Nov 3 2022, 16:42