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Nov 3 2022, 11:36
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flash73
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I have rarely gone on the forum but have to say I hate this new design it makes it so much harder to use.
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Nov 3 2022, 11:58
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Qserty
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QUOTE(OsenTen @ Nov 3 2022, 09:57)  my bad. I fucked up updating maxGID in list layout other than compat.
This new version should fix the problem, though. (Still you need to open Front Page once without any search terms, etc. to make it work)
Thanks a lot for your script, that's likely the best solution we will have. I understand the technical reason to remove the pagination and I'm fine with that, even if it's less practical for users. But after reading the few first pages of this thread I'm baffled on how it was handled: - oh, you people were using the page number ? Use GID instead but I won't explain what it is or how it works. :/ We went from something integrated in the website to "mess around with the address bar". I mean, add an input text between <Prev and Next> which show the GID of the first result in that page, with the possibility to edit it to jump to a specific GID, I would have immediately understood this is what is replacing the pagination and I'm sure you would have had a little less complain.
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Nov 3 2022, 12:09
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omegadir
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Thanks, I hate it. Can you imagine any forum or website where removing page counting will considered improvement for user? Please return page count back.
This post has been edited by omegadir: Nov 3 2022, 12:11
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Nov 3 2022, 12:24
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temperature
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Please I need all favorites are showing up.
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Nov 3 2022, 12:27
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Iexist
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The only thing I have to say about it is that this new search system needs more UI integration.
Not all users will look to the forums to deal with this mess. Also not all users will even look at the news page.
Most importantly, most users don't want to deal with the address bar. Having an option to mess with the GID directly in the UI would be ideal. Having something that lets us just click and increase the GID number by say (+10/20/100/whatever) would do the same thing as page jumping to an extent. Though refining that for tag searches or complex searches would likely be a pain.
Maybe an option to jump through the next x relevant IDs?
I dunno... I'm not an expert.
I'm sure people have suggested something or other that's good through this entire thread.
Either way. The point is. I understand that the change is necessary, and I like a bunch of the potential benefits... but it could have been handled better. The majority of end-users for anything are not particularly tech-savy after all... and the number of peeps that came out of the woodworks to complain shows that.
Odds are, there are plenty more who are just too lazy to complain, or didn't notice just yet.
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Nov 3 2022, 12:33
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CosmicTon
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First time posting and i just have to say i am probably not alone when i say i will stop using this site if this stays the way it is. The way this has been handeled just shows that the people behind this site do not understand their userbase and will probably continue to destroy this site more than they already have.
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Nov 3 2022, 12:37
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mnbvcxz11
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they really just went "nuh-uh, it's a great update, y'all just dumb" and stopped answering, impressive
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Nov 3 2022, 13:01
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Zeratul656
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Bring back the pages numbers? How could anyone think this was a good idea?
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Nov 3 2022, 13:13
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gensokyonagibator
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Beyond me hating wiping the info of removed galleries in general and especially from favourites now, I find a bunch of my favs, that wasn't even removed but merely expunged, be available via link, and from old UI, but with no visible reason wiped from the new one. Not just from my favs but from search in general both in favs and overall. I really hope its just some bug that will be fixed soon.
And beyond no pages anymore (even) in favourites, there also ain't even number of entities. Again, both in just favourites tab as it's open, and in search within it. Not even approximate (while there even not tha big of a number, little less then 1k over 20 pages), just nothing at all. Hope this will be fixed also soon. Also, no page number filtering in favourites search anymore. I mean the size of galleries in pages "for x to y" filter. *Once you get locked into a serious page elimination, the tendency is to push it as far as you can*, lol.
Also, about the, probably, only one good thing out of that earthquake: I've got that now I can do "(tag1 || tag2 || ...)" or "tagA && tagB && ... (tag1 || tag2 || ...)". But can I construct something like "(tag1 || tag2) && (tagA || tagB)" for getting list of tag1 + tagB, tag2 + tagA + tagB, etc, but not just one out of four match or tag1 + tag2 without any of A 'n' B or otherways?
Btw, first time forum, I guess. Literally years ago supposed to ask to get one downvoted tag back on one gallery. Sill berried somewhere in tabs. Hope I can find it now
This post has been edited by gensokyonagibator: Nov 3 2022, 13:47
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Nov 3 2022, 13:19
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I'm not actually reading this thread anymore due to the heavy brigadeering. I get that it broke your favorite viewing tool, but all the reasons for why "bring back page number" isn't long-term technically feasible was already answered in the first few pages of the thread.
There are some bugs being fixed (missing galleries in favorites, some uploader search stuff and some navigation stuff), as well as a function to address the (ostensible) biggest gripe about not being able to jump to the middle of search results, but these things aren't written, tested and deployed overnight. I will however hold off on deploying the update to EH until it's ready.
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Nov 3 2022, 13:21
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phasers
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QUOTE(petro1 @ Nov 3 2022, 12:50)  @10B not sure if search works correctly... searching for "modif" results in 74, "modification" 3499 (modif - base of modification, modified, ect. > if no body_mod tag is applied and want to include gallery names with it) so only whole word search is now possible?
I noticed this type of issues as well
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Nov 3 2022, 13:27
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Tranquillou
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 3 2022, 14:19)  I'm not actually reading this thread anymore due to the heavy brigadeering.
Brigading would imply someone somewhere is rallying up a community to target this thread. I feel like it's more that everyone is genuinly mad and disappointed that something as basic as page number has been removed, and replaced by a system nobody completely understand. I never talked here before, and by all accounts I can seems like a bot or an alt, but no, I'm just a lurker who want to jerk off in peace
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Nov 3 2022, 13:29
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gensokyonagibator
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 3 2022, 14:19)  I'm not actually reading this thread anymore
Will you read my post in it? A little above. I guess I do have some valid question.
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Nov 3 2022, 13:30
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Sanguine09
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 3 2022, 06:19)  I'm not actually reading this thread anymore due to the heavy brigadeering. I get that it broke your favorite viewing tool, but all the reasons for why "bring back page number" isn't long-term technically feasible was already answered in the first few pages of the thread.
There are some bugs being fixed (missing galleries in favorites, some uploader search stuff and some navigation stuff), as well as a function to address the (ostensible) biggest gripe about not being able to jump to the middle of search results, but these things aren't written, tested and deployed overnight. I will however hold off on deploying the update to EH until it's ready.
Perhaps you should read it, because people aren't complaining that it broke some 3rd party shit. They are complaining because it broke usability of the site itself. The only thing this change is gonna do is kill the site faster than not doing anything at all.
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Nov 3 2022, 13:34
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Kokonoe Rin
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The Australian Aboriginal numbering system employed for counting how many results were retrieved is significantly less useful than the number being incorrect as it was previously. Not being able to jump pages arbitrarily is annoying, but not knowing what page I am currently on makes navigation almost impossible. I also don’t care at all about the corean translated galleries I have filtered out and don’t want to be prompted to disable the filter removing them every page.
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Nov 3 2022, 13:34
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Xorrak
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WHY WHY WHY did you change to this??? It's so INEFFICIENT. The old one was much better. You could have just added a button left and right for "first" and "last". Suddenly it becomes a damn CHORE to go through all the pages. RETRUN THE OLD NUMBER LAYOUT, COME ON!!! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Nov 3 2022, 13:38
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82515181519H
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obnoxious as to look at old results.
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Nov 3 2022, 13:40
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Pliny the Younger
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 3 2022, 13:19)  I'm not actually reading this thread anymore due to the heavy brigadeering. I get that it broke your favorite viewing tool, but all the reasons for why "bring back page number" isn't long-term technically feasible was already answered in the first few pages of the thread.
I use no such tool, and find this new system unusual to the point of being non-standard. The biggest problem is favorites. Going through them is a chore and unlike the main page there is no excuse for the new system making things “faster”. I guess I’m lucky I always sorted my favorites well, but even then going back to look at older stuff is not fun. Borderline unusable. Favorites NEED a page list, regardless of programming under the hood or third parties. If I can’t find shit, why come to the site? But I guess since you don’t want to read the thread, there really is no convincing you. Shame this is the hill you decide to die on. Really weird one.
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Nov 3 2022, 13:45
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dragon1412
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@Tenboro: I'm pretty sure no one is brigading this thread, and more like genuine complain about the removal of pages, If you go by pure numbers of submissions, Pixiv does come to mind and they don't remove the page numbers in search. Most people already read the few starting pages, but they complains because no archives or index site out there remove the pages counts. It simply doesn't work with the way we process information and searching, earlier page it said that it's impossible to keep it because of index size, but by pure numbers, pixiv doesn't lose out if you only count the sheer numbers of submissions. and Nyaa also kept it's page counts despite the crazy amount of upload and dups. Honest advice from me, rollbacks the update and kept a beta mode separate and ask people to test it rather than just dump it all on suddenly like this, right now, there is now way to keep track of where you are in search and you are required to hop on and off ID and playing guess games if you want to search for something, especially if your memory are hazy and you are trying to look for something long ago. There is also whole another with search engine and expunged gallery as well but others already putting it more eloquent than i am ever could about that.
Honestly, just not reading and calling it brigading is not really a good option, as i read through all up to 27 pages a lot of the complains actually citing the reason and why it's not ideal, Is there any problem just set a new beta pages and ask people to check it if it work ??? it just unnecessary create animosity in both sides if one is just ignoring all the complains and the other is absolutely convinced that the people don't even bother reading the feedback to their works. Most people don't even complains about any of the 3rd party viewing tool and more about the UI of the normal site.
This post has been edited by Mayriad: Nov 3 2022, 17:09
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