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Search 'c88 bsn' returned nothing
But it should return something like '(C88) [Mercuro (Various)] ♂ Kemo Lingerie Book+ [English] [BSN]'

Looks like there is an issue where some very specific three-letter substrings are misclassified as non-indexable, yeah. I'll push a fix for it tomorrow.

Edit: This should be fixed now.

That's an exaggeration. It was not unusable; it was simply unusable to you.
I will say that prior to having a 'goto' box or date seeking (see my signature), it was quite annoying to do so, but it was not impossible to type numbers into URL's or do math.
The negative feedback was still deserved. But the really stupid thing about it was everyone ignoring the reasoning for the change and asking for page numbers to come back.

Also, you may not realize this, but the deployment was in fact staggered. I was seeing it before it was pushed site-wide.

Given the state of many websites and programs these days, it is clear to me that testing works for stability purposes but not for making a usable, performant, quality product. Otherwise electron apps would not be so prevalent. I think companies already essentially ignore QA and make paying end-users their beta testers.

This change was made for performance, and that is an honorable goal compared to the things so many prioritize.

I appreciated the transparency and technical justification for the change, which is also so often lacking in QA.

Also I think people have some right to be smug, because the reaction really was ridiculous. I was more upset about the low level arenas being hidden from high level users than this, because this change had a really good explanation/justification.
I mean, the main 'hell' bit would be the programming. People getting uppity about things they don't read about or understand on a free site isn't something I'd work myself up about.

I only wish the jump text entry field was visible by default (or else was invisible but actually existant in the DOM so i could use custom CSS to fix it) so I didn't have to enable javascript. But I can cope and I'm very likely not an average user.

Call me smug all you want, it doesn't change the fact that I've read through every post in this thread. I think I understand.
People were upset at things they didn't understand. People refused to read before posting. People thought pages were fundemental and everyone used them and were obviously wrong. That is why it was a shit show.

Inbetween all that was a very small group of people providing actual feedback and opinions on it. As well as ideas to address the problems and add improvments. Some of which (the new range navigator) required the rollout of the new search to be finished.

Change was made for a foundational reason and that was ignored because the UI changed. Was it perfect at the start? No. Was it ever going to be? No.

The ride was bumpy but was it ever going to be worth changing the entire rollout when the development team size is 1? No.
People have come to expect that major sites have VC levels of money and unlimited amount of developers but that's not always the case.
Like the old one I believe it's completly custom.

I really don't get the reason why some people feel the urge the justify the initial shitshow. The changes were rolled out without much testing or communication (which can be described as nominal at best for a website this big) and then the backlash was initially dismissed as "brigading." By the way, communicating changes well and ahead of time wasn't expensive the last time I checked. No wonder people were fucking mad/panicking and were wanting the changes reversed.

Yeah, it's normal and expected for the average user to not understand how to navigate by changing the URL because that's not how most websites work. Also, changing the URL every single time to navigate is annoying (unless you're autistic or something). And users were expected to find a post on the forum that was written in English (ignoring the fact that a decent chunk of the userbase can't read English) to figure it out. Again, terrible communication. This is the exact sort of thing that happens to websites before they implode and then disappear into irrelevancy. None of this should be all that hard to comprehend.

I'll admit that it's great that the admins eventually listened to the feedback and incorporated changes, whixh is always appreciated, but let's not sugarcoat how things went and blame the users.

This post has been edited by greatlakes100: Jan 9 2023, 15:16

initially dismissed as "brigading"

There was a thread on 4chan saying something to the effect of "go complain in this thread". If you don't consider that brigadeering, you don't know the meaning of the word.

users were expected to find a post on the forum

Which is automatically linked at the top of the News page, with a post on Twitter as well. If you couldn't find it, you weren't looking.

feedback and incorporated changes

That's usually how these update threads work, which you'd know if you had a history of reading them. The problem with brigadeering is that not only does the worthless I DON'T LIKE IT CHANGE IT BACK noise drown out any actual useful feedback, it also drowns out any attempt at communicating the rationale for the changes.

The update had a closed beta followed by a staggered rollout, with every change carefully documented, and additional in-depth rationale posted long before the rollout was completed. Some of the later improvements literally could not be done until the initial rollout was finished, which again was thoroughly explained in this thread.

While there is always room for improvement, some of which was acknowledged in the follow-up rationale post, if this level of communication somehow isn't good enough for you, I suggest you find some other place to provide you with free service. Then again, no level of communication will ever be good enough if you don't even read it.

*me reading the thread*

I am going to make some random replies.

the user base meltdown

This site serves millions of visitors each day, but this thread only has like 1,300 people complaining so far, which is very low. This update was really not that bad, and very, very few users were upset enough to post here. On the other hand, given the number of visitors, there will always be unhappy users whenever there is a change. Last time literally hundreds of users complained about new category buttons, like their shape and colours:

The category colors are way to bright. My eyes keep getting pull to the category. Need to be subdued more like the old ones.

Bring back the old colors, I can settle with the unnecessary rectangle shape but the colors are bland, really dark compared to how they were, and some aren't even close to their previous colors.

The colours were initially too bright for some users so we changed them, but then they were too dark for some other users. Some people also wanted the old style back, etc. 1,300 complaints for a major backend update is actually a low number compared to what we got for those buttons.

The changes were rolled out without much testing or communication (which can be described as nominal at best for a website this big)

This site is mostly run by volunteers, and the number of volunteers must be super nominal for a website this big by the same standard. Most people only come to use the site and occasionally complain when needed, which is why most people in this thread don't have big badges. By the way, please consider reading the wiki and helping out in the Vigilante.

and then the backlash was initially dismissed as "brigading."

To expand what Tenboro said, a lot of people only came to say how much they need the page selector back and/or how much they hate the new update without reading Tenboro's explanations at all, especially the technical reason why pagination had to be removed.

And users were expected to find a post on the forum that was written in English (ignoring the fact that a decent chunk of the userbase can't read English) to figure it out. Again, terrible communication. This is the exact sort of thing that happens to websites before they implode and then disappear into irrelevancy. None of this should be all that hard to comprehend.

Except users were only expected to read the news page, which just requires one click on the gallery site. Then, please forgive us for not having a small but multilingual team of volunteers for writing announcements and documentation in multiple languages.

There was a thread on 4chan saying something to the effect of "go complain in this thread". If you don't consider that brigadeering, you don't know the meaning of the word.

So all of that was assumed by a couple of 4chan posts? You realize that not everyone here goes on 4chan. And if it was brigading, what explains the ESL posts or the fact that a good percentage of the accounts posting were quite old?

Which is automatically linked at the top of the News page, with a post on Twitter as well. If you couldn't find it, you weren't looking.

I think the mistake here was that the staff assumed that this was only a minor change and communicated as such. With this sort of change, I think a pop-up or a note at the top of the main website was warranted. Also, the changes were rolled out so suddenly that most people only discovered them after it occurred. The update was also a strange one that removed a feature and I've seen non-English posts assuming that it was a bug initially.

While there is always room for improvement, some of which was acknowledged in the follow-up rationale post, if this level of communication somehow isn't good enough for you, I suggest you find some other place to provide you with free service. Then again, no level of communication will ever be good enough if you don't even read it.

I am fine with how the admins eventually listened and incorporated changes. At this point, I have very little to complain about, Tenboro. It just irks me that now since the drama has calmed down there have been a bunch of people going "actually the rollout was okay and it was mostly the users' fault" when it wasn't. Also, I've encountered people who were worried that something nefarious was going on behind the scenes and that you were muzzled from speaking about it.

This post has been edited by greatlakes100: Jan 10 2023, 00:01

So all of that was assumed by a couple of 4chan posts?

So it's not ok to claim brigading when there was? This site has had a long relaitonship with 4chan. It was (I don't keep up anymore) the most associated site to it for getting hentai. And as such a large portion of people in those threads had existing accounts.

I am fine with how the admins eventually listened and incorporated changes. At this point, I have very little to complain about, Tenboro. It just irks me that now since the drama has calmed down there have been a bunch of people going "actually the rollout was okay and it was mostly the users' fault" when it wasn't. Also, I've encountered people who were worried that something nefarious was going on behind the scenes and that you were muzzled from speaking about it.

1 admin. Also yes, not users fault something changed. Users fault to come here and demand it back without reading. Users could have read the maticulously detailed post. But nope. Their fault.

Again the rollout went as well as it could have. Stagging it more, or stagering it more is not easily possible. Again you've never contributed to this site and yet you demand it to opperate as seemlesly as youtube or facebook with AB testing and user segmented roll outs. The fact this wasn't an all or nothing change is impressive considering the scale of the site and the lack of manpower.

You're just simply entitled. You seem to expect the world. You seem to expect things to live up to your expectation yet you've never helped or contributed. You should reflect upon yourself.

This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: Jan 10 2023, 04:35

So it's not ok to claim brigading when there was? This site has had a long relaitonship with 4chan. It was (I don't keep up anymore) the most associated site to it for getting hentai. And as such a large portion of people in those threads had existing accounts.
1 admin. Also yes, not users fault something changed. Users fault to come here and demand it back without reading. Users could have read the maticulously detailed post. But nope. Their fault.

It was 2022, and most forums were and still are dying or already dead since Discord and Reddit have finish many of them off. Nowadays, if a website has a forum, most people just use it file complaints. It's the sad reality today.

Yeah, there was a long text on the forum, and that was part of the problem. (For the record, I read it and understood the situation.) This sort of thing might've been accepted 10-20 years when admins posted updates some in the corner of websites, but that sort of thing simply doesn't fly anymore, and users today don't expect that.

Again the rollout went as well as it could have. Stagging it more, or stagering it more is not easily possible. Again you've never contributed to this site and yet you demand it to opperate as seemlesly as youtube or facebook with AB testing and user segmented roll outs. The fact this wasn't an all or nothing change is impressive considering the scale of the site and the lack of manpower.

I remembered glitches in the search feature and eventually the navigation system was altered after feedback and suggestions. Many users thought the changes were a glitch. Again, there wasn't much of a heads up before the changes were rolled out.

I might've not have the time and resources to help, but maybe there could've at least been a public notice asking for help ahead of time? A couple of users programmed their own navigation systems and posted them on this very thread. Maybe they could've helped if asked? When the site was at a risk of going offline in 2019, there were offers of help, so I'm sure if Kenboro had asked for help, he would've gotten it.

You're just simply entitled. You seem to expect the world. You seem to expect things to live up to your expectation yet you've never helped or contributed. You should reflect upon yourself.

Dude, I appreciate the work that the volunteers have put into keeping this site running, especially since not everyone has the time to do any of this. All I was asking for was better communication next time, and to not pretend that everything went swimming well, so let's just move on.

This post has been edited by greatlakes100: Jan 10 2023, 09:36

So all of that was assumed by a couple of 4chan posts? You realize that not everyone here goes on 4chan. And if it was brigading, what explains the ESL posts or the fact that a good percentage of the accounts posting were quite old?

So it's not brigadeering if there are someone who doesn't participate?

There are over seven million registered accounts, 99.9% of which never make a post. EH and 4chan are both older websites with significantly overlapping userbases. A thread was posted on 4chan telling people to come post here. Yeah, many posts were obviously organic, but it was also brigadeered to hell. Suck it up.

I think the mistake here was that the staff assumed that this was only a minor change and communicated as such.

You mean like how the update notes say

This is likely the most complicated update in the site's history, so there will probably be bugs and other subtle behavioral changes. Please don't hesitate to ask whether something is intentional if it's not noted in these patch notes.

It was 2022, and most forums were and still are dying or already dead since Discord and Reddit have finish many of them off [...] This sort of thing might've been accepted 10-20 years when admins posted updates some in the corner of websites, but that sort of thing simply doesn't fly anymore, and users today don't expect that.

So what, we should make a Discord channel and post patch notes there? That's the proper zoomer way to do it? How the hell is that an improvement?

It's not hidden in obscure places. If you go to the news page the entire patch notes are literally right there, though they've been bumped down by the new year's stuff.

No one wants websites to shove notifications in their face. Even if you don't pay attention to the forum or follow the Twitter, if the UI changes and you actually care, checking literally any of the site's communication channels will tell you why.

All I was asking for was better communication next time, and to not pretend that everything went swimming well, so let's just move on.

What is better communication?
The amount of communication given is pretty much second to none. All the changes were detailed, and explained. Everyone had direct contact with the person who made the changes and were encourged to do so. Further 10b listened to it, fixed countless issues and made countless improvements. Yet somehow this isn't good enough. What more can you honestly want. What other site has gone to this level to explain a change? Maybe mangadex with their complete remake? You don't really find this level of communication anymore.

This is again you just dropping in demanding better, and then not even offering ways to improve it beyond vague buzz words. Offer a real solution on how to actually improve it for next time that isn't 1) a complete waste of time to do or 2) a complete waste of resources.

Also fyi Do it better, Tell people about it in advance, Or seek permission to do it from the community, Stage it better, are both.

I do think though if there is ever another change of this magnititude to happen certian people in this thread have demonstrated their ability (through finding issues, and offering constructive feedback) to be included in early betas. But again this isn't just something you can claim could have been done better because these people hadn't demonstrated their abilities yet.

This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: Jan 10 2023, 10:34

This is again you just dropping in demanding better, and then not even offering ways to improve it beyond vague buzz words. Offer a real solution on how to actually improve it for next time that isn't 1) a complete waste of time to do or 2) a complete waste of resources.

If you want solutions for communicating, I can give you some if you want.

For major changes to the site that will significant change user experience, have something like a large banner above the search box on the main site with the update condensed into a single sentence. In this case, maybe something like "Due to the increasing size of the website and stresses it has on the server, the pagination feature will be phased out in a month. For more information/feedback, click here" and have it linked to the forum.

For implementing large changes, give people a heads up ahead of time (like maybe a month before the roll out). That way users will have more time to adjust to the change and will allow the more tech-savy people to come out to help and contribute to the update. The userbase has growth significantly enough to the point that what was once sufficient 10 years ago, isn't cutting it anymore.

Again, the purpose of this forum at this point is to file complaints and feedback, so I really don't understand what's the problem.

Again, the purpose of this forum at this point is to file complaints and feedback, so I really don't understand what's the problem.

You have been telling us that the users should be spoon-fed and also enjoy a fully accommodating environment when they are healthy and capable adults living and working in the real world. The world is never that convenient and it is kind of insulting the users here. The news page is literally just one click away on the gallery site and this thread two clicks away.

In general, people who still complain now must note that they actually cannot represent the userbase at all, because only a very tiny fraction of users were upset enough with this update, especially considering what we got when we changed the look of some buttons as I explained in my last post above. Some arguments are also getting far-fetched. Please stop, guys.

Hi, is there a way to search category of galleries in favorites?
Note that by category I mean gallery category but not favorite category.
I favorited quite a lot of non-h and doujinshi galleries under the same favorite folder, but I failed to find a way to show only one category of them for easy browsing.
I tried appending ?f_cats=767 like in front page to url but it didn't work in favorites.

This post has been edited by isavior: Jan 10 2023, 16:07

The current methods are to add category names to your favourite notes on the galleries you want categorising, which can then be searched (example favnote:doujinshi), or to rename and match your favourite categories with the gallery categories.

Exclusion searches don't seem to respect slaved tags. Is that known / intentional? I couldn't find anything on it...

E.g. I would expect the search "bianca -dq5" to exclude all results tagged "dragon quest v", as dq5 is slaved to that. But it does not.

Exclusion searches don't seem to respect slaved tags. Is that known / intentional? I couldn't find anything on it...

Yes, this is intended. Otherwise it would cause unexpected exclusions more often than not.

damn, this is my first post ever

I saw that this is a computational issue in a comment on the first page. Idk much about programming, so idk how hard/easy it is to rework the coding. However, I'm guessing the admins won't bother with doing that to revert the change/add an option to enable the old ui. Nonetheless, I just wanted to break my silence and add to the pool of complainers.

One of the comments mentioned how there are very few complaining about the change vs how many visitors there are. That's honestly to be expected, especially for this type of site. Most people's only interaction with this site is to get off and then get off. Not many's gonna go to the forum, find this post, and then write to complain. I bothered because I've been using this for years. Imo, this is the best there is in terms of aggregation and I wanna keep it that way

On a side note... in regards to navigating via the url, who wants to use their keyboard that often when going about their business? I mean there are times when we need to use it, but compared to before, this is such a downgrade

I seriously hate the new navigation thing, I don't want to use anything but page numbers to navigate. I will not use it. I have no idea where I'm at when I'm going through my searches now. I'm too autistic or something to handle this change. Is there some sort of browser addon or something to bring it back?

This will be my first post in like a decade, that's how annyoing this is to me. I get there is some technical reason for the change (And I'm not gonna pretend that I have fully read this thread and understand it - I use this shit to fap why should I have to use my brainpower), but I'm sure it could be done better.

Edit: I feel like I have to defend myself after reading posts above, it seems low post count posters being lumped into a category of trolling and coordinating toegther from 4chan or something. I don't go to 4chan, I don't go to any imageboard or social media forum thing. I just fap on e-hentai and leave comments. I have no purpose really to communicate with other ppl on this forum. It took me over an hour to even figure out where on this forum to find the information/post about the navigation number thing being removed. It was done without explanation (as far am I'm concerned) and replaced with a weird circle next/prev thing. I don't it's fair to call everyone with low post count a troll. I don't know what else to do aside from complain though, I waited to see if it woudl change thinking it was some temporary thing but it didn't. I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.

This post has been edited by mecchist: Jan 14 2023, 01:55

I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.

If you actually are suggesting the use of Discord or Reddit to get the word out about changes here, then I have no respect for any further technical opinions you may express on related topics.

So what, we should make a Discord channel and post patch notes there? That's the proper zoomer way to do it? How the hell is that an improvement?

As a borderline milliennial/zoomer, I cannot thank you enough for not doing that.

Dude, I appreciate the work that the volunteers have put into keeping this site running, especially since not everyone has the time to do any of this. All I was asking for was better communication next time, and to not pretend that everything went swimming well, so let's just move on.

The very first thing I did when I saw the change was go to the 'news' link and see if there was some reason I shouldn't be pissed off. And lo and behold, there was a good reason for the changes.

It's strange to me that people exist (that are capable of reading and writing in English) that don't think to do that when trying to make sense of something that's just happened. It's like reading a company/service's blog when they make some policy change and try to justify their decision.

Dude, I appreciate the work that the volunteers have put into keeping this site running, especially since not everyone has the time to do any of this. All I was asking for was better communication next time, and to not pretend that everything went swimming well, so let's just move on.

See:

No one wants websites to shove notifications in their face. Even if you don't pay attention to the forum or follow the Twitter, if the UI changes and you actually care, checking literally any of the site's communication channels will tell you why.

In general, people who still complain now must note that they actually cannot represent the userbase at all, because only a very tiny fraction of users were upset enough with this update, especially considering what we got when we changed the look of some buttons as I explained in my last post above.

You know, I still prefer the old buttons but I'd almost forgotten about that at this point.
That reminds me though, one of the biggest annoyances to date I have had was regarding the tile size in the thumbnail view changing with an update around that time.

I seriously hate the new navigation thing, I don't want to use anything but page numbers to navigate. I will not use it.

Bye, then.

I have no idea where I'm at when I'm going through my searches now. I'm too autistic or something to handle this change. Is there some sort of browser addon or something to bring it back?

Next time read the original post, which explains quite plainly that the concept of a page no longer exists. Since the server no longer knows what a page is, no addon can do that unless it lies to you like the scrubby bar does.

waited to see if it woudl change thinking it was some temporary thing but it didn't. I don't know what else I'm supposed to do.

Adapt?
I'm autistic too, but I can read and understand based on every interaction I've ever had here I can say confidently that I have faith in the management that these changes aren't meant to be antagonistic. This site is far more transparent than almost anywhere else, and I appreciate that.