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Nov 27 2022, 16:45
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Ichizon
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QUOTE(ForPorn96567 @ Nov 27 2022, 11:04)  But I'm begging on my knees to PLEASE have an estimate of many results there are for multi-term searches. Having just "many" for anywhere from 5 to over 10,000 results is insane. Even a rough estimate will do
I am not entirely sure how the counter system works right now, but if you're getting "many" results you can be fairly certain that it will take a while to get through, 25 at a time. I can produce a search right now that gives "about 61,790 results" in all categories, or "about 1,248 results" in the cosplay category alone. Better counters is of course a welcome addition, but until then if you want to estimate how far you're getting for each page turn, look at the gallery ID when you click "next". It will count towards GID 1. So the first page it may be at 2.38M and the next it could be 2.37M, and so on. If it goes less than 5000 per turn, you can imagine it will take a while. You can also use the dates, though GID might be a better indicator as it is a less relative number. Some drawbacks: - Newer galleries are usually better tagged than old ones. Pages will probably speed up towards a lower GID. - Searching for newer specific tags, e.g. a new artist that came about in 2018, will yield more results at the beginning and suddenly end. - TIP: If you're seeing endless translations that you don't care about, you should limit your search by language or untranslated. Some artists or publications can have dozens of pages with "duplicates" due to translations.
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Nov 27 2022, 17:00
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Cipher-kun
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Tenb says he has ideas for how to improve how many results there are for a search.
These take time to implement because it's a difficult problem.
The system is trying to avoid searching in one go for how many results there are in total for your search as that's expensive. So it needs a way of guessing based on factors that is cheap to calculate.
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Nov 28 2022, 08:29
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Bior
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I guess I just feel like, if a search is able to tell me "Found about 246 results" can't it just fake how many page numbers there are on the front user end, and like if I click page 3 then it can just pretend I clicked next 3 times, or if I am on page 10 and click page 7 it can pretend I clicked back 3 times, I'm not a web page designer or coder or anything but isn't faking stuff on the frontend pretty normal for places to make it more user friendly
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Nov 28 2022, 14:10
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The_Devian
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QUOTE(Cipher-kun @ Nov 17 2022, 05:27)  If you could read you would know it was fixed because it was broken.
Well, I am dyslexic, so no, I can't read well, but what I do know is that this site worked well, and was the best place to get manga. Now, the same search that would find me new things every day, is turning up 5 things in the last month. That is completely broken, and unusable. This site no longer works at all. I can't find anything I want any more. Between that and the lack of page numbers, it is completely broken and beyond useless. Whereas before, it was perfect. Now, I need to find a new place to find manga, for the first time in over a decade.
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Nov 28 2022, 14:53
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Mayriad
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QUOTE(The_Devian @ Nov 28 2022, 12:10)  Now, the same search that would find me new things every day, is turning up 5 things in the last month. That is completely broken, and unusable. This site no longer works at all. I can't find anything I want any more.
What search query(s) did you use to find new things everyday that is now broken? All the content is still there and you most likely just need to update your query.
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Nov 28 2022, 17:27
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Cipher-kun
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QUOTE(Mayriad @ Nov 28 2022, 12:53)  What search query(s) did you use to find new things everyday that is now broken? All the content is still there and you most likely just need to update your query.
Can confirm, my searches return the same content before and after the change. (Some searches work even better now due to all the new features). Perhaps provide details like suggested so the issue can be looked at, resolved, and fixed if needed rather than whinging about it.
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Nov 28 2022, 19:03
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tehyar
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Well I have been using the site for a while since the changes, and wanted to give more feedback again, especially considering the severity of the repetitive negative feedback in the thread.
I use the site every day for a decade now, sometimes doing multiple searches for hours, for what I’m in the mood for at the time.
The lack of page numbers has affected me not at all. Yet? I just leave the tab open to come back, always have. Maybe the way I use it prevented the change from affecting me. Either way, a world clearly still exists where this is viable.
The faster response time is nice.
The fact that now when you back out of a gallery it stays at the same spot in the list is nice (accidental upgrade?)
The new navigation text is easier and more convenient to hit. (Tablet user)
I realize my positive feedback may further anger the angry, but I think it’s necessary anyway to demonstrate it’s not all doom and gloom.
Happy, fappy camper here. 100% positive so far!
This post has been edited by tehyar: Nov 28 2022, 19:12
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Nov 28 2022, 21:09
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Hinoka
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QUOTE(tehyar @ Nov 28 2022, 09:03)  Well I have been using the site for a while since the changes, and wanted to give more feedback again, especially considering the severity of the repetitive negative feedback in the thread.
I use the site every day for a decade now, sometimes doing multiple searches for hours, for what I’m in the mood for at the time.
The lack of page numbers has affected me not at all. Yet? I just leave the tab open to come back, always have. Maybe the way I use it prevented the change from affecting me. Either way, a world clearly still exists where this is viable.
The faster response time is nice.
The fact that now when you back out of a gallery it stays at the same spot in the list is nice (accidental upgrade?)
The new navigation text is easier and more convenient to hit. (Tablet user)
I realize my positive feedback may further anger the angry, but I think it’s necessary anyway to demonstrate it’s not all doom and gloom.
Happy, fappy camper here. 100% positive so far!
People are just over reacting. They can still browse by date. I care more about HV now so I don't tend to visit the galleries as much as I used to. But when I did vist them daily I would always use the date even when it had page numbers. I'd see what was uploaded daily and would use the date to navigate. In my opinion I think its that people in general don't like big changes. There was also a bit of an overreaction when buttons at the top of the galleries was changed. People have to remember that this is an amazing site and its free to use.
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Nov 29 2022, 01:37
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Elemhunter
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So Expunged galleries on now on a separate search? That's pretty annoying, I have to check two bookmarks now instead of just having it in one.
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Nov 29 2022, 02:18
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Keratos
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QUOTE(Elemhunter @ Nov 29 2022, 02:37)  So Expunged galleries on now on a separate search? That's pretty annoying, I have to check two bookmarks now instead of just having it in one.
Other guy was also confused but anything you can find in expunged index is also in normal index. Unless you are searching for forbidden content which is a sin (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 29 2022, 03:05
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Beryl
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Great search changes
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Nov 29 2022, 09:03
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Kay_ji
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I don't mind the new search engine. But i have some suggestions (if they are impossible to implement then please ignore since i'm not a dev of any kind) 1. Page selector for favorites 2. Show the number of results on a specific date when u seek/jump (Ex: 200 results on 30/12/22) And thank you all for your hard work.
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Nov 29 2022, 18:34
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h.apeiria
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Has the refund on the Paging Enlargement iii acquisition been executed? I still have not received my refund.
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Nov 29 2022, 18:49
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Blue Mage
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God, I never realized how much I absolutely relied on the page numbers to navigate. But ever since they disappeared, I've been utterly lost. I've missed so many tag updates, I feel very strange. lol I'm not a fan of this update after using it for a month. But one man can't change the world, so I'll just have to learn to live with the missing leg.
This post has been edited by Blue Mage: Nov 29 2022, 18:50
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Nov 30 2022, 01:07
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The_Devian
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QUOTE(Hinoka @ Nov 28 2022, 21:09)  People are just over reacting. They can still browse by date. I care more about HV now so I don't tend to visit the galleries as much as I used to. But when I did vist them daily I would always use the date even when it had page numbers. I'd see what was uploaded daily and would use the date to navigate.
In my opinion I think its that people in general don't like big changes. There was also a bit of an overreaction when buttons at the top of the galleries was changed. People have to remember that this is an amazing site and its free to use.
But without search terms/keywords/tags working, then you are just browsing blind, and there is no way to find what you want. I just want to be able to search for what I want to see, and not have to wade through everything else to find it, I work 12-16 hours a day, and I don't have free time to fuck around. So, unless only 5 or 6 things have been posted in the last month and a half, there is something seriously broken in this new system. I don't get why no one can see this as a problem. Am I the only one here who searches for tags? This post has been edited by The_Devian: Nov 30 2022, 01:08
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Nov 30 2022, 01:52
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aklfhl
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QUOTE(The_Devian @ Nov 30 2022, 07:07)  But without search terms/keywords/tags working, then you are just browsing blind, and there is no way to find what you want. I just want to be able to search for what I want to see, and not have to wade through everything else to find it, I work 12-16 hours a day, and I don't have free time to fuck around. So, unless only 5 or 6 things have been posted in the last month and a half, there is something seriously broken in this new system. I don't get why no one can see this as a problem. Am I the only one here who searches for tags?
Tag searching works as expected for me (even faster with new engine). If you think something went wrong, please at least give an example.
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Nov 30 2022, 02:05
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Cipher-kun
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QUOTE(The_Devian @ Nov 29 2022, 23:07)  But without search terms/keywords/tags working, then you are just browsing blind, and there is no way to find what you want. I just want to be able to search for what I want to see, and not have to wade through everything else to find it, I work 12-16 hours a day, and I don't have free time to fuck around. So, unless only 5 or 6 things have been posted in the last month and a half, there is something seriously broken in this new system. I don't get why no one can see this as a problem. Am I the only one here who searches for tags?
Again rather than complain about an issue no one else is having, lay out your problem so it can be investigated. It has occurred to me you might not understand what this means. Post the full searches you are making, so people can look at them. I use tags every day to search, not once has it not returned the results I'm looking for. Other people use tags, and they are not having problems either. The issue you're having is probably explained in the thread but given you cannot read you wont find it. You're doing something wrong, stop being a baby, let others help you instead of crying all day. Not sure what claiming to work all day has to do with anything when you can then come here to just waste your time with useless posts. This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: Nov 30 2022, 02:08
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Nov 30 2022, 09:05
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Hinoka
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QUOTE(The_Devian @ Nov 29 2022, 15:07)  But without search terms/keywords/tags working, then you are just browsing blind, and there is no way to find what you want. I just want to be able to search for what I want to see, and not have to wade through everything else to find it, I work 12-16 hours a day, and I don't have free time to fuck around. So, unless only 5 or 6 things have been posted in the last month and a half, there is something seriously broken in this new system. I don't get why no one can see this as a problem. Am I the only one here who searches for tags?
Is there something specific you can't find? I don't seem to be having trouble with the searches. If I search for a certain artist I get the majority of his works. Granted there are some works that are going to be taken down so if you really want something you better download the archive before it happens. You can also filter your results by selecting the buttons at the top. I only have Doujinshi and Manga active I don't really care for the other ones. I just did a random tag search for nuns and English. I got 395 results or about 4 pages worth of results. If I search for Michiking or Airandou I also get their works. I do remember Michiking having more works done so maybe some got taken down who knows. Like I said if you see something you like download the archive in case it gets taken down in the future. I'm not really sure what problems you are having then again I have all the hath perks for the site so maybe your results are different than mine. Still I stand by what I said that the date is more important than the page numbers and I'll give you an example. Lets rewind the clock to a time where we weren't harassed as much by DMCA requests. Lets say you want to download all the translated English doujinshi you like so you check the site constantly, download what you want, and then you leave off on page 9 for tomorrow. Well that same day new works are going to be uploaded so page 9 now becomes page 11 and this keeps going on every day. Every day new page numbers are added and the previous stuff gets pushed back and back. What if you miss a couple days? If you only remembered your page number than its meaningless. The only way to remember where you left off was the date because you would lose your place with the page numbers being pushed back to make way for the new galleries. Well my experience with the site might be vastly different than yours since I'm a catgirl with all the hath perks. You should at least try to get some of the hath perks for the galleries. They don't cost that much and if you casually play HV you'd probably would have saved enough hath for all of them by now. Then again to each their own. This post has been edited by Hinoka: Nov 30 2022, 09:21
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Dec 1 2022, 06:21
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Moonlight Rambler
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QUOTE(Kay_ji @ Nov 29 2022, 07:03)  I don't mind the new search engine. But i have some suggestions (if they are impossible to implement then please ignore since i'm not a dev of any kind) 1. Page selector for favorites 2. Show the number of results on a specific date when u seek/jump (Ex: 200 results on 30/12/22) And thank you all for your hard work.
See this, guys? This is what a constructive post looks like. Not that anyone complaining actually reads the first post. QUOTE(Hezard @ Nov 27 2022, 03:28)  No offense to those that worked on the new search engine, BUT. I am gradually starting to hate the new Seek/Jump feature. I can see its usefulness but I for one would like the option of searching by page number when it suits me. What part of "page numbers aren't coming back" is so hard for people to understand? To skip three "pages" server-side with this new system requires flipping through three pages of results on the server and then returning the link. Computationally expensive. QUOTE(Hezard @ Nov 27 2022, 03:28)  Worse yet, I can no longer just type a page number into the URL to get to where I want, which makes the changes even more irritating. Yes, because page numbers no longer exist. In any form except that of memory. Period. The server has no concept of them. QUOTE(Blue Mage @ Nov 29 2022, 16:49)  God, I never realized how much I absolutely relied on the page numbers to navigate. But ever since they disappeared, I've been utterly lost. I've missed so many tag updates, I feel very strange. lol I'm not a fan of this update after using it for a month. But one man can't change the world, so I'll just have to learn to live with the missing leg. If you're looking for tag updates, click "First" instead of refreshing. Although I guess that's greyed out if you're already looking at what was first when you loaded the page. This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Dec 1 2022, 06:21
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Dec 1 2022, 10:58
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DUnzHeWQKSbBjgfdpVbI
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I am a dev myself so I understand the difficulties behind the scenes with such a large query per minute
I understand that there will not be any official implementation of paging anymore, on the other hand I also miss paging myself
Are we allowed to implement paging as a frontend browser extension function ourself?
I ask for this explicitly since such a paging function will create a larger amount of request per user, by automatically clicking prev/next buttom, thus generating 1 request per page skipped
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