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Not for now.

Well that's bullshit. I can't wait to hear the excuse for why they thought that would be a good idea.

Dude, as it stands i'm surprised this site is still working, what do you mean by being too cheap. I doubt this site is turing enormous profits. Or who knows?

The site heads have already admitted that the entire reason that they removed the page numbers because keeping them would have required them to do hardware upgrades that they were unwilling to pay for.

At that point it becomes pretty clear that this is them falling into the same trap as any other company that tries to cut costs by putting off needed server and/or system upgrades, only to inevitably end up having to pay far more money than the upgrades ever would have cost once the system finally shits itself to death due to running on outdated and overtaxed hardware.

Frankly, I give e-hentai 10 years, tops, before the site and all the data on it is lost for good as a result of the owner's cheapness. Better start backing up everything now.

I mean, the only thing i went to expunge galleries is to search for removed copyright content. Under normal circumstances and as normal user, no one really wants to see them, they are meant to be put in trash. And if you are talking about reuploaded stuff for visibility that is more of feature request as a rotating galleries showing you the good stuff from past that are already there somewhere.

I would kind of like a feature where if some gallery in another language is uploaded and i have this language filtered out, i would either see the non-translated gallery or english version.

And maybe a gallery which is only a link to the anthology with it's own separate tags so you actually know what's in there. So that one good title can be extracted from the rest of mediocre stuff, and your search result for author/tag can hit it.

Yeah, see, I just cannot understand this viewpoint at all. I don't know about you, but I am more than capable of curating my own content, thank you very much. I neither need, nor want, anyone other than me filtering the galeries via expunging content. I'd rather go through 100 pages of trash if the alternative is having even one good galery be filtered and hidden from me behind my back.

Please bring back page numbers. It is incredibly uncomfortable to browse now. Huge downgrade in terms of user experience, I don't understand how or why anyone would think this would be a good idea.

There are galleries that are just nothing but random collections of images, those are a definite purge. As for gatekeeping, who is seriously going to miss Western trash like this?

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Like come on, you gotta have at least something to call a standard. There are also tons of galleries that are just 4-6 pages because the uploader wants to get easy currency or whatever trash that motivates people to upload garbage on this site.

First of all, this is not the right thread to discuss purging. Seondly, your individual tastes means completely nothing; a lot of people has a lot of different tastes, and from the point of view of design art prowess the gallery whose link you give is pretty good. So much so that is an example AGAINST your argument, rather then in favor ! *sigh*

Last but not least, doing what you suggest wouldn't change a thing with respect to the issues that prompted the change of the search system.

So, I'm afraid I have to tell you that the only real trash here are your posts.
Grow up, study, learn ... so someday you'll be able to say meaningful things, eventually.

Please bring back page numbers. It is incredibly uncomfortable to browse now. Huge downgrade in terms of user experience, I don't understand how or why anyone would think this would be a good idea.

Already asked and answered tons of times .... short story is : either that or site eternal shutdown.

This post has been edited by mundomuñeca: Nov 21 2022, 14:24

The site heads have already admitted that the entire reason that they removed the page numbers because keeping them would have required them to do hardware upgrades that they were unwilling to pay for.

Uh, no. The reason for the change is that even if we doubled the size of the web cluster it would at most delay the need to change the search engine by a couple of years, for the simple reason that the size of the index is increasing exponentially, and the old search engine was never designed to scale to an index this size.

Despite people like you thinking otherwise, money for hosting has to come from somewhere, and as someone who has contributed a grand total of zero dollars in your twelve years here, you should probably stop talking.

At that point it becomes pretty clear that this is them falling into the same trap as any other company that tries to cut costs by putting off needed server and/or system upgrades, only to inevitably end up having to pay far more money than the upgrades ever would have cost once the system finally shits itself to death due to running on outdated and overtaxed hardware.

We use Dual Xeon Gold 5118 servers with 256 GB of RAM for the web cluster. Six of them. Outdated? Not so much.

Yeah, see, I just cannot understand this viewpoint at all. I don't know about you, but I am more than capable of curating my own content, thank you very much. I neither need, nor want, anyone other than me filtering the galeries via expunging content. I'd rather go through 100 pages of trash if the alternative is having even one good galery be filtered and hidden from me behind my back.

Uhmm. Expunged doesn't mean "removed because someone didn't like it", so it isn't an argument of "trash/not trash" and "curating your own content". https://ehwiki.org/wiki/expunged#Reasons_To_Expunge

This post has been edited by Keratos: Nov 21 2022, 14:29

The lack of page numbers is an INSANE decision. Good fucking God. One of the stupidest site changes I've ever seen.

I miss the page numbers. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

but I can at least semi-begrudgingly accept that it was done because the site owners were too cheap to shell out for the needed hardware upgrades.

Ah yes, not wanting to pay $4500 extra a month to sustain for now a system that will continue to get worse and cost even more for *checks notes* someone who has never donated.

Despite people like you thinking otherwise, money for hosting has to come from somewhere, and as someone who has contributed a grand total of zero dollars in your twelve years here, you should probably stop talking.
We use Dual Xeon Gold 5118 servers with 256 GB of RAM for the web cluster. Six of them. Outdated? Not so much.

Not even EPYC genoa 9654s seems out dated to me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by Cipher-kun: Nov 21 2022, 16:38

The amount of people who are suddenly experts in hosting such a massive page and index in this thread is mind-boggling. Yes, 'throw more hardware/money at it' is always the educated solution isn't it?
Something tells me these people would never spare a dime to support this community.

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气不气? Searches that involve nothing more than one tag suddenly are blazing fast here. Amazing gallery update, great job!

All that donation talk is fun. Should've held onto my magic money and throw it at a tactical time to get 50 catgirl levels or something if donating more than a certain amount has any particular meaning other than ego inflation.

The amount of people who are suddenly experts in hosting such a massive page and index in this thread is mind-boggling. Yes, 'throw more hardware/money at it' is always the educated solution isn't it?
Something tells me these people would never spare a dime to support this community.

Even though the bulk of the routing is done by the community itself, there are plenty of incentives to have perverted netizens spend. The top two being HV and Bamboo Bear Market (你懂的)

It's my first message and i'm no gonna trash talk or anything like that.

But man, one of the key things that made me love this website was being able to jump from the gallery pages.

EDIT: didn't notice Tenboro already answered you. Oh well.

Well that's bullshit. I can't wait to hear the excuse for why they thought that would be a good idea.
The site heads have already admitted that the entire reason that they removed the page numbers because keeping them would have required them to do hardware upgrades that they were unwilling to pay for.

You can't just upgrade hardware indefinitely. There is a finite limit.
If you want them to have that hardware, though, why don't you pay for it, then?
You'd quickly come to understand the problem.
Yes, I have not donated either, mostly because of the combined hassle of crypto and my own personal economic situation. But at least I don't go around whining about this site while doing nothing to try to find solutions. When I complained earlier in this thread, I suggested things that could be done to lessen the annoyance (date jumping) - and even if that was already in the works before I suggested it, date jumping being implemented obviates most of my concerns. They're doing what they can within the limits of computing power.

At that point it becomes pretty clear that this is them falling into the same trap as any other company that tries to cut costs by putting off needed server and/or system upgrades, only to inevitably end up having to pay far more money than the upgrades ever would have cost once the system finally shits itself to death due to running on outdated and overtaxed hardware.

Wrong. This is a problem of computational complexity, not a hardware issue at heart.
The system was designed with a smaller amount of data in mind. These are growing pains.
Hardware upgrades could do nothing but delay the inevitable while wasting a ton of money just so you can beat your meat more easily.

Frankly, I give e-hentai 10 years, tops, before the site and all the data on it is lost for good as a result of the owner's cheapness. Better start backing up everything now.

You're hilarious.
Reminder that you're foretelling the death of a site entirely because they changed the search engine to avoid the death of the site.

Ummm.... What in Gods name is going on here?
Now since everyone and their cat is already throwing their (well deserved) hatred at the new search system I might as well make my comment on it.

While I enjoy the new smoother and cleaner HUD design for searching, to be honest the new search engine is a load of poop - I honestly cannot think of any better way of saying it. For starters the page system was extremely well designed as is since it was easy to navigate as a simple anon on the site. You didn't need to know dates and times and reference numbers just to find a specific artbook or doujinshi, however now the site runs like a image randomizer. The site navigation has no support for new or random users.

While my personal opinion likely doesn't matter to the site-admins as a random anon however I would rather have the old stuff back, I feel like I am scrolling through a low-quality rule-34 porn site with no design or user compatibility. Even low quality scan sites have better navigations.

read the original post.
This was a change that was necessary tor the site to continue to work, not just change for the sake of it.
I don't love it either, but I at least understand why it's necessary from a computational perspective.
The end user isn't a god, and computers aren't perfect. Some tradeoffs have to be made.

BTW, I am extremely conservative and old fashioned when it comes to web design and UX. But because I have at least some understanding of what's actually going on here under the hood, I am able to accept this change.

I'm not too thrilled about being unable to show expunged results in the same query as non-expunged ones, either, but I'm not about to proclaim the death of the site because of it.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Nov 21 2022, 20:08

one of the key things that made me love this website was being able to jump from the gallery pages.

Basically all sites like e-h have this feature, so you love all those sites just because they have page numbers?

But man, one of the key things that made me love this website was being able to jump from the gallery pages.

...and clicking Jump/Seek then jumping forward a day, month, or year or two doesn't do it for you? Arguably a better way to jump around results than before imo.

I didn't understood why these changes got implemented and got quite annoyed with them.

I've read your explanation that is because of technical difficulties with the server. If this helps you fix the issues then I can make a sacrifice over the page numbers.

No one have time to read 23405 pages of results anyway.

While I somewhat understand from reading through this thread the belief that many of these changes were necessary to reduce the strain on the server, it's also abundantly clear that many users, myself included feel like they were implemented 1) in a way that significantly reduces our ability to use the site how we want to use it and 2) were not communicated well ahead of time, if at all.

Moreover, the old search was still functional even if it was inefficient which makes the frustration even more understandable. We have gotten used to having page numbers. We have gotten used to having expunged and low-power tag searches be an AND not OR operation.

So trying to quash legitimate criticism and suggesting some absolutely ridiculous workarounds like searching by GID (as if the majority of people ever even noticed the existence of the GID, let alone know what to search for or saying that there can't possibly be any reason to want to see both expunged and non-expunged galleries in the same search (like seeing if an expunged version has a different page order than the one that replaced it, even if the quality is higher, for example or just a recognition that expungement is a human-driven activity and can result in error) is not helping to make the case.

It's especially unhelpful when it seems like some of the people defending the changes are making some questionable or even outright bad arguments (e.g., argumentum ad hominem, etc.) which just inflames the situation.

it's also abundantly clear that many users, myself included feel like they were implemented 1) in a way that significantly reduces our ability to use the site how we want to use it

Tenboro is aware of this. The change is admittedly in no way for the better on the user-end, but solely an improvement on server usage. Aside from donations, H@H and contributions from various helpers, this site is mainly coded and run by him alone.

2) were not communicated well ahead of time, if at all.

I agree on this. There was a thread and a beta, but for the many users not actively using the forums, the change came pretty out of the blue, and it was a pretty significant change.

Moreover, the old search was still functional even if it was inefficient which makes the frustration even more understandable. We have gotten used to having page numbers. We have gotten used to having expunged and low-power tag searches be an AND not OR operation.

I understand the frustration as well, but the problem in this thread has been that a lot of posters are posting the same things without reading. And I don't mean they should read all the 1,5k replies, but they are not even reading the first Admin post or the last page of replies. Maybe something like admin post navigation would be helpful ("Skip to next admin post"), but I'm not sure.

From my understanding, the change was overdue and the load was increasing exponentially. I don't know if this means the number of uploads or exponential processing of the index in computing terms. The former means that each search gets linearly more taxing, but multiplied with the number of searches which are also increasing. While the latter means each addition to the index increases load exponentially for each search, which is worse.

So trying to quash legitimate criticism and suggesting some absolutely ridiculous workarounds like searching by GID

I am under the impression, and have faith in Tenboro, that the new system will be improved over time with constructive posts and criticism. It's still only one guy working on it and improvising. The "we want pages back" posts are just useless and demoralising, 'cause pages are unlikely to come back, at least not as a purely reverted feature. Most of them also come across as demanding, angry and unwilling to read and understand.

It's especially unhelpful when it seems like some of the people defending the changes are making some questionable or even outright bad arguments (e.g., argumentum ad hominem, etc.) which just inflames the situation.

Probably true, but happens due to the constant repeated posts from people who did not read. It would be better not to answer them or make a nice, canned response imho, but I'm just one poster here. The frustration is understandable, but the tone of the posts is not.

While I'm sad to see the page numbers go, I find that the time jump feature is almost as good. I just kinda wish that the buttons worked instantly rather than placing the value in the box and requiring an additional click to perform the jump. Who knows though, maybe I'm just weird.

I too have trouble reading through 700 pages, but have you heard any response on the suggestion to allow selective use of page numbers for searches not exceeding 1000 pages?
I don't think everyone who is inconvenienced is jumping through 1000+ pages of huge search results every day

I think it's natural for people to be frustrated and not keep track of all the sporadic replies scattered throughout the thread.
How about creating a template of frequently asked questions and responses to them?
with a somewhat apologetic tone to appease.

I too have trouble reading through 700 pages, but have you heard any response on the suggestion to allow selective use of page numbers for searches not exceeding 1000 pages?

There have been suggestions to add shortcuts for jumping a few "pages" ahead or "time-based" buttons. I.e. something like +1, +2, +3 pages, or +1w, +1m +1y. There is a userscript that has been posted a few times that adds the latter functionality (the former would require server-side implementation, or would have to autoload x pages in rapid sequence).

From my comprehension, the search engine does not always know how many pages there are in a search, or from which gallery a "page" beyond the current one would begin. It just knows dates and GID. When you go to the next page, it fetches the next set of results based on the previous GID. The number of hits for a search are not counted beyond a certain threshold, and the number of hits are not accurate with categories deselected (an algorithm divides the total number into an estimate based on the selected categories).