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post Nov 2 2022, 16:12
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Can't really find the GID......Any chance showing the GID of every gallery in the title or somewhere people can easily find?
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:12
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Now I change my comment
This update makes the web page more cleaner, and I realize I've never used the page feature...

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post Nov 2 2022, 16:12
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1. Expunged results should be included with regular results, loss this feature is sad.
2. Association-based tag searches are more important than specific number-based gid searches.
3. Update should be backward compatible.

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post Nov 2 2022, 16:13
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QUOTE(woot5 @ Nov 2 2022, 15:32) *

Edit: Ah, no. Searching as I used to is just completely broken. Searching "corr" used to bring up anything with that string in it's title or tag (useful for male: corruption and female:corruption), but now it appears to only grab the titles. It jumps from page 1 being October results to page 3 being march results, when it should have October results still returning on page 3.

It looks like I now have to explicitly search "female:corruption" to return results, which is just not a great change. This mostly impacts multi-word searches, like using the term "mind" as a catchall for mind control and mind break, for instance. Additionally, it means that if you want to search a tag on both genders, you have to double the amount of tags you're searching. Just an absolutely terrible quality of life change.

Even if you had to kill pagination, which sucks but is understandable, killing the ability for partial string search on tags isn't good (unless the idea is to open user-created tags onto galleries, which could be useful but result in a ton of issues for partial string searches). I'm assuming user-created tags are never going to be a thing, so bringing back partial tag searches is ideal for QOL and usability.


"mind" works for me to find both mind control and mind break, and "corruption" works to find both male and female corruption. ("corr" indeed doesn't work, for whatever reason.)
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:14
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I would also like something like page selector back as relying on GID to navigate is horrendous. There's a reason there's a entire job specialization to handle databases and IDs and the general public just gets small numbers in boxes to click. I understand why its no good from a technical standpoint, but its incredibly unfriendly on the user side and needs something on that end.

Trying to spitball a 7 digit number and growing for deep searches or even simple navigation is unintuitive and extremely time consuming, more so when you have a terrible memory.
I'm not even sure how GID is supposed to work exactly. From the front page when I click next
I get
next=2366644
next again gets me
next=2366618
next again gets me
next=2366591

Going Previous/Next will sometimes decrement it by 1, other times it jumps by like 30+ or more. I have no idea exact what GID corresponds to which gallery, timeframe or range. Going back 100k GID sent me to ~2.5 months? But the page I get sees has published files from both Early August 2022 AND Early July 2022 on the same page? Going back another 100k GID (200k total) suddenly throws me into March 2022 (3-4 months), then another 100k throws me into January 2022 (2 months).



Say I wanna check out a specific range of years or months. Or even a specific file I only have a very general idea of when/where it may be. How many times do I to jump around till I find it?

Old system I can jump X pages to hop around weeks/months/years at a time or jump to a specific page with a smaller "easier" to remember value. Then I could quickly move between smaller increments of pages till I narrow it down, then "internalize" relatively small number value to remember as a frame of reference for future searches.

New system, even if I were familiar with it I'd have to jump around way more because the amount of "traverse" relative to the GID is inconsistent, then I'd have to remember a 6-7 digit number if I want to be "in approximate range" and for later use I'd have to remember how many pages offset from that number if I even remember it in the first place.

Using something from a week ago, I've already page hopped 15 times to get back to the same DATE of publishing something through GID hopping, then another 4 pages to get to the one I wanted. And THAT is because I have it open on another tab and could cross reference the date/time beforehand.
I could have probably found completely within half the pages under the old system By hopping maybe ~15 pages back, then forward/prev 2 or 3 pages and landed on it.

VIA GID I have no clue how I got to that page, I was basically hopping around in hundred and thousand increments till the publish date matched and within the two edits I did I already forgotten what the GID value was for that page.

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post Nov 2 2022, 16:15
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Where is page numbers? Why we even needed this update to make everyone mad?

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post Nov 2 2022, 16:17
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QUOTE(Rezaru @ Nov 2 2022, 14:05) *

What I don't feel like the admins understand about these complaints are:

Firstly, page numbers provided an instant, shifting, point of reference. The new system can be used to navigate from fixed indices, and will eventually work better for the experienced user with organized bookmarks, notes, and maybe even scripts making GIDs points of reference. However, only the most experienced users can make heads or tails of this at a glance, and only staff can use it to its full potential while others scramble to learn this previously-unnecessary method.

Secondly, GIDs are not a human-readable number without a learning curve. I'm sure plenty of users will get there eventually, but we've had no transition period and I think the frame of reference is being biased by the admins for having first-handedly worked on this for so long. As a user, I thought I felt comfortable with all functions of the site, but I never saw GID as anything more than a URL index. Incorporating it into use is foreign, and I have to create my own frame of reference on several points such as where they fit into each search, what dates they correlate to, and how to efficiently find them when GID isn't present in previews except as a link preview in the browser.

This isn't a difficult bar to clear for me, but it's a significantly higher bar than "can you count to the current page number?" Users that fall below the bar are going to be incredibly upset.

The bottom line is that people frequent this network for instant gratification, and this update requires a bit of reading and stepping out of established comfort. These two concepts don't mesh.

I understand that this was necessary from a technical standpoint, but I feel that such a change needed a transition period to give people a chance to prepare, rather than having nuked bookmarks and a sink-or-swim introduction to the new system.


laypeople and regular users are not going to understand anythjing that is not presented front and center on the UI if you ask me, this GID stuff even existing is news to me.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:20
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OK, totally bewildered but I think I figured it out.
First thing was that I didn't know what GID is, took a little while but it's the first set of numbers in the URL. Ok, good. Since I've been doing not really searches but browsing through about 80,000 results over the last few weeks (don't ask me why lol), I was about half-way through when the hammer dropped. I had some idea where I was but couldn't remember exactly so I picked one gallery I thought was close enough, got the GID and did the "modify the URL" thing. So far so good. I think it works well enough as it did before with the page numbers, but I gotta tell you, honestly finding a GID and manually modifying the URL? Really user friendly! Well, it's done, not much to say but at least:

Can you add a button that allows you to save any GID so that I can restart my browsing from there? And not in cookies!! I don't keep them.

Can you add a start from GID button or a field that I can paste/type the GID to move the starting point somewhere in the middle just to make it a bit easier?

Hell of a lot of work you did, perhaps fixing it a bit over time would be good. Oh and what's that "many results" thing about? I remember that when Windows10 came out with their file manager lol.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:21
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Chiming in to say that this update is awful and makes navigating content a living nightmare. That is all.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:22
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QUOTE(Rezaru @ Nov 2 2022, 22:05) *

What I don't feel like the admins understand about these complaints are:

Firstly, page numbers provided an instant, shifting, point of reference. The new system can be used to navigate from fixed indices, and will eventually work better for the experienced user with organized bookmarks, notes, and maybe even scripts making GIDs points of reference. However, only the most experienced users can make heads or tails of this at a glance, and only staff can use it to its full potential while others scramble to learn this previously-unnecessary method.

Secondly, GIDs are not a human-readable number without a learning curve. I'm sure plenty of users will get there eventually, but we've had no transition period and I think the frame of reference is being biased by the admins for having first-handedly worked on this for so long. As a user, I thought I felt comfortable with all functions of the site, but I never saw GID as anything more than a URL index. Incorporating it into use is foreign, and I have to create my own frame of reference on several points such as where they fit into each search, what dates they correlate to, and how to efficiently find them when GID isn't present in previews except as a link preview in the browser.

This isn't a difficult bar to clear for me, but it's a significantly higher bar than "can you count to the current page number?" Users that fall below the bar are going to be incredibly upset.

The bottom line is that people frequent this network for instant gratification, and this update requires a bit of reading and stepping out of established comfort. These two concepts don't mesh.

I understand that this was necessary from a technical standpoint, but I feel that such a change needed a transition period to give people a chance to prepare, rather than having nuked bookmarks and a sink-or-swim introduction to the new system.


I totally agree with you. I think we can provide more options for this update, rather than simply and rudely pushing everyone to the new version


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post Nov 2 2022, 16:22
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Well, I will also tell my opinion.

The Page Selector was and is the best option for a fast searching. How older a upload, it will be a nightmare to find it with this "Next / Back" version.
It kills your energie for looking and searching. Because all other sites have the page-selector.
I have also no Idea, why E-H but the update loosed it. That makes no sence in my eyes.

I am at E-H since a very long time, my account is younger, but this is the most shock sinse the "sayonara from Sad Panda" for view years.

Please check it out and see if it's really that good.
Many people said it is not good, me incloude.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:23
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Found * results. Your default filters removed * galleries from this page. [Disable Filters]


The galleries that "[Disable Filters]" reveal aren't using tagsets anymore, it's nice to see why a particular gallery was filtered out without having to open it.

Is this intended?

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Nov 2 2022, 12:09) *

The "Search Gallery Name", "Search Gallery Tags" and "Search Gallery Description" checkboxes as well as the corresponding search checkboxes on the Favorite page have all been removed; this functionality is now part of the search syntax instead.


What is the point of this? It just seems like an arbitrary removal of functionality... I prefer the checkboxes because quite frankly I don't want to have to memorize yet another set of bespoke search terms.

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post Nov 2 2022, 16:23
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never had the need to post to forum before now, just the sheer number of users asking about page navigation should tell admin that its removal was a bad idea.

You took e-h from something that could be fully customized to each users' browsing preferences and destroyed it in favor of how admin feels the user should be browsing with no forethought of user experience beyond need of backend opimization.

Lack of expunged+visible viewing simultaneously is a stupid change. if im searching for a specific artist or author, the difference between visible and expunged is miniscule in terms of resources, yet now i have to rerun the search over again if i want to toggle between galllery visibility

Lack of pages in favs now makes it impossible to find or view galleries that were bookmarked in the middle 50's. admins solutiom is navigate by GID, but gid is backass backwards and not intuitive at all, especially in favorites. from front page, one next click jumps gid from ending 6210 to 6134 even though its set to display 25/page, another click you jump to 6076. so basically if i want to jump back a few pages now, i have to play a guessing game and input a randome gid that is close to what front page url lists as. worst indexing ever, this is like the early days of the internet but worse, even shitty bbss back then had page indexing

hardheaded admin decision that doesnt listen to user feedback is going to ultimately drive down usage, but they know e-h and ex is the most extensive database out there. but now, id probably take my chances with the other ad-infested sitsite than try and navigate through this mess since its pretty much impossible now
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:29
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QUOTE(woot5 @ Nov 2 2022, 15:44) *

Searching as I used to is just completely broken. Searching "corr" used to bring up anything with that string in it's title or tag (useful for male: corruption and female:corruption), but now it appears to only grab the titles. It jumps from page 1 being October results to page 3 being march results, when it should have October results still returning on page 3.

This mostly impacts multi-word searches, like using the term "mind" as a catchall for mind control and mind break, for instance. Additionally, it means that if you want to search a tag on both genders, you have to double the amount of tags you're searching. Just an absolutely terrible quality of life change.


I'm not having this experience? Searching all of these is identical results for me:
  • mind
  • mind*
  • "mind"
  • "mind*"
  • tag:mind
  • tag:mind*

For example, if I start with just "mind" I see a 1st result immediately for "female:mind control" with the 2nd result having "male:mind control". I then search as:

"mind*" "-tag:mind control"

and see 1st result has "tag:mind break". Repeat as:

"mind*" "-tag:mind control" "-tag:mind break"

and see 1st result contains the word "mind" in title, but has no tags containing the word.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:31
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I was playing around the new search function and got this error back from my query:

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Error 503 Backend fetch failed

Backend fetch failed
Guru Meditation:

XID: 880595158

Varnish cache server


The query URL is https://e-hentai.org/?f_cats=24&f_searc...on&f_sft=on

Is it a bug, maybe ?


EDIT: nope, now it works. Hope this doesn't happen too frequently :-(

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post Nov 2 2022, 16:33
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This update is really not well executed I think. I get the technical reasoning behind it, but this new method effectively makes anything between the first and last page, with the exception of the ones immediately beside those end pages, completely invisible.

Oh yes, but of course, we can just be more granular in our search! This will still result in many invisible galleries that will never see the light of day, because they weren't the first to be tagged with a specific tag, or weren't uploaded in the last 48 hours. A very counterintuitive update.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:34
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Just wanted to say that this update is nothing but improvements for the way I use the site every day. Thanks for putting in the effort to keep the site amazing.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:34
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This update is too bad. After the page number function is removed, even if the search results can exceed 100000, I can't skip the page number and turn to the far position, so this is meaningless.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:34
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How can I find the gallery I read four days ago and read it in order? Should I keep pressing the next button until the thumbnail I remember comes out?

If there were pages, maybe I could simply check the thumbnail by clicking around page 8 or 10.

I really need page.
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post Nov 2 2022, 16:35
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I can't see the gallery has been remove in my Favorites
I usually use it to expunge the Duplicate gallery
What's the reason of this change?
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