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Nov 2 2022, 15:35
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Nihilm
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QUOTE(negavamas @ Nov 2 2022, 15:31) I don't doubt the technical problems with the sheer size of the site is causing problems with the search engine, I've seen the page take up to a minute to load or straight up crashing on me. What is not alright is the lack of any kind of announcement on a change so important, or not explaining how the new search engine works. It's ludicrous to think the average user will understand what a gallery ID is, much less to expect them to know how to use it to search for stuff. If this stuff is not properly brought up and discussed well before the changes are made, the end result will be a large chunk of the site traffic disappearing, because very few people want to deal with an arbitrary numbering system to bust a nut.
I mean yeah, 100% agree, just it's frustrating to see people come in with "there is no benefit in this, revert", when that is just untrue and an entirely emotional reaction to change. I think the fact no one knew this was coming or why it happened and even that it's not the most important thing brought up in the patch notes as why and only really mentioned when 3rd party plugins/programs are brought up is all pretty bad. Also if this was announced ahead of time and the API changes were explained better then perhaps these 3rd party plugins would have been able to make patches ahead of time rather than also be completely blindsided. Also I accidentally wrote CID instead of GID, sue me, it's obvious I meant the latter.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:36
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-Kipaliye
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Why this new search system remove all the unavailable galleries in my favourites?
Now I have absolutely no idea which galleries in my hard drive are once post on the website but later become unavailable.
In the past I could at least see the thumbnails and the title so I knew I had downloaded the gallery.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:39
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darkknightx2
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QUOTE(ticktack @ Nov 2 2022, 16:35) Can't get the page selector back even if it's just a favorite?
I agree with this proposal, If possible.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:40
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Hana-chan
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QUOTE(Nihilm @ Nov 2 2022, 06:35) I mean yeah, 100% agree, just it's frustrating to see people come in with "there is no benefit in this, revert", when that is just untrue and an entirely emotional reaction to change. I think the fact no one knew this was coming or why it happened and even that it's not the most important thing brought up in the patch notes as why and only really mentioned when 3rd party plugins/programs are brought up is all pretty bad.
Also if this was announced ahead of time and the API changes were explained better then perhaps these 3rd party plugins would have been able to make patches ahead of time rather than also be completely blindsided.
Also I accidentally wrote CID instead of GID, sue me, it's obvious I meant the latter.
It gives off the same unpleasant feelings that so many other popular sites and apps go through, but now for something that is supposed to be underground and not relentlessly focus-tested. This update feels incomplete with how the navigation workaround is implemented, and if it is, it should be communicated as such.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:40
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Nihilm
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I will say that personally having it back for favorites would solve all of my use cases for it and it seems technically the system still tracks how many favorites you have of each category so that doesn't seem unreasonable?
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Nov 2 2022, 15:42
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platzbo
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I'm sorry, but this removal of page selection is a really bad move. You should have asked the community on how to go through with the changes beforehand. The site is too big to make Front End changes so drastic.
I hope you either rollback, or somehow return pagination with the new system...
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Nov 2 2022, 15:44
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woot5
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Reposting my edit as a separate reply so it doesn't get lost...
Searching as I used to is just completely broken. Searching "corr" used to bring up anything with that string in it's title or tag (useful for male: corruption and female:corruption), but now it appears to only grab the titles. It jumps from page 1 being October results to page 3 being march results, when it should have October results still returning on page 3.
It looks like I now have to explicitly search "female:corruption" to return results, which is just not a great change. This mostly impacts multi-word searches, like using the term "mind" as a catchall for mind control and mind break, for instance. Additionally, it means that if you want to search a tag on both genders, you have to double the amount of tags you're searching. Just an absolutely terrible quality of life change.
Even if you had to kill pagination, which sucks but is understandable, killing the ability for partial string search on tags isn't good (unless the idea is to open user-created tags onto galleries, which could be useful but result in a ton of issues for partial string searches). I'm assuming user-created tags are never going to be a thing, so bringing back partial tag searches is ideal for QOL and usability.
This post has been edited by woot5: Nov 2 2022, 15:44
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Nov 2 2022, 15:50
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Katabolic
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If nothing else we seriously need a way to jump around large numbers of results without having to spam click "next" until we get carpel tunnel
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Nov 2 2022, 15:53
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Cliesthe
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I still don't understand why expunged galleries are now a separate search. It's not saving me any time; now I'm just running two searches and comparing the dates.
This whole update feels like a straightforward downgrade (which may have been necessary if the computational burden was too high and there was no possibility of increasing capacity), and will only make using this site more difficult. Hentai is slightly less "disposable" than porn with its somewhat unique characters and plot in each story, as well as story arcs, so properly indexing and archiving it for retrieval is much more important to some people than your average 15-minute porn video.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:54
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NekoNyanSlayer
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I think the lack of any form of idea how many result are found, and how many pages you have to go through is a big problem, as there has been times when I vaguely remember the tags of a doujin, but can’t recall the title, in those times I add as many valid tags as I can remember and I start going through the results, sometimes it’s only 10 pages, others 200 or even 1000, and it really helps to have some way to track progress, even if it’s inaccurate, I believe in this case, it’s better to be inaccurate than to have no information at all
Also why am I only limited to 100 results when I bought the 200 results per page perk?
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Nov 2 2022, 15:54
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davidor
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It fucked up my search results before update "dickgirl on dickgirl$" was 4651 results and now it somehow got 5164? and also making browsing result way annoying
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Nov 2 2022, 15:54
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passerbyx3
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Please don't ask user to mess up their adderss bar with GID or something. This is not what UX works.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:56
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Vogue_Gin
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Maybe updates do have some advantages in some aspects, but page selectors are still indispensable for most people. I really hope that page selectors can return or run in different versions so that everyone can freely choose the version
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Nov 2 2022, 15:57
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Crhonoz
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Most complains seem to be stemmed from two things: the lack of comunication for such a big update usability-wise and the lack of an UI alternative to jumping to certain a GID. I understand the thechnical problems that made the pagination system go poof, as I'm sure you guys would expect backlash I propose a UI change: put a little box "Jump to GID:" and let the user type the GID, this way you will reduce backlash as most users do not enjoy the whole "mess with the browser address" stuff, even if it is pretty simple(at least for people that deal with tech stuff daily). And/or a "search by date" function, which I don't know if it's feasible or not.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:57
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monstarkook
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Bring back the page selector. It wasn't broke so you shouldn't have fixed it. I never had a complaint about browsing for over a decade until now. Even the oldest forums allow you to jump between pages like how it used to be. If you see a repeat result, there's something new on page 1. You refresh, go to page 1, then jump back to the page you were on. It just works. Bring it back.
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Nov 2 2022, 15:58
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nataky16
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QUOTE(platzbo @ Nov 2 2022, 10:42) I'm sorry, but this removal of page selection is a really bad move. You should have asked the community on how to go through with the changes beforehand. The site is too big to make Front End changes so drastic.
I hope you either rollback, or somehow return pagination with the new system...
in settings, still the chance to get page numeration, but that only apply to e-hentai.. to ex.... looks like the setting :-get back the page numeration dont work or is unable, no matter how many times you apply the settings
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Nov 2 2022, 16:05
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Rezaru
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What I don't feel like the admins understand about these complaints are:
Firstly, page numbers provided an instant, shifting, point of reference. The new system can be used to navigate from fixed indices, and will eventually work better for the experienced user with organized bookmarks, notes, and maybe even scripts making GIDs points of reference. However, only the most experienced users can make heads or tails of this at a glance, and only staff can use it to its full potential while others scramble to learn this previously-unnecessary method.
Secondly, GIDs are not a human-readable number without a learning curve. I'm sure plenty of users will get there eventually, but we've had no transition period and I think the frame of reference is being biased by the admins for having first-handedly worked on this for so long. As a user, I thought I felt comfortable with all functions of the site, but I never saw GID as anything more than a URL index. Incorporating it into use is foreign, and I have to create my own frame of reference on several points such as where they fit into each search, what dates they correlate to, and how to efficiently find them when GID isn't present in previews except as a link preview in the browser.
This isn't a difficult bar to clear for me, but it's a significantly higher bar than "can you count to the current page number?" Users that fall below the bar are going to be incredibly upset.
The bottom line is that people frequent this network for instant gratification, and this update requires a bit of reading and stepping out of established comfort. These two concepts don't mesh.
I understand that this was necessary from a technical standpoint, but I feel that such a change needed a transition period to give people a chance to prepare, rather than having nuked bookmarks and a sink-or-swim introduction to the new system.
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Nov 2 2022, 16:09
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Postalowiec
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I can see how good this update is from the performance side, but with all my respects; killing page selector and option to search both expunged&normal galleries together is a HUGE shoot in the knee for the user experience. Horrible, just straight up absolutely horrible.
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Nov 2 2022, 16:10
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Pataplouf
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I'm sorry but this is a terrible update, what the fuck.
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Nov 2 2022, 16:11
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cpasmoii
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QUOTE(Crhonoz @ Nov 2 2022, 14:57) I propose a UI change: put a little box "Jump to GID:"
Yeah no, users shouldn't be expected to remember 7 random numbers every time they want to check something uploaded a certain date,where they left of a certain search a few days priors or finding a specific page in their favorite list. This change is simply atrocious for every average users.
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