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I'm starting this thread in hopes of building up some discussion and support in the hope of finding some members who did, or can do translations/editing for bounties and to get some of the long standing bounties finally completed instead of just sitting there rotting away with some random joker accepting it and never, ever claiming it laughing maniacally at the thought of it.

So to start off to help get an answer or two, because i'm sure i'm not the only one wondering. I'm gonna say because there's very few people who can do it, but even they themselves seem distant from the bounty galleries.

Any thoughts?

I am not sure about the translation but I am an editor

AFAIK there's only a few translators that come around here, only one I know for certain by name is n04h, and I think zen knows enough to do some, but I don't think he does full dojin or anything like that.

Theres a bunch of people that know how to edit, I included, I could help anyone learn how to do it in 2 seconds, so it's not like anyone needs someone to do both. We just need someone(s) to let us know what they're saying.

But the translators on this site seem to prefer not to touch a bounty because they personally don't care for it, which is reasonable. I'm not gonna put down anyone because of that, but at the same time it keeps great doujins some of which are pushing a decade or more in age from ever being viewable to non japanese reading readers.

It's easy for anyone to take an english, french, spanish doujin and translate it to another language with any online translator. Japanese however is not easy, I know, I tried, just to try to round up the characters for one line is a pain staking task when they toss in Kanji and translator's seem to have a tough time digesting it themselves.

As much as I really appreciate Saha and DesuDesu for everything they do, and they've done some stuff I liked. I just don't have 30+ dollars for each of my meager translations, that could be done by several active members on this board if they decided to help out, and not just me. even some of the few other people that would really like to read their favorite doujins, and they're willing to put out and even combine alot of their stuff for it so no one's asking for a freebie.

I am curious if the translators indeed don't care for credits/GPs? Or are the current bounties too low?

Paying real money for translations is an option, but the primary problem of it, in the e-h site context, for me, is that the site needs donations too. I'd prefer to donate my $ to the site and if the translators cannot do so, they should contribute to the site by translating (and they can get creds/GP in return...).

Well, I've uploaded a few of my translations to the galleries, so I suppose I qualify as a translator... Just thought I'd chime into the discussion to present the POV of the other side and explain why translators don't go for the bounties. Now, these are my personal feelings, but I imagine they probably hold true for other translators too.

First, Red Piotrus is right, credits/GPs don't mean much as rewards. Why? Because we get all the GPs we need from our own uploads. For better or worse, translated doujins are very popular and rack up a huge amount of GPs. My latest upload was an Evangelion doujin I translated... in 3 days, I earned over 75,000+ GP from a single gallery. Even for my least popular uploads, I can expect to earn 40,000+ GP within the first week for each gallery. I imagine other, better-known translators earn even more. Quite frankly, why should I bother translating a doujin I don't really care for when I can translate something I actually like and earn just as much or even more?

Second, I translate doujins for fun. I don't ask to to be paid, and I don't want to be paid. However, this also means that I don't want to accept commissions/bounties, because then it makes translating seem like work, which takes all the fun out of it.

Now, Super Shanko asked for someone to just translate the stuff, while others can edit. However, for me, translating is a laborious process. I'm not a perfect bilingual; I can speak the language well enough, but there are a lot of kanji I don't know, and I have to look all of them up before I can translate the text. This means that for me, depending on the amount of kanji, translating a page takes 2-3 times as long as it does editing it. Now, this is probably easier for other translators who have a higher level of Japanese proficiency, but my point is that simply translating without editing still requires a lot of time and effort.

Anyway, I don't want to be too much of a downer, so I hope you guys do find people willing to translate. This is just my opinion as to why translators don't touch the bounties.

P.S. You might want to try gaining the attention of translators on the main site. I myself only rarely visit the forums, and happened across this topic by chance.

Thanks for your input, it's good to hear from a translators point of view.

When someone else told me about how hard it is to translate, I took that into consideration in which I've always made certain to add in i'm only paying the translation because I don't wanna make them work even harder if they don't have to. I don't make someone not enjoy something they like to do. If I had to do this it'd piss me off.

I'm just looking for help(being the key word), I'm seeking help from someone who happens to be able translate so I, and anyone who happens to enjoy it, can finally read the doujins in question. I just post them up as bounties because there's no other way to show gratitude other than saying thanks(which I do) without coming off as some random person asking for a freebie.

Which brings me to my next point. I know it's easy to get alot of GP from one gallery, without posting a bounty it's not doing much for me too. It just can't be helped translators aren't interested in it since it's the only thing one can give other than Hath on here. That's why I post bounties so I can let someone else make use of it, in exchange for being able to finally read doujin's i've had for years, which apparently others can enjoy as well, like when I edited and posted EdxWinry for Sayan2040. Because of that, alot of other people can enjoy it now.

This post has been edited by Super Shanko: May 2 2010, 12:51

Indeed, thanks rookie84 for your input.

Is there something that would motivate you to translate commissions? Much higher GP/cred rewards, or something else? A forum award, a custom title, Hentaiverse ability, Haths (hath perks)?

I agree with Shanko. Most of the bounty creators want to give something to the translators/editors; we are not asking for freebies. But - what can we give? As I mentioned, $ in this context face a competition, as we all know that the site needs donations.

Regarding ads for translators on the front page, that is a good idea. Perhaps we could add a link to the highest bounties and something about translators wanted there? I am also thinking that it would be nice if the bounties could be split between "translations wanted" and "galleries wanted" (it does seem that the current Top 10 is all "galleries wanted", no translations, and that may further discourage translators - as it is NOT EASY to find out that indeed, there are people here who are asking for translations and trying to give something in return for them.

On the bright side, some bounties are being completed all the time.

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: May 2 2010, 19:56

It can be alittle discouraging when someone accepts your bounty which fills your with glee, which fades when the jerk never claims it. Do they even get anything at all if someone else claims it? Because it seems pretty dumb if you ask me :/

Pretty sure they don't.

I can see the reason for splitting accepting from claiming - if bounty hunters were numerous. As they are not, I think we could get rid of this ability, or limit it to bounty hunters who have fulfilled past requests.

On that note, how about replacing the confusing letter rank with a simple number of bounties successfully claimed by that hunter?

(If bounties worked we could also have a Toplist of most successful bounty hunters...)

Incidentally, seems like the bounty thread is being populated by old requests being moved there from the generic requests forum (good, it will make us look busy and active (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)).

This post has been edited by Red_Piotrus: May 3 2010, 02:50

Is there something that would motivate you to translate commissions? Much higher GP/cred rewards, or something else? A forum award, a custom title, Hentaiverse ability, Haths (hath perks)?

Well, I'd focus on trying to tempt translators with haths and credits, with an emphasis on the former. GPs are pretty much pointless since translators get tons from their uploads. Credits at least you have to convert them from GPs and/or get them from HentaiVerse, while you can't get haths from uploading. I'm not saying these would make me start popping off translations, but it would make me more willing to consider it.

Regarding ads for translators on the front page, that is a good idea. Perhaps we could add a link to the highest bounties and something about translators wanted there? I am also thinking that it would be nice if the bounties could be split between "translations wanted" and "galleries wanted" (it does seem that the current Top 10 is all "galleries wanted", no translations, and that may further discourage translators - as it is NOT EASY to find out that indeed, there are people here who are asking for translations and trying to give something in return for them.

Honestly, I think this is much more important. Getting translators to look at the bounties and see if there's anything interesting is half the battle. It took me ages to notice the bounty list even existed.

If the others are anything like me, I'd much rather translate a doujin I like for a crappy bounty than a doujin I don't like for a great bounty. The translation requests on the bounty list don't really run to my tastes, but if you can get more translators to look at them, you'll be more likely to get someone who likes them enough to translate.

I can see the reason for splitting accepting from claiming - if bounty hunters were numerous. As they are not, I think we could get rid of this ability, or limit it to bounty hunters who have fulfilled past requests.

There are other reasons for the Accept/Claim split. Accepting a bounty makes sure it doesn't go anywhere for the next 24 hours, so if you make a genuine attempt at finding something, you're sure the poster doesn't just change his mind in the meantime.

On that note, how about replacing the confusing letter rank with a simple number of bounties successfully claimed by that hunter?

Why? There's a built-in anti-abuse mechanism in the rank system, in that having a large number of rejects will drop it below the point where you're able to accept/claim most bounties. Didn't you ever wonder why it asks for minimum rank when you make a bounty?

(If bounties worked we could also have a Toplist of most successful bounty hunters...)

Highly exploitable/farmable.

Why? There's a built-in anti-abuse mechanism in the rank system, in that having a large number of rejects will drop it below the point where you're able to accept/claim most bounties. Didn't you ever wonder why it asks for minimum rank when you make a bounty?

How about a how-to page explaining this? Also, can claiming but not doing anything result in lowering of one's rank? And can claims expire after a week (or month) of not being fullfilled?

Yea, for instance, if someone claimed your bounty and you never accepted/disputed in 7 days it expires. From there I believe it closes out the bounty all together.

I have a question, is there any other way to contact someone if it's mainly, regarding the bounties? Like for instance, if they they don't go to the forums or have any outside contact info listed in their profile.

Bounties that are Open/New and Open/Accepted are open to be accepted and claimed. When a bounty has been accepted, it can not be cancelled for 24 hours. After a bounty has been claimed, the original poster of the bounty has 7 days to accept or dispute it, after which the Hunter can force through an acceptance. In case of a dispute, a Bounty Moderator will decide the outcome of the bounty. A rejected claim cannot be resubmitted, and will affect your rank.

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There ya go, what the succubus said

There ya go, what the succubus said

I quoted from bounties page, weirdo.
Can't you force to accept your claim?

Weirdo? I'm aware of that being from the bounty pages, i've posted enough bounties to remember that quote.

Anywho, it doesn't matter, they got back to me so it's no longer an issue.

So why this bounty hangs there: https://e-hentai.org/bounty.php?bid=1642
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This post has been edited by Rikis: May 5 2010, 09:24

Who knows what happened there, maybe they died or are trapped in an mmorpg.

That's almost worst than those people who accept but never return.

This post has been edited by Super Shanko: May 5 2010, 09:36