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Jul 12 2022, 12:07
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what_is_name
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QUOTE(killi890 @ Jul 12 2022, 16:35)  That is not an issue. The issue is that mitigation isn't capped, while it should be. At least for monsters. Capping mitigation at 50% and increasing HP by 50% would do the game VERY well in general. As it is, Imperil more than doubles damage dealt. Quite a bit more than doubled even. On high levels of course. Imperil missing is awful if you need to essentially do almost 3 times the damage you'd need to do with Imperil hitting. A mitigation cap of 50% would still mean Imperil increases damage by 50%, more if you also benefit from the elemental reduction.
The mitigation do capped. If I caculate correct the the Giant have the best mitigation which no more than 50% Physical or Magical mitigation at full upgrade. For mage the elemental mitigation of user create monsters are capped at 75% related to the monster type. But imperil can't reduce mitigation to lower than 0, so whatever lower the elemental mitigation cap the mage player always do the same damage to the normal monsters as long as you use imperil. For the HP increasing, I think you should try it by yourself in tower, even with imperil. Beside that, the resisting always annoying. With pen5 redwood my spells still got 1/5~1/4 resisted, just a metion a spell resisted means at least half damage lost. Also the parry is annoying to melee too, with club 1/10 of my attack still got parried, without counter- Potency the Redwood and Niten will become super awful
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Jul 14 2022, 11:10
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rwpikul
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Looking at the market leads me to wonder:
Is the item shop even needed?
For staple items, the shop can simply have a pair of infinite orders at its prices, (allowing for the fee for selling to the shop).
For non-staple items, you could simulate the shop by it having an infinite buy order and an autogenerated, (and undercut limit exempt), sell order for whatever it stock happens to be.
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Jul 14 2022, 21:12
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Necromusume
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Is The Market going to be available during "last spurt"? Last season, you could still at least buy consumables & forge mats that players were dumping to the item shop.
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Jul 14 2022, 22:11
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(rwpikul @ Jul 14 2022, 11:10)  Is the item shop even needed?
For staple items, the shop can simply have a pair of infinite orders at its prices, (allowing for the fee for selling to the shop).
For non-staple items, you could simulate the shop by it having an infinite buy order and an autogenerated, (and undercut limit exempt), sell order for whatever it stock happens to be.
Needed? Possibly not. But it is way simpler than the market, so it will probably remain in some form. QUOTE(Necromusume @ Jul 14 2022, 21:12)  Is The Market going to be available during "last spurt"? Yes.
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Jul 14 2022, 22:25
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Necromusume
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Suggestion about the potencies: For the 6 months that IW potencies don't exist, make voidseeker shards give the equivalent of Overpower 5, aether shards give Penetrator 5, and featherweight shards give Juggernaut 5.
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Jul 14 2022, 23:39
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qwersad222
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Is market coming to Persistent this month?
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Jul 15 2022, 19:46
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(Necromusume @ Jul 14 2022, 22:25)  Suggestion about the potencies: For the 6 months that IW potencies don't exist, make voidseeker shards give the equivalent of Overpower 5, aether shards give Penetrator 5, and featherweight shards give Juggernaut 5.
It's possible I'll make use of some "reserved for future use" stuff in the new system to keep the potencies temporarily, depends on how much effort it is. QUOTE(qwersad222 @ Jul 14 2022, 23:39)  Is market coming to Persistent this month?
Most likely next week, RL willing.
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Jul 16 2022, 01:08
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SPoison
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Can you check my account? I was looking at the market and I auto bought some stuff but I don't remember setting the price to that amount, maybe it's something I did in the early days or maybe I randomly did it one day and forgot but who knows. In any case I just want to make sure everything looks right from what you can see.
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Jul 16 2022, 09:28
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(SPoison @ Jul 16 2022, 01:08)  Can you check my account? I was looking at the market and I auto bought some stuff but I don't remember setting the price to that amount, maybe it's something I did in the early days or maybe I randomly did it one day and forgot but who knows. In any case I just want to make sure everything looks right from what you can see.
? You have to be way more specific than that. What item and when?
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Jul 16 2022, 11:13
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SPoison
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jul 16 2022, 00:28)  ? You have to be way more specific than that. What item and when?
I saw i bought scroll of protection and I don't remember setting a serious price for it so just wanted to see if I did and i just forgot or if something else happened. So I remember when the market first opened I set some random stuff at super cheap buy prices and forgot about it all because i didn't actually expect them to work. Now between 7-12 and 7-14 I saw i made purchases that were still very low priced but I don't remember doing. If nothing seems suspicious then I'll just assume it was my mistake but i wanted to check.
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Jul 16 2022, 17:39
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Tenboro

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QUOTE(SPoison @ Jul 16 2022, 11:13)  I saw i bought scroll of protection and I don't remember setting a serious price for it so just wanted to see if I did and i just forgot or if something else happened. CODE | 2022-06-21 09:37:57 | 376678 | 13111 | Creating buy order with existing_order_batch_count=0 new_order_batch_count=100 bidprice=300 |
| 2022-07-12 23:26:32 | 3690575 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=3 available_batches=3 buyer_market_balance=277358 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=100 order_sum=900 | | 2022-07-12 23:26:32 | 3690575 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=3 order_batch_count=100 | | 2022-07-12 23:26:32 | 3690575 | 13111 | Added 3x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-13 00:23:08 | 3690575 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=1 available_batches=1 buyer_market_balance=276458 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=97 order_sum=300 | | 2022-07-13 00:23:08 | 3690575 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=1 order_batch_count=97 | | 2022-07-13 00:23:08 | 3690575 | 13111 | Added 1x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-13 01:04:44 | 5376586 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=6 available_batches=6 buyer_market_balance=276158 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=96 order_sum=1800 | | 2022-07-13 01:04:44 | 5376586 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=6 order_batch_count=96 | | 2022-07-13 01:04:44 | 5376586 | 13111 | Added 6x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-13 02:31:22 | 582027 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=itemshop process_batchcount=1 available_batches=1 buyer_market_balance=274358 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=90 order_sum=300 | | 2022-07-13 02:31:22 | 582027 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=1 order_batch_count=90 | | 2022-07-13 02:31:22 | 582027 | 13111 | Added 1x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-13 20:13:14 | 277528 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=17 available_batches=17 buyer_market_balance=264846 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=89 order_sum=5100 | | 2022-07-13 20:13:14 | 277528 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=17 order_batch_count=89 | | 2022-07-13 20:13:14 | 277528 | 13111 | Added 17x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-13 23:04:21 | 3690575 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=2 available_batches=2 buyer_market_balance=259746 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=72 order_sum=600 | | 2022-07-13 23:04:21 | 3690575 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=2 order_batch_count=72 | | 2022-07-13 23:04:21 | 3690575 | 13111 | Added 2x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-14 08:58:00 | 5376586 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=7 available_batches=7 buyer_market_balance=259146 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=70 order_sum=2100 | | 2022-07-14 08:58:00 | 5376586 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=7 order_batch_count=70 | | 2022-07-14 08:58:00 | 5376586 | 13111 | Added 7x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-14 15:47:59 | 1451353 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=59 available_batches=59 buyer_market_balance=257046 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=63 order_sum=17700 | | 2022-07-14 15:47:59 | 1451353 | 13111 | Updated buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=59 order_batch_count=63 | | 2022-07-14 15:47:59 | 1451353 | 13111 | Added 59x items to uid=376678 | | 2022-07-14 18:06:03 | 4461554 | 13111 | Started matching buy order from uid=376678 with item_source=market process_batchcount=4 available_batches=15 buyer_market_balance=239346 order_batch_price=300 order_batch_count=4 order_sum=1200 | | 2022-07-14 18:06:03 | 4461554 | 13111 | Filled buy order from uid=376678 process_batchcount=4 order_batch_count=4 | | 2022-07-14 18:06:03 | 4461554 | 13111 | Added 4x items to uid=376678 |
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Jul 16 2022, 18:50
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SPoison
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So it was me, thanks for checking, lol
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Dec 5 2022, 01:59
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mexiphant
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Jun 21 2022, 20:06)  QUOTE(Shank @ Jun 21 2022, 18:39)  Would it be possible to be able to delete (or even better set quantity/amount) for items on the buy order/sell order pages without opening each individual item?
Not really, both for UI complexity and technical database reasons. Basically, whenever it needs to create, delete or make changes to an order it has to grab an exclusive database lock for the item in question to prevent concurrency issues, and if you were to try to grab locks for several items at the same time you could easily run into deadlock problems. And because of said specific technical database reasons, you can't just grab one lock at a time, make the change, then release it. Not that there aren't ways around it, but it's not worth the work and complexity involved. Logic-wise: would it be possible to handle a multi-item request internally in a for-loop: Each item as a single transaction (including locking&unlocking), sequentially one after another. Results (successful / insufficient funds, stock / 1% undercut, overbid error) collected and returned when finished. (Ideally accompanied by e.g. small green/red icon in list.) [OK, UI part will still become significantly more complex.] TLDR; Just the way it does on a specific item page, but in a loop. I hope this isn't exactly what you meant by "grab one lock at a time, make the change, then release it" to be too complex.
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Dec 5 2022, 21:42
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-The Dashing Dash-
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Will market trading be stopped at the trade deadline or just trading through MM?
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Dec 5 2022, 22:57
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Necromusume
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QUOTE(-The Dashing Dash- @ Dec 5 2022, 19:42)  Will market trading be stopped at the trade deadline or just trading through MM? The answer is actually on this page, look at #83 and #84.
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Dec 12 2022, 21:10
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eramosat
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when does this season end?
i only resumed Isekai about a week ago, and it's still the most fun way to play HV.
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Dec 12 2022, 21:56
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Nicosai
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QUOTE(eramosat @ Dec 12 2022, 20:10)  when does this season end?
i only resumed Isekai about a week ago, and it's still the most fun way to play HV.
It's in the pinned thread: QUOTE Isekai 2022 Season 2 Schedule
Start: 2022-06-21 09:30 UTC
Early Bird Ends: 2022-06-30 23:59 UTC
Last Spurt Starts: 2023-01-01 00:00 UTC (tentative)
End of Season: 2023-02-01 09:00 UTC (tentative) Seems this season has overlength.
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Dec 12 2022, 22:00
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eramosat
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QUOTE(Nicosai @ Dec 12 2022, 14:56)  It's in the pinned thread: Seems this season has overlength. tk you Nicosai, I knew it was somewhere.
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Dec 15 2022, 22:10
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Tenboro

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I'm probably just going to remove Last Spurt, and have a simple end-of-season lockout for MM and the market that triggers on the Dawn of the Final Day (i.e. day of the update). That way it doesn't lock in early, in case of delays.
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