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post Dec 24 2022, 12:00
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我现在230级,这套装备打hell难度的random encounter都会翻车,翻了好多遍耐久都掉空了 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
我现在想升级装备找了好多WTS里都没看到适合我等级的轻甲和双手锤,大多都卖的传说的装备,好贵都不能拿来过

我看了下我的RE翻车点一般都是半血被一轮打死,如果有生命火花就挡一下下两回合再死,看数据怪物一轮能打我6
000多HP
有大佬能教导下wiki里推荐的轻甲双手武器应该怎么玩么
我的目标是能打高一点难度的RE和ARENA


https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4332862

新手指引看過沒?

現在的版本答案是當單手盾戰放馬炮

WIKI哪邊叫人玩雙手錘輕甲的?

現在應該沒有了吧,WIKI英文版有隨著版本編修,

中文版我是沒看到哪邊有建議叫人玩雙手

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post Dec 24 2022, 12:04
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HV还有汉化?我浏览器机翻不知道为什么翻译不了
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post Dec 24 2022, 12:12
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QUOTE(hc br @ Dec 24 2022, 12:00) *

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=4332862

新手指引看過沒?

現在的版本答案是當單手盾戰放馬炮

WIKI哪邊叫人玩雙手錘輕甲的?

現在應該沒有了吧,WIKI英文版有隨著版本編修,

中文版我是沒看到哪邊有建議叫人玩雙手


新手指引大概都看过,基本功能都会用

我是看的英文wiki和ask expert的那篇置顶有介绍双手武器轻甲的,加上自己的理解用锤提高生存力

一开始没有合适的重甲,200级前双手武器又能一下打一片所以没按攻略的建议用盾战

马炮也有了,自动施法也4级了

所以我现在当务之急是换成盾战么



https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=211064

9. Do not start playing as mage, start as melee
Your favored RPG class is mage and you want to start playing as mage in HentaiVerse? Sorry, wrong door then, in HentaiVerse, mage is an endgame-class, while melee is startgame-class.
Mage equipment is very expensive and on lower levels you just don't have good spells - it is just extremely hard to play as mage right from level one.
Technically, if you have "instruments" behind the game (you are donator, using H@H, adopted-a-server, etc), then you can try to start playing as mage, but if you have nothing, then start playing as melee - it is more effective, easy and comfortable.
Start playing as Two-handed melee with Light armor or One-handed melee with Heavy armor. Former is called 2H/Light, latter is called 1H/Heavy.
1H/Heavy: high defense, low avoidance, high HP, low MP, slow;
2H/Light: low defense, high avoidance, low HP, high MP, fast;

原文说的是新人别玩法师,近战可以双手轻甲或单手重甲。

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post Dec 24 2022, 12:21
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post Dec 24 2022, 12:27
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post Dec 24 2022, 12:31
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QUOTE(Yizhi @ Dec 24 2022, 18:12) *

新手指引大概都看过,基本功能都会用

我是看的英文wiki和ask expert的那篇置顶有介绍双手武器轻甲的,加上自己的理解用锤提高生存力

一开始没有合适的重甲,200级前双手武器又能一下打一片所以没按攻略的建议用盾战

马炮也有了,自动施法也4级了

所以我现在当务之急是换成盾战么



QUOTE(Yizhi @ Dec 24 2022, 18:18) *

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=211064

9. Do not start playing as mage, start as melee
Your favored RPG class is mage and you want to start playing as mage in HentaiVerse? Sorry, wrong door then, in HentaiVerse, mage is an endgame-class, while melee is startgame-class.
Mage equipment is very expensive and on lower levels you just don't have good spells - it is just extremely hard to play as mage right from level one.
Technically, if you have "instruments" behind the game (you are donator, using H@H, adopted-a-server, etc), then you can try to start playing as mage, but if you have nothing, then start playing as melee - it is more effective, easy and comfortable.
Start playing as Two-handed melee with Light armor or One-handed melee with Heavy armor. Former is called 2H/Light, latter is called 1H/Heavy.
1H/Heavy: high defense, low avoidance, high HP, low MP, slow;
2H/Light: low defense, high avoidance, low HP, high MP, fast;

原文说的是新人别玩法师,近战可以双手轻甲或单手重甲。


WIKI這樣寫沒問題,你說你看過新手指引文,

那我也不再提問了,直接告訴你問題在哪,

WIKI的建議沒寫到的是,在高難度(*15 *20)的場合,

新手的唯一選擇就剩下單手盾戰,

這點我剛開始編新手指引就講過了,

雖然新手指引陸陸續續都有再修改過,

但這點從頭到尾沒改過,為啥要用單手盾戰裡面都寫很清楚,

由衷建議新重從頭到尾讀過一遍,

相信讀完了以後要不要轉盾戰你自己會有答案

等等等等等,

你這張圖Attached Image

我問一下,你是不是系統不理解?

裝備會損耗要修理,你現在的裝備的耐久度剩下1%,有穿等於沒穿,

然後你現在233等,裝備跟目前等級差太多了,

我就在想怎樣*7也該打的過...

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post Dec 24 2022, 13:04
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WIKI這樣寫沒問題,你說你看過新手指引文,

那我也不再提問了,直接告訴你問題在哪,

WIKI的建議沒寫到的是,在高難度(*15 *20)的場合,

新手的唯一選擇就剩下單手盾戰,

這點我剛開始編新手指引就講過了,

雖然新手指引陸陸續續都有再修改過,

但這點從頭到尾沒改過,為啥要用單手盾戰裡面都寫很清楚,

由衷建議新重從頭到尾讀過一遍,

相信讀完了以後要不要轉盾戰你自己會有答案

等等等等等,

你這張圖https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=167955

我問一下,你是不是基本裝備系統都沒理解過?

知不知道裝備會損耗要修理,

知不知道你現在的裝備的耐久度剩下1%?

然後你現在233等,裝備跟目前等級差太多了,

我就在想怎樣*7也該打的過...


多谢大佬耐心回答,我确实认真看过,也思考过,我解释下

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五.裝備選擇
 首先看完下方2個WIKI條目,再解說盾戰為何強勢
 Counter-Attack(反擊): https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Fighting_Styles/Chinese#One-Handed
 裝備特效(Equipment Procs): https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Procs/Chinese
 擋格和招架會觸發盾戰的特技Counter-Attack(反擊),此特技一出,怪物有高機率會被暈眩,怪物不但無法攻擊,
 角色還能獲得鬥氣,所以盾戰跟其他戰士相比會有多很多的鬥氣來維持靈動架勢的常駐
 Overcharge(鬥氣): https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Overcharge/Chinese
 Spirit Stance(靈動架式): https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Spirit_Stance/Chinese


对于这一点,我的理解是盾战的优势是高耐久高格挡加持下的格挡反击和灵动架势的常驻
优点是非常稳定不容易死,缺点是只能单个击杀怪物
相比起来双手武器的dominostrike是我更喜欢的战斗风格,打怪更快

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1.盾戰非高難度無用,高難度非盾戰不用
  新手先知道2句話,選擇裝備原則就是繞著這兩句話跑,解釋就是不打高難度的話,不需要玩盾戰,
  因為盾戰比起其他的戰士類型清怪慢,但是打高難度(*15*20),不用盾戰打會讓你忙補血.爆生命火花.噴飛回家,
  當然如果財力雄厚,或有人支援,開始就湊齊其他類型的基本裝備需求,不限定只玩盾戰,這段可以跳過

正是因为看了这段话,我才没有不自量力*15*20而是打的*7的hell
但实际用下来轻甲几乎毫无优势,给的闪避虽然能降低某些时候的伤害,但遇到敌人爆发的时候很容易一回合就被
秒掉
甚至我用的另一套120级左右的重甲都比轻甲要稳定

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我問一下,你是不是基本裝備系統都沒理解過?

知不知道裝備會損耗要修理,

知不知道你現在的裝備的耐久度剩下1%?


嗯我知道坏了要修的,这套只是之前损坏的那套,目前还有套等级更低的重甲在用着
本来还想先看看WTS里有没有合适的轻甲和双手,但是没找到


不过你说的没错,我的理解确实有问题,我本来是想找一个打得快一点,能打*10难度的战斗方式,又加上不想洗点
,所以一直在双手轻甲的路上越走越远。如果铁了心要打高难,应该果断点选盾战。

感谢你的回复。
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post Dec 24 2022, 13:21
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多谢大佬耐心回答,我确实认真看过,也思考过,我解释下
对于这一点,我的理解是盾战的优势是高耐久高格挡加持下的格挡反击和灵动架势的常驻
优点是非常稳定不容易死,缺点是只能单个击杀怪物
相比起来双手武器的dominostrike是我更喜欢的战斗风格,打怪更快
正是因为看了这段话,我才没有不自量力*15*20而是打的*7的hell
但实际用下来轻甲几乎毫无优势,给的闪避虽然能降低某些时候的伤害,但遇到敌人爆发的时候很容易一回合就被
秒掉
甚至我用的另一套120级左右的重甲都比轻甲要稳定
嗯我知道坏了要修的,这套只是之前损坏的那套,目前还有套等级更低的重甲在用着
本来还想先看看WTS里有没有合适的轻甲和双手,但是没找到
不过你说的没错,我的理解确实有问题,我本来是想找一个打得快一点,能打*10难度的战斗方式,又加上不想洗点
,所以一直在双手轻甲的路上越走越远。如果铁了心要打高难,应该果断点选盾战。

感谢你的回复。


關於洗點,

一個帳號能創建3個人格,

你直接弄個新的人格重新點技能就好
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post Dec 24 2022, 13:44
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關於洗點,

一個帳號能創建3個人格,

你直接弄個新的人格重新點技能就好


原来换人格就能换ability,之前在ability页面一直想找set没找到,这下解开了我所有心结了,马上去搞一套盾战 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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原来换人格就能换ability,之前在ability页面一直想找set没找到,这下解开了我所有心结了,马上去搞一套盾战 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


小心别点错了,要点“创建空白人格”,不要点“复制人格”。
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小心别点错了,要点“创建空白人格”,不要点“复制人格”。


有的人真的看都不看或有看沒董,因為這樣我指引文又重新加入圖示進去
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小心别点错了,要点“创建空白人格”,不要点“复制人格”。


确实没注意容易点错,还好我每个字都看了遍
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有的人真的看都不看或有看沒董,因為這樣我指引文又重新加入圖示進去


主要是“复制人格”的按钮在左边,“创建空白人格”的按钮在右边,习惯了左边“确定”右边“取消”的设定以
后,容易下意识先去点左边的按钮。
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武器太垃圾。我送你杯面条去抽个好点的用吧。很可惜我库存里的低等级双手武器都卖掉了。。
如果你需要hollowforge武器的话可以寄给我。
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Discord is a bloated spyware.

然而这玩意还是在我需要参与的社群中运行着,用人手短的我五味杂陈


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真羡慕大伙能感受到HV的乐趣,我只能在汉化黄色游戏的过程中感受“塑造我认为正确的世界”的快乐

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平安夜啊。。。。
明天圣诞节。。。。
总之大家节日快乐。。。。


看了某狗粮番的PV。。。。
列入观察列表。。。。
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平安夜啊。。。。
明天圣诞节。。。。
总之大家节日快乐。。。。
看了某狗粮番的PV。。。。
列入观察列表。。。。

圣诞节除了苹果好像,啥都没有感受到,父母还都阳了(悲
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确实没注意容易点错,还好我每个字都看了遍


忘了問,你是不是都沒打遭遇戰?

遭遇戰有打好打滿的話,

就不提武器要對到後墜,至少防具不會缺成那樣吧

順便問一下,

鹹魚店現在是?

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=6009444

然後
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showuser=2036246
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showuser=4447631
這兩位看最後上論壇的時間是一起登月了嗎?

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然而这玩意还是在我需要参与的社群中运行着,用人手短的我五味杂陈

這種東西謹慎,合理運用就行。
評估好自己能承受的風險。
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