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post May 25 2024, 15:44
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想着能不能用服务器做个种来赚点啥，然后卡死在了linux服务器死活启动不了transmission-daemon的系统服务上……
果然linux好难玩

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post May 25 2024, 16:24
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post May 25 2024, 16:33
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QUOTE(sharmy @ May 24 2024, 18:29) *

基礎熟練就是character頁面下面那個熟練
PF會隨著你等級的升高一直降低，初期不太明顯，但450級之後會加速下跌

我我初期熟練鞋PF接近.72，現在跌到只剩.64了（雖然太休閒也佔一部分原因
至於換裝，我現在熟練袍和鞋的兩套配置龍場神場T數差異大概在10-30範圍
個人評價是500級.79PF之前可以直接不管熟練部位


PF是會隨等級降低的阿...
我還以為會提升
那這樣看來我打算只靠杖跟頭的熟練加成可能很難達到PF0.79吧...
我現在帽+褲是溢出很多
但把褲子換掉就會剩下0.75
剩下的那0.04可真難 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post May 25 2024, 16:57
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QUOTE(yskwqr @ May 25 2024, 22:24) *

1M 成交的P 杀戮太刀 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


冷门武器是这样的）

QUOTE(oupoupoup @ May 25 2024, 22:33) *

PF是會隨等級降低的阿...
我還以為會提升
那這樣看來我打算只靠杖跟頭的熟練加成可能很難達到PF0.79吧...
我現在帽+褲是溢出很多
但把褲子換掉就會剩下0.75
剩下的那0.04可真難 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)


准确说pf跟等级有关，体现就是刷上个0.0几一升级立马又掉回去，在500级之前会一直是这样反复上下。要么就是点高Assimilator
让熟练升的比掉的快。我现在10级也就算平衡在0.8
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post May 25 2024, 16:57
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QUOTE(oupoupoup @ May 25 2024, 16:33) *

PF是會隨等級降低的阿...
我還以為會提升
那這樣看來我打算只靠杖跟頭的熟練加成可能很難達到PF0.79吧...
我現在帽+褲是溢出很多
但把褲子換掉就會剩下0.75
剩下的那0.04可真難 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) PF下降是簽到提供巨額經驗卻幾乎不提供熟練導致的
樂意的話可以不簽到，或者瘋狂刷GF稀釋簽到的影響，那樣確實PF不會下降
(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) 元素哪兒有大件3+2的，艾瑪聖暗也沒有大件3+2啊
沒必要追求一些精確的.79，.70又不是不能玩 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
另一方面雖然你可以選擇小件熟練換大件熟練強行搞到. 79，但edb也會下降，實際輸出很可能區別不大，輸出差異換算T數差異還要經過一次量子化，最後能不能產生可觀測
效應都兩說

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post May 25 2024, 18:39
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QUOTE(oupoupoup @ May 25 2024, 10:33) *

PF是會隨等級降低的阿...
我還以為會提升
那這樣看來我打算只靠杖跟頭的熟練加成可能很難達到PF0.79吧...
我現在帽+褲是溢出很多
但把褲子換掉就會剩下0.75
剩下的那0.04可真難 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

如楼上大佬所说3+2一般是小部位2
转法早期好用，可以不锻造熟练度
早期前两周就算我裤子满锻也做不到0.79
有裤子的话我建议锻裤子然后4+1
不是圣暗的话，hvu看75%抗性伤害数据
只要pf没有过渡溢出，女高场3+2比pf没满的4+1快

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post May 25 2024, 19:50
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QUOTE(sharmy @ May 25 2024, 07:57) *

另一方面雖然你可以選擇小件熟練換大件熟練強行搞到. 79，但edb也會下降，實際輸出很可能區別不大，輸出差異換算T數差異還要經過一次量子化，最後能不能產生可觀測
效應都兩說


量子化草www

QUOTE(oupoupoup @ May 25 2024, 07:33) *

PF是會隨等級降低的阿...
我還以為會提升
那這樣看來我打算只靠杖跟頭的熟練加成可能很難達到PF0.79吧...
我現在帽+褲是溢出很多
但把褲子換掉就會剩下0.75
剩下的那0.04可真難 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)


楼上提到过,身体各部位也就是0.8-1.2倍属性的差距,所以换熟练部位的影响没那么大
另外我记得主世界一般是要开熟练环或者用满锻高roll的熟练袍才行?
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post May 26 2024, 01:17
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ISK沒有龍吼
法師7怪以上是怎挺過去的
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post May 26 2024, 01:28
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QUOTE(danurnfidr @ May 25 2024, 19:17) *

ISK沒有龍吼
法師7怪以上是怎挺過去的

转法过了初期的，主世界也不龙吼的
就是乖乖上weaken就是了。
锻造好点weaken也可以不用了

小算了一下，考古学家回本速度非常快
前5级三个月就能回本。
虽然会降低令牌概率，但是提升的PA掉率带来的收益高的多
相比之下，tokenized简直是笑话

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post May 26 2024, 03:26
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好耶！310了！就是一毛钱都没，买不起装备
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post May 26 2024, 03:45
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异世界拍卖系统是不是有问题啊，前一个出价110K，我出价150K结果无效
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post May 26 2024, 03:59
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异世界拍卖系统是不是有问题啊，前一个出价110K，我出价150K结果无效


ISK的出价是Noni手动更新的吧?
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post May 26 2024, 04:13
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异世界拍卖系统是不是有问题啊，前一个出价110K，我出价150K结果无效

你出价晚了。 出价后最多延长15分钟
我有尝试想给你拍下这个但是最后不想争了
QUOTE(ssadff @ May 25 2024, 10:08) *

lhv01 110k
lhv02 90k

QUOTE(tjjyuki @ May 25 2024, 10:26) *

lhv01 150k


QUOTE(SDR Fang @ May 25 2024, 21:59) *

ISK的出价是Noni手动更新的吧?

拍卖物品是手动更新。他用python跑
出价是sparroff的脚本实时更新

这赛季我还是狂出圣法的衣服，真的蚌埠住
开局低级时候两件冰法衣服，后面就不掉了。也买不到冰willow（根本没人卖
我还有M品质的cap gloves熟练，你需要吗？
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0强化比我冰法打的快了。冰法还是红木杖。红木是真的不行
75%抗性能hvu能打9000伤害还是不如这数据的圣法快
圣法运气比较好，拍了一根有L水平的M杖。还爆了两件L。可以用到满级了

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post May 26 2024, 04:26
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post May 26 2024, 04:31
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异界半年是没法满级的

那就是可以用到赛季末了，好耶

PS：我破防了。刚刚看了看有两次他都是最后一分钟出价
看来最后鞋子不和我抢是放过我了
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post May 26 2024, 04:49
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你出价晚了。 出价后最多延长15分钟
我有尝试想给你拍下这个但是最后不想争了
拍卖物品是手动更新。他用python跑
出价是sparroff的脚本实时更新

这赛季我还是狂出圣法的衣服，真的蚌埠住
开局低级时候两件冰法衣服，后面就不掉了。也买不到冰willow（根本没人卖
我还有M品质的cap gloves熟练，你需要吗？
Magnificent Onyx Cotton Cap of the Heaven-sent
Magnificent Cotton Gloves of the Heaven-sent


原来如此，这次是10点结束，怎么记得之前是0点结束，是我记错了吗，还是说是又改了时间 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
感谢，不用啦，我现在用的熟练部位是手+裤，其实也有件低等级的L熟练手，但因为roll不高，不想在上面浪费魂片

Magnificent Charged Cotton Gloves of the Heaven-sent
Magnificent Amber Cotton Pants of the Heaven-sent

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post May 26 2024, 04:51
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女高只有泉此方是风抗-1, 其他的都是圣暗-1, 不需要熟练度抵消减伤?
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post May 26 2024, 05:55
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女高只有泉此方是风抗-1, 其他的都是圣暗-1, 不需要熟练度抵消减伤?

估计是

总感觉ISK圣法得换一个大熟练部位。
以后看看有没有robe pant的熟练部位把鞋子换了
现在法师玩的也很舒适了。不用比拼价格战了
当等等党捡漏就完事了

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原来如此，这次是10点结束，怎么记得之前是0点结束，是我记错了吗，还是说是又改了时间 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

最近的几次拍卖会好像结束时间都不一样

又试了试早期掉的暗法M杖，体验依旧便秘（虽然装备也差点
圣暗明面上同样的高贵，但是游戏体验怎么就差这么多
圣法没蓝可以drain吸回来反而没那么缺蓝 暗法依旧会缺蓝到要用elixir
目前两个赛季ISK试了圣暗冰，就暗属实不行。圣只有很低级时体验巨糟糕

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post May 26 2024, 09:31
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因为圣buff高贵的第一层缓伤10%减抗吧

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post May 26 2024, 10:57
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QUOTE(l13763824039 @ May 26 2024, 03:55) *

圣暗明面上同样的高贵


並沒有，除了套imp比聖法Oak杖優之外沒什麼好比的，Oak還有Cure prof，回血效益更高
無imp攻擊面比不上聖法屬性，imp打法Action speed又比元素慢，打不死怪物就要承受更多傷害
而且imp減抗又比元素少，前期防禦面攻擊面都不足的情況下體驗更槽糕也不意外
高不成低不就，市場價格也多少反映了現實

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