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I just watched Umisho. It's actually an anime about swimsuits and made pretty well! Too bad it doesn't seem to finish the manga storyline. BGM seems copied from various other songs. I discovered this show thanks to your contest but these songs are different so I'll make a new post instead of adding to my prior one.

[files.catbox.moe] Umisho OST track 08 Kaname's Theme 2 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx302PBWM3A (strong copy I think, listen to the whole Umisho song, ouch the new version is terrible)
[files.catbox.moe] Umisho OST track 09 Makio's Theme 1 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTa6Xbzfq1U (I might be imagining this one, or Umisho might be a medley from multiple game segments)
[files.catbox.moe] Umisho OST track 12 Search for X / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddon3hc2MrE (chords not the same, so probably instead an intentional parody, here's the other nice BGM that I remember from this show)

[www.nicovideo.jp] https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm36857661 (skip to 27:45) / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXaZFKUEIy8 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRhmy8ZNP3U (forgot about this other obvious parody)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8u93EDmQlk / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4DXPFo7Jqw / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsMBSEMLgOc / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5aEjJilLRc (bunch of versions of the same old song for quality reasons)
[files.catbox.moe] Project A-ko OVA4 track 07 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhlPAj38rHc (not sure if there is similarity, had never noticed before until I just heard this A-ko random BGM which is kind of a mixture of the others)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2f6SjLgnjA / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbvpwnDeisk (I used to think these were similar but not sure. Both are really pleasant, wonder if there are other songs that sound similar? Wait a dude sings this ack).

[files.catbox.moe] Umisho OST track 08 Kaname's Theme 2 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx302PBWM3A (strong copy I think, listen to the whole Umisho song, ouch the new version is terrible)

I can see why you think they are similar but if you put them into a music program, they diverge pretty quickly after the first 3 notes.

[files.catbox.moe] Umisho OST track 09 Makio's Theme 1 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTa6Xbzfq1U (I might be imagining this one, or Umisho might be a medley from multiple game segments)

That rhythm is so iconic anything that uses the same rhythm is probably intentionally parodying it.

[files.catbox.moe] Umisho OST track 12 Search for X / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddon3hc2MrE (chords not the same, so probably instead an intentional parody, here's the other nice BGM that I remember from this show)

It sounds like a pretty common and basic jazz(?) rhythm.

The rest just don't sound that similar besides the common characteristics of certain genres and certain eras of music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEEJpqOMAlE&t=29s / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGfqJryqbk8&t=42s / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENuic95qJcc&t=452s : Melody. Both kunoichi ED4 and aria ED have C F G A, while aria ED and treasure have F G A B A (treasure is 1 semitone higher).

Now this is a bit different from my usual comparisons but it triggers my sussy sensor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chfbkNNGpj0
This Miku sounds way too similar to MitchieM's Miku. If you have listened to a fair bit of Vocaloid, you would know how distinctive some producers tune their Miku. MitchieM and ryo are 2 that have very unique Mikus.

Can't believe I haven't posted this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asZ0SVwCec4 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEK4v9AVKQ

It's the thing I mentioned a few posts ago where the stress is put on only the first two beats of a bar. Used a lot in pop music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc6KUlXP--M same https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_25SYMu0_L0

Yay we finally got someone else to post in here! The first link is dead now, but I had listened to it when first posted. I'm not qualified enough to rate the degree of similarity though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH7obdbgx_w&t=47 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZxPEzn1ZiI&t=34 or [www.nicovideo.jp] https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10380114

Because of new lumlum anime I went to check the original song. I don't think I had ever heard it before, but the chorus sounded like another anime song and I mixed the two up. Fortunately I was able to figure out what the other song was in under a minute. Don't know what grade they'll get.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6gn_vglPkM

This song strongly reminds me of something else that I felt I had watched recently, but I searched long and couldn't find it. I wonder if my brain memory failed and the song is reminding me of itself since some time did pass between me watching the first and second episode (I usually watch anime seasons all at once).

At least my visual similarity identifier still works decently (I was worried because of how badly I did in the summer picture contest). I just checked and Yofukashi Uta has the same artist as Dagashi Kashi. Well this one is pretty obvious but I don't think he is particularly prolific (these are the only two titles from him that I know of) so it's still a nice positive identification. Yup verified, these are the only two he has drawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6gn_vglPkM

Heard the song some time ago and it reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73E8LTSqw1I

Just learned this the other day, but I can now recognize a new class of similar chord progression, examples below (all during choruses)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8VgAzHC6U4
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B11hjjf4ZwE
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upODO6OuOOk
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbU6VLV6yI

All of them follow the half canon (somewhat) -> anime progression. Quick refresher: Canon is I V vi iii IV I IV V, anime progression is IV V iii vi. The IV makes it extremely easy to follow up the first half of canon with the anime progression.

But pay a bit of attention to the first 2 songs, although the 2nd song you should have listened a few times already.
What makes the first 2 songs different from the last 2? The canon half is not exactly canon but you can hear there are some kind of passing chords in-between. It's called the bird blues where you plug in a bunch of 2-5 as some kind of descend padding to reach the goal from I (octave up) to IV. They are really similar since first half of canon is structured in a way that it's usually descending anyway.

I've noticed lately that a lot of my favorite anime songs were canon-based. I had linked some songs I liked earlier without realizing they had canon. I've become better at detecting it consciously.

While an AKB48 song is floating around, I went to check the following ANM48 songs to see if they had what you just described:

(I didn't know what AKB48 was until your first contest and I re-listened to the Monster Musume song, and I had found these two following songs....plus I'm watching AKB0048 anime now and finally kind of understand)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APO5lzHMBFY&t=9 (I think this classifies like your first two, by the way what is this alternate chord progression?) / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqsgLxuMhLE&t=19 (just the beat rhythm and instrumentation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Bt3cO11w0 (might also classify like your first two...there is also a proper half-canon at the beginning of the real chorus)

I wonder if it is significant that in all 6 of these songs, the IV V iii vi part is twice as fast as the half-canon part? Why can't they be the same speed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Bt3cO11w0 (might also classify like your first two...

That's not exactly the bird blues but another way to connect the canon chords. The bird change connects V (usually inverted as a viidim to create a gradual descending vibe) to vi using a III. This one uses #V so that's a lot easier to follow, though the change doesn't feel as good compared to when a bird change is used.

I wonder if it is significant that in all 6 of these songs, the IV V iii vi part is twice as fast as the half-canon part? Why can't they be the same speed?

Yes, it's an intentional change in the harmonic rhythm. If you leave the anime progression at the same speed, the chorus will be boring and slow. That single part alone is 2x to create energy in the chorus. If you have a keyboard, you can try playing the same progression but leave the 4536 part 2x slower and feel the difference. Also, it creates some empty space to push ii V into the next 2 bars so that you can either go a full cadence with I and conclude the part, or chain into the next part of the chorus with a vi or whatever chord you fancy.

by the way what is this alternate chord progression?

That's just a 4536 being fancy by using VI (C# F G#) instead of vi (C# E G#). That or it's a VIaug (C# F A) instead. Either way, I think it doesn't sound good tbh. If it's VI, then the melody is on A and A+G# is a bad interval. If it's VIaug, the phrase is ending on an augmented chord, which is weird.

What do you call it when a song keeps doing this repeated bouncy up and down thing for an extended period of time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XWQJR20Yo (for me this is the trademark song of the bouncing. There were others, but I forgot what they were)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5j61CpJi0I&t=11 (was relistening to this recently and noticed that it was bouncing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwVY1gUVGA&t=53 (bouncing not as prominent. I noticed it playing Tower with this on infinite loop)

These songs don't sound similar, they are just examples of the bouncing. I'm not sure if the bounce note interval is always the same or changes, or if it's the same between the songs.

What do you call it when a song keeps doing this repeated bouncy up and down thing for an extended period of time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65XWQJR20Yo (for me this is the trademark song of the bouncing. There were others, but I forgot what they were)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5j61CpJi0I&t=11 (was relistening to this recently and noticed that it was bouncing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUwVY1gUVGA&t=53 (bouncing not as prominent. I noticed it playing Tower with this on infinite loop)

These songs don't sound similar, they are just examples of the bouncing. I'm not sure if the bounce note interval is always the same or changes, or if it's the same between the songs.

not sure what you are talking about. I assume it's the drums and nothing related to harmonies. It's just a common drum rhythm
can't provide a better answer unless you can give a more concrete description of what you are trying to find out about

This post has been edited by Ass Spanker: Oct 23 2022, 16:22

[youtu.be] https://youtu.be/jZZPtYOed3Q / [youtu.be] https://youtu.be/DY5vmx0YvgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckArY3sfzyA / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSibPLEYTY8 : march anthem kinda, still have no idea how to describe this genre

I see a vtuber, haha. As soon as I saw that, I instantly thought it was a vtuber, although I'm not sure how I identified that visually as being something different from say MMD or whatever else makes idolmaster songs. Japanese comments confirmed it's a vtuber.

I've still only seen a handful of vtubers (just meet these people in passing when I fight with them) but I might be able to unconsciously key in on their movement styles or (current) limitations by now. Or maybe the rendering style, although now that I look closely this looks like a different renderer than the typical 3D online free vtuber. (Don't see any thin black "lines" on the character anywhere, though I think different renderers can be chosen).

Probably it's the movement. Or if the body fits the common free 3D character generator polygon model (though you don't have to use it if you want to be professional and create your own model from scratch). The free character maker does tend to make lolis like that in my opinion. So most of the 3D free vtubers look lolish. I tried to make an adult woman as a first test character but ended up with a pseudo-loli (like my BWS picture).

not sure what you are talking about. I assume it's the drums and nothing related to harmonies. It's just a common drum rhythm
can't provide a better answer unless you can give a more concrete description of what you are trying to find out about

I don't think it's the drums. I'm not sure, but I don't think it's the harmony in the Pokemon song. It might be a part of the harmony in general. In the Pokemon song, maybe I can call the harmony all the stuff that comes out of the left speaker? It might be the bass notes in the Pokemon song, although it's not that low frequency compared to most songs.

In Xenoglossia, what I interpret to be alternating, repetitive, bouncing notes (it may not actually be doing what I think it is) only happens during the linked chorus. It's not the melody, nor the harmony, nor the drums. It might be the bass, of a similar frequency to the Pokemon song. But I think I also hear a constant lower frequency earthquake-generator bass in this song (which does not bounce notes) and it's not that.

In Magical Pokan, I guess the same as the previous two songs. Maybe it's a part of the harmony. It's always the same sounding instrument in all 3 songs. Like a high bass or something, coming out the center.

I don't think it's the drums. I'm not sure, but I don't think it's the harmony in the Pokemon song. It might be a part of the harmony in general. In the Pokemon song, maybe I can call the harmony all the stuff that comes out of the left speaker? It might be the bass notes in the Pokemon song, although it's not that low frequency compared to most songs.

In Xenoglossia, what I interpret to be alternating, repetitive, bouncing notes (it may not actually be doing what I think it is) only happens during the linked chorus. It's not the melody, nor the harmony, nor the drums. It might be the bass, of a similar frequency to the Pokemon song. But I think I also hear a constant lower frequency earthquake-generator bass in this song (which does not bounce notes) and it's not that.

In Magical Pokan, I guess the same as the previous two songs. Maybe it's a part of the harmony. It's always the same sounding instrument in all 3 songs. Like a high bass or something, coming out the center.

That was unfortunately not very helpful in helping me diagnose which part you were talking about. Can you narrow it down into one of these? Or be extra specific if it's outside these.
- Harmony: Do you mean bouncing chords? That does not make much sense but maybe it's chords that keep alternating, like I V I V I V I V...
- Melody: Do you mean a melody with notes that keep alternating, like C D C D C D C... Used in a lot of music, but not present here, though.
- Rhythm: Do you mean a rhythm that alternates snare and bass every quarter note? Pretty standard rhythm used almost everywhere. This was my first thought when I saw "bouncing".
- Production: The sound. The instrument/synth itself sounds "bouncing". Speaking in a more scientific way, I guess long attack, long decay and sustain?

I think it is harmony notes (or chords, sometimes I still cannot tell the difference between a single note and a chord, especially when the pitch frequency is low). So like a I V I V pattern (actual notes may be different).

In the Pokemon song, what sounds to me like a I V I V pattern is occurring at 276 bpm (each note/chord is a beat, regardless of what the note is). It's a moderately low frequency so it's hard for me to tell the instrumention, but I guess synthetic, coming out of center.

Note that I could be wrong about what I'm hearing. For example, maybe the song is just playing V V V V and something (like the kickdrum or another instrument) is interfering and making me imagine (low kick I) V (low kick I) V. Now that I listen more closely, the whole Pokemon song doesn't constantly do this bouncing. The introduction does it the whole time. During the vocals it sort of randomly starts and stops at odd times, so it could be my mental (mis)interpretation of a combination of notes/chords/instruments or something.

In Xenoglossia what I interpret to be the bounce notes/chords occur at 214 bpm. In Magical Pokan, they are 298 bpm.

This post has been edited by BlueWaterSplash: Oct 31 2022, 01:58

I think it is harmony notes (or chords, sometimes I still cannot tell the difference between a single note and a chord, especially when the pitch frequency is low). So like a I V I V pattern (actual notes may be different).

In the Pokemon song, what sounds to me like a I V I V pattern is occurring at 276 bpm (each note/chord is a beat, regardless of what the note is). It's a moderately low frequency so it's hard for me to tell the instrumention, but I guess synthetic, coming out of center.

Note that I could be wrong about what I'm hearing. For example, maybe the song is just playing V V V V and something (like the kickdrum or another instrument) is interfering and making me imagine (low kick I) V (low kick I) V. Now that I listen more closely, the whole Pokemon song doesn't constantly do this bouncing. The introduction does it the whole time. During the vocals it sort of randomly starts and stops at odd times, so it could be my mental (mis)interpretation of a combination of notes/chords/instruments or something.

In Xenoglossia what I interpret to be the bounce notes/chords occur at 214 bpm. In Magical Pokan, they are 298 bpm.

I think I finally get what you meant. The first thing is chords don't (and shouldn't) change that fast, else they kinda lose the meaning since they are there to shape the sounds. But how to make chords not stale when you have to make them go for that long? Like, no one is gonna hold a chord on piano for a full 16 beats. That's where rhythmic creativity comes in.
You have a lot of methods to play your chord.
The simplest way is to just hold the chord for its entire length, but that doesn't really scale up when the chord takes up multiple beats since the sound decays after a while.
Another way is to spam the chord every beat/half beat/quarter beat/some kind of syncopation like 3-3-2. This is a very common method used to spice up the chords. Example
Another way is to break the chords into multiple subchords, then integrate with the rhythm split method above. This is helpful when you have a complex chord made up of a lot of notes. Imagine Cmaj7 (C E G B ) but you play C for half a beat then E G B for half a beat, repeat this for 4 beats. Or another way to play this is to hold C E for the entire period, or C E every 2 beats while G and B alternating every half a beat. Now, does this sound familiar? I guess it's some kind of arpeggios.
The idea is to reinforce a few repeating notes in the listener's mind to create a chord.


more similar songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhzujshdvLQ / anything kz: listen to the fast synth arpeggiator and thin synth design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf96HxtQWP0 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkMVWGlBMP8: chorus melodies mostly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf96HxtQWP0 / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij6EeV9SUAo : same as above, though there's some aspect of sound design as well, which kinda makes sense considering Arai Kenji started out as a fripSide member. And this genre was fairly predominant in older visual novel music.

This post has been edited by Ass Spanker: Nov 1 2022, 04:55

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