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post Jan 2 2022, 15:26
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After doing some more tests in incognito mode of chrome (allowed extension: Tampermonkey with Monsterbation 1.4.1.2 only) as suggested in discord,
the current version of Monsterbation works fine with both ajax options on without any mentioned problem yesterday (disabled submit button and missing of count down value) in both Persistent and Isekai.

I finally found out that it is an extension (Ruffle) I am using that causes the conflict.
Since there are a couple of players having the same problem in the Isekai 0.89 thread, probably they have other extensions or scripts that cause the problem.
I'd suggest to turn off both ajax options as a workaround or try those extensions/scripts in incognito mode to find out the conflicting extension/script.

I'd suggest to try one of the methods provided by what_is_name: https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=6050704
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After some testing, I think I've found out one of the causes if your submit buttons is disabled and the count down value does not show up.
It's probably because you have checked the options of ajax in Monsterbation:

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=6050019

Also, if you are using the dark style css, there is an update for it to fix the count down value being so dark originally and appears as invisble in a dark background.

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post Jan 2 2022, 19:10
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QUOTE(raraha @ Jan 2 2022, 13:26) *

After some testing, I think I've found out one of the causes if your submit buttons is disabled and the count down value does not show up.
It's probably because you have checked the options of ajax in Monsterbation:
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=6050019


I have ajax enabled and never had this issues, yet. Though i have also disabled this option: "skip end of round popup".
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post Jan 3 2022, 18:49
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Riddlemaster in persistent is a disappointment now that I'm used to the new one. When do we get animated captchas? Vibrating ponies on a strobing background!
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post Jan 3 2022, 19:02
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QUOTE(Necromusume @ Jan 3 2022, 16:49) *

Riddlemaster in persistent is a disappointment now that I'm used to the new one. When do we get animated captchas? Vibrating ponies on a strobing background!


Tenboro told me that in a future version, you'll have to identify the ponies by smell alone.
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post Jan 3 2022, 19:10
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Jan 3 2022, 17:02) *
Tenboro told me that in a future version, you'll have to identify the ponies by smell alone.

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post Jan 3 2022, 20:38
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Jan 3 2022, 17:02) *
identify the ponies by smell
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post Jan 3 2022, 22:28
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QUOTE(Nezu @ Jan 3 2022, 14:02) *

Tenboro told me that in a future version, you'll have to identify the ponies by smell alone.


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post Jan 4 2022, 04:22
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Well I think I am doing even worse and may have crossed over into a higher stamina penalty.

Currently it appears I use a stamina every ten rounds which seems high. Unless I am mistaken I think ~60 rounds in tower was about 3 stamina. Today 70 rounds took 7 stamina.

I really hate the this new system. Under the old one I would occasionally screw up and lose a Stamina. Now there seems to be a cumulative effect for every wrong answer or missed third pony that just seems to snowball over time. Plus I am not even sure what I got wrong when. I think part of my issue is I tried taking more chances on guessing the last pony and seem to be doing worse now so I guess a wrong selection is worse than no selection but you do get punished either way. You don't get any feedback to work off of. Other than the fact that I am now in a hole that appears impossible to dig out of, I have no idea when I have made mistakes. Prior to the red appearing I thought I was doing quite well which I obviously wasn't and trying to adjust probably just made things worse.
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post Jan 4 2022, 08:51
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QUOTE(nomoreid123 @ Jan 3 2022, 21:22) *

Well I think I am doing even worse and may have crossed over into a higher stamina penalty.

Currently it appears I use a stamina every ten rounds which seems high. Unless I am mistaken I think ~60 rounds in tower was about 3 stamina. Today 70 rounds took 7 stamina.

I really hate the this new system. Under the old one I would occasionally screw up and lose a Stamina. Now there seems to be a cumulative effect for every wrong answer or missed third pony that just seems to snowball over time. Plus I am not even sure what I got wrong when. I think part of my issue is I tried taking more chances on guessing the last pony and seem to be doing worse now so I guess a wrong selection is worse than no selection but you do get punished either way. You don't get any feedback to work off of. Other than the fact that I am now in a hole that appears impossible to dig out of, I have no idea when I have made mistakes. Prior to the red appearing I thought I was doing quite well which I obviously wasn't and trying to adjust probably just made things worse.


I'm sure is "it's working as intended." Which translates to "programming designed to randomly fail, frustrate the user, and service as a punishment for using the product."
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post Jan 4 2022, 17:04
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FWIW, as Xeda pointed out to me privately as they were confused about their accuracy, some versions of HV Utils apparently colors the stamina readout red for unknown reasons, so there's that.
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post Jan 4 2022, 17:39
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QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *

- You can now attempt/clear The Tower 5 times per day until you reach Floor 20.

- The base durations for most debuff spells was significantly increased.

- When shrining trophies for armor, you can now select the armor slot of the generated equipment.

- The limit for primary attribute reassignments was removed. You can now freely reassign EXP at any time.

Finally!


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *

When salvaging Legendary and Peerless equipment, you will now gain "Equipment Cores" - these will be used for a future mechanics where you can improve the base stats of legendary and peerless equipment. See "Future Changes to Equipment Mechanics" below.

This is a decent idea, in line with my suggestion back then, to use other legendary items to upgrade base stats on other legendaries.


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *

Peerless equipment will (probably) also be possible to upgrade further.

I really hope not. Otherwise the name Peerless won't mean anything anymore.


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *

You will no longer be "upgrading" stats individually,
Existing upgrades will be converted

This is VERY bad.
Some styles avoid upgrading some stats like the plague (e.g AGI on weapons for 1H Heavy)...are you now telling that I can't leave specific stats unupgraded on purpose anymore? Ohno.


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *
Various disabled equipment types will also be re-enabled as rare drops.

I hope this means Scythes will be back, fingers crossed.


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *
These changes will also involve replacing the existing "potency" mechanics with a different (less random) system.

Good, for the new items.

QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *

Existing unlocked potencies will not carry over in any way.

Bad, for the old items.
All the credits and amnesia shards spent to IW some items will not be back, and what will be back is a blank item with no potencies.
Also, people who relied on services and then soulbound the equipment will be forced to keep an item with IW0 or have to redo all the work by themselves with no option to use a proxy service anymore.
Bad, again bad.


QUOTE(Tenboro @ Dec 21 2021, 10:17) *
The Item World will basically work like The Tower

...Tower to persistent? 👉👈
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post Jan 4 2022, 17:52
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Jan 4 2022, 15:39) *

This is VERY bad.
Some styles avoid upgrading some stats like the plague (e.g AGI on weapons for 1H Heavy)...are you now telling that I can't leave specific stats unupgraded on purpose anymore? Ohno.

You could just reduce your pabs by the same amount of agility that was upgraded in your equipment (free reassignment as well), which is more exp to stick on whatever else. Not sure whats bad about it
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post Jan 4 2022, 21:29
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Everyone, there is hope, I was expending 6 or more stamina clearing the tower and the last arenas, now I finally got rid of the penalty!

It really helps knowing it is better not to try and guess those ninja ponies that don't even look like a living thing.

Even so I still think the new riddlemaster should be improved a bit, if you have a streak of ninja ponies you end up falling in the stamina penalty hole, where you can play less rounds and get less riddles, leading you to stay penalized for days.

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post Jan 5 2022, 03:05
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Jan 4 2022, 16:39) *
Bad, for the old items.
All the credits and amnesia shards spent to IW some items will not be back, and what will be back is a blank item with no potencies.
Also, people who relied on services and then soulbound the equipment will be forced to keep an item with IW0 or have to redo all the work by themselves with no option to use a proxy service anymore.
Bad, again bad.

Wait this mean that EXISTING equiment will be wiped out of their IW?

This is a NO-NO, people spent million on equipments IW, is not something that can be reversed.

More, who like me have most equipment Soulbond and have only a single set will be stopped to perform a new IW immediatly.

I'ts ok if this is if you willingly reforge, but wiping everything is not an option that can be taken in consideration.

UNLESS....

1) The path to make the IW you want is much more easy

2) You can IW Equipped equipments

3) There will be a compensation to everything that is lost... but i even don't know ho to calculate this, expecially for Staffs and Double Proficiency Armors.

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post Jan 5 2022, 09:55
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Even J5C5 is like... $6 - $7 real money. It's not a fortune. We had the use of it for years. It's crazy that people will spend so long doing item world for so little money.

So you need to have a B tier equip to swap in for every slot, big woop. 1/6 equips at a time being B tier is not going to slow you down that much. Especially if we no longer have to do 200+ runs.

It was never intended for new item world to be torturous. When potencies were first introduced, they were supposed to be pure upside, and quick to do. Your equipment got potencies that it never had before, and you did it once, then you were done. It was supposed to end the old system of having to IW your equipment continually to keep it at your level, while still keeping IW somewhere in the game.

Then, within a couple of days, the players decided that they wanted perfect potencies. They asked for a way to reset, and got amnesia shards. The players turned it into obsessive-compulsive torture all by themselves.

Needing to spend 1m-4m on IW service before you can use an equip because the game is now balanced around having Op5 on melee weapons (non-1H), J5 on armors and P5S4 on staves and you can't do it yourself, is a gameplay problem that merits addressing. It never interacted well with soulbinding at all. It matters more now that we have Isekai for reasons that ought to be obvious. People don't have their perfect rigs from Persistent for IWing, and it's not worth the time or effort for equipment that will evaporate, yet the game has still grown to be balanced around having certain potencies.

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post Jan 5 2022, 11:46
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jan 4 2022, 07:28) *


I did the same but still failed to distinguish the ponies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Jan 5 2022, 14:15
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QUOTE(Necromusume @ Jan 5 2022, 08:55) *

Even J5C5 is like... $6 - $7 real money. It's not a fortune. We had the use of it for years. It's crazy that people will spend so long doing item world for so little money.

So you need to have a B tier equip to swap in for every slot, big woop. 1/6 equips at a time being B tier is not going to slow you down that much. Especially if we no longer have to do 200+ runs.

It was never intended for new item world to be torturous. When potencies were first introduced, they were supposed to be pure upside, and quick to do. Your equipment got potencies that it never had before, and you did it once, then you were done. It was supposed to end the old system of having to IW your equipment continually to keep it at your level, while still keeping IW somewhere in the game.

Then, within a couple of days, the players decided that they wanted perfect potencies. They asked for a way to reset, and got amnesia shards. The players turned it into obsessive-compulsive torture all by themselves.

Needing to spend 1m-4m on IW service before you can use an equip because the game is now balanced around having Op5 on melee weapons (non-1H), J5 on armors and P5S4 on staves and you can't do it yourself, is a gameplay problem that merits addressing. It never interacted well with soulbinding at all. It matters more now that we have Isekai for reasons that ought to be obvious. People don't have their perfect rigs from Persistent for IWing, and it's not worth the time or effort for equipment that will evaporate, yet the game has still grown to be balanced around having certain potencies.


Honestly, Some potencies are quite bad, I began working on a legendary shortshord in Isekai and the first three potencies were Overpower, now I have a legendary shortsword with 12% counterparry, that honestly I don't even know how it exactly works as I can't find any explanation on the wiki, my understanding is that I can avoid a monster parry, but monsters can only parry with a 10%? chance at most if fully updated, so If I have a 12% chance to counter parry them the potency sounds useless.

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post Jan 5 2022, 20:32
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QUOTE(Alexander44 @ Jan 5 2022, 12:15) *

Honestly, Some potencies are quite bad, I began working on a legendary shortshord in Isekai and the first three potencies were Overpower, now I have a legendary shortsword with 12% counterparry, that honestly I don't even know how it exactly works as I can't find any explanation on the wiki, my understanding is that I can avoid a monster parry, but monsters can only parry with a 10%? chance at most if fully updated, so If I have a 12% chance to counter parry them the potency sounds useless.


Nah, it's multiplicative - if the monsters have 20% parry chance and you have 12% counter-parry, then it's
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0.2 * (1 - 0.12) = 0.176
- so they'd have a 17.6% chance to parry you.

The maximum parry is around 27% - monsters gain parry from dex, just like players, as well as their Chaos rank.

Overpower is by far the best potency for non-1H melee, and the only reason it's not the best for 1H is because the Overwhelming Strikes proc grants counter-parry also. But because it's hard to keep that up 100% of the time, I still use Overpower on my 1H weapons for record runs, and I've still found it to be the best by a small amount.
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post Jan 5 2022, 23:52
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QUOTE(Juggernaut Santa @ Jan 4 2022, 12:39) *

Bad, for the old items.
All the credits and amnesia shards spent to IW some items will not be back, and what will be back is a blank item with no potencies.
Also, people who relied on services and then soulbound the equipment will be forced to keep an item with IW0 or have to redo all the work by themselves with no option to use a proxy service anymore.

QUOTE(Maharid @ Jan 4 2022, 22:05) *

Wait this mean that EXISTING equiment will be wiped out of their IW?

This is a NO-NO, people spent million on equipments IW, is not something that can be reversed.

More, who like me have most equipment Soulbond and have only a single set will be stopped to perform a new IW immediatly.

I'ts ok if this is if you willingly reforge, but wiping everything is not an option that can be taken in consideration.


Really, this will be very sad. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

In my case, observing my notes, between the beginning of 2017 and the end of 2021, I spent with IW Service exactly 45,908,670 credits, plus 1,973 Amneia Shards (sent by me at the end of the service). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) I guess this will not return. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I just hope Tenboro accepts my idea to first reset all equipment, then return 100% of the forge material to the inventory, and only then perform the conversion to the new system. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Otherwise, if the material does not return (as described in the initial post), I will lose a gigantic amount of materials (I have many forged equipment). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)
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post Jan 6 2022, 02:44
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QUOTE(Basara Nekki @ Jan 5 2022, 22:52) *

Really, this will be very sad. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

In my case, observing my notes, between the beginning of 2017 and the end of 2021, I spent with IW Service exactly 45,908,670 credits, plus 1,973 Amneia Shards (sent by me at the end of the service). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) I guess this will not return. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I just hope Tenboro accepts my idea to first reset all equipment, then return 100% of the forge material to the inventory, and only then perform the conversion to the new system. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Otherwise, if the material does not return (as described in the initial post), I will lose a gigantic amount of materials (I have many forged equipment). (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)


I don't think thiss will hit upgraded euipments.

For the upgrade part i think you will keep the equipment as they are, if you willingly reforge them after the change you will get no materials.

But at the current moment i thin everything is too confusionary to talk about it, we need to wait and see what 10B final strategy will lokk like.

I think we have made mistakes in understending, i don't think he will simply swipe away hours of work and a lot of credits and even real money, if that will be the case i fear fo the ones that have made dual potency of armors with J5 and a single proof (like Holyproof 5).
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