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Can the ponies be darkened or drawn in different colors while the background is brightened to get rid of the invisible pony problem? Half of the captchas i ran into today had an invisible pony.

These images only have to be unique enough that botters can't do image matching within a tolerance level. If the location/color of each pony is unique each time then there's no reason to make the background and pony colors so close to each other that there's invisible ponies. (If you wanted to add an additional level of complexity to mess with botter algos you can stretch the ponies horizontally/vertically or skew/curve them with some kind of filter by a different % each time)

I use 150% zoom, is it possible to have a setting for the image's vertical height to be reduced about 66-75% so i don't have to scroll down to see the choices and submit button?

This post has been edited by XMike: Dec 25 2021, 08:46

Can the ponies be darkened or drawn in different colors while the background is brightened to get rid of the invisible pony problem? Half of the captchas i ran into today had an invisible pony.

You're still good on accuracy so it's within expected "unsolvableness". As far as increasing the contrast goes, it's really not as easy as doing either of those things due to how the vectors are stored and blended together. I *might* change it at some point, but I'd have to redo all the vectors so it's a bunch of work.

I use 150% zoom, is it possible to have a setting for the image's vertical height to be reduced about 66-75% so i don't have to scroll down to see the choices and submit button?

You can use a CSS add-on to change any visual thing to whatever you want on the browser-side.

You're still good on accuracy so it's within expected "unsolvableness".

Last three riddle of mine is definitely bad: one was 2/3, one was 1/1, and one was 1/2 (or 1/3? Can't confirm). Although the Stamina number is still not in red, the pressure is definitely building up.

Last three riddle of mine is definitely bad: one was 2/3, one was 1/1, and one was 1/2 (or 1/3? Can't confirm). Although the Stamina number is still not in red, the pressure is definitely building up.

You're a bit below the required accuracy, yeah, there just haven't been enough riddles to make it take effect. You're seeing a lot of phantom Fluttershies, and it's usually better to not select one if you're not reasonably sure.

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i see 2 pony

I can see 3 twilight sparkle's tails, so they are all twilight sparkle (supposedly)

It ain't that bad, take a look at mine:

Look, it is Baldshy!

Soon enough we will find an Invisible Pink Unicorn mixed in our ponies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

i see 2 pony

Pinkie, Rarity, and another Pinkie on the right (see the tail?)

I think I need glasses and a lot more time ...

I find those new pony charts refreshingly challenging.
Some were frustrating but I expected addition of at least Starlight Glimmer to the roster in addition to those changes.

That being said: Rotation buttons would help humans a lot - while I'm on a laptop it's easy to rotate the whole thing but a desktop will be more problematic. (at least until userscript appears)

Can you adjust for stamina display when ponies appear?
It would be nice to even be in battle and still see stamina.

I found some different log after pony
"The Riddlemaster listens to your answer .... "
does it mean the accuracy about the Riddlemaster , or just a Random selection

"The Riddlemaster listens to your answer .... "
does it mean the accuracy about the Riddlemaster , or just a Random selection

Random, and they're all deliberately Delphic phrasing that could apply whether you're right or wrong. The entire idea is not to give any feedback that could be used to train a bot.

Completing new ridle thing i feel like most of the time i'm just guessing answer, usually 1 pony is obvious, but second or third one are tricky, so most of time i'm guessing. I see that there is second another pony but cannot determine which one it is, so just guess.

With old riddle system was certainty in my answers, now it is just guesses.

The obfuscation factors (blobbiness and graininess) are now dynamic and adjusted interally based on various factors, primarily your level and how much you played lately.

I have played the new season enough notice the obfuscation difference between the first 1-2 riddlemaster and the most recent. At level 150 and stamina in the 70s, it is difficult, but not too hard. I am a little concerned once the changes reach Persistent given my higher level. Just speculating, but I believe that most players are too busy with real life to consume more than 10-20 stamina each day. If true and if obfuscation factors tilt more towards how much you played lately as opposed to level, then the changes should have a minimal impact. Otherwise, stamina consumption will increase more than we would like, but that is not the end of the world, and we will deal with it as best we can.

You're a bit below the required accuracy, yeah, there just haven't been enough riddles to make it take effect. You're seeing a lot of phantom Fluttershies, and it's usually better to not select one if you're not reasonably sure.

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Well, I select twilight sparkle and rainbow dash and leave the third as it is (apparently it is as clear as the mud).
The only thing I am for sure is that the one I simply ignored is definitely neither twilight sparkle nor rainbow dash.
And the pressure up up up up up up up up. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Soon enough we will find an Invisible Pink Unicorn mixed in our ponies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

You just jinxed it didn't you? Here is the Invisible Pink Unicorn in my riddle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by OnceForAll: Dec 26 2021, 06:00

some questions and some thoughts about the new mechanism of riddlemaster,
sorry if it's too long.

Q1:

Instead of docking stamina directly, the recent average of these accuracy scores is used interally to adjust the per-battle stamina cost.

In a normal condition, it will cost 0.06 and 0.04 stamina per round in battle for >=60 and < 60 stamina respectively,
can we know how much stamina per round it will cost if we are under stamina penalty for both great stamina and normal stamina?

I think knowing how much stamina will be consumed is quite important especially in Isekai because of its higher stamina consumption and it will affect the choice of what to do, like picking which arena to clear or do an iw run.

Q2:

The "wrongness" for a riddle answer is calculated as (unique_ponies - num_correct + num_wrong) / unique_ponies, ...

It seems that choosing a wrong pony will mutiply the wrongness for quite a bit depends on the number of unique ponies,
my question is if I can't keep answering almost perfectly for most of the riddle,
for example, about 70% time of success in identifying:
1 ponies out of 1 unique number of pony
2 ponies out of 2 unique number of pony
2 ponies out of 3 unique number of pony
Will I fall into the penalty condition in the long run?


Some thoughts:
If the purpose of riddlemaster is to keep bot away, would it be easier to use something like google recaptcha to check whether it's a human playing or not,
punish the stamina if failed in answering like the riddlemaster working in persistent
and let the new riddlemaster just be a model for rewarding but not punishing?

I've played this game for almost a year, and in the first couple of months, I was still often unable to figure out the difference between fluttershy and rarity in some situation and get them wrong.

Now I often need to rotate my head and zoom the web page in and out, being very nervous, and only check the ponies that are obvious to me, I think I often miss out 1 pony because of the time limit.
Frankly speaking, I'd capture the pony screen and study it afterwards, and it often took me more than 5 minutes to figure out all the ponies, and sometimes I am still unable to figure all of them out.

If I were a new player after the new riddlemaster go live in persistent, I think I'd be very soon fall into the vicious cycle of permanent stamina penalty and can't get out of it.

Actually I am thinking sooner or later I will fall into that vicious cycle in isekai as well.

The new riddlemaster is cool and challenging as a riddle quest, it's fantastic as a rewarding system but it's more like a punishing game now.

If the purpose of riddlemaster is to keep bot away, would it be easier to use something like google recaptcha to check whether it's a human playing or not,

There are proxy-solution services available for most common captchas, as far as I'm aware, which is one of the reasons we have a custom one in the first place (rather than just for shits and giggles).

Can we do something about the overlap?
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I suppose this is 3 Rarities, yes? Because I can barely recognize 3 Rarity tails. But imagine if the tail in the circle is on the left side - I wonder if anyone is able to tell what the third pony is.

You just jinxed it didn't you? Here is the Invisible Pink Unicorn in my riddle (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Oh, I was expecting it, it was foretold by gyromancy. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by jy-laji: Dec 26 2021, 13:31

I made some internal tweaks to stamina penalty capping, riddle scheduling and riddle difficulty calculation. Most notably, it now caps the applied penalty for low accuracy by the number of riddles solved.

can we know how much stamina per round it will cost if we are under stamina penalty for both great stamina and normal stamina?

Depends on your accuracy.

my question is if I can't keep answering almost perfectly for most of the riddle,
for example, about 70% time of success in identifying:
Will I fall into the penalty condition in the long run?

It tells you if you have a penalty ("stamina" is shown in red).

Maybe the answer to some ponies just being WEIRD is just to count correct and wrong by nature of "correct ponies identified".

As in:
+1 For every correct pony chosen.
-1 For every wrong pony chosen and for every not chosen correct pony

This way, if there's a really obfuscated third pony, it wouldn't really matter much. If it's the same as one of the other two, you are correct. If it's different you are at +-0 or +1 depending of it was two different ones or not.

That way there may be no need for "thresholds" either. As long as you are at 0, it'd be fine, and if not.. well.


Just a thought.