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The amount of people that visit here I wouldn't think we'd need that many?

I don't understand. Are you saying that we should have less people on here than we do now?

@Tenboro

#1 The ad providers at norfourchan are rather aids, but yes they do not care about loli/shota etc and they pay the server costs no problem. The up/downtime in the past was mainly the shitty board script it was running before and before that something happened to the domain. Again though, this ad provider really sucks, but they don't care about that type of content and the ad frame is easily enough blocked.

#2 You don't have to use paypal or w/e as your payment system. You could setup your own payment system like newzbin.com has for example. I think there are both US & British banks which will setup such payment systems for you. Then YOU will be in control of your own payment system and won't get jacked like paypal would do to you.

#3 You don't even have to make it a "pay site" and still force money out of people to an extent. You say if every visitor donated a tenth of a cent it would pay the bills. So what if one out of 10,000 users donated $1 a month? Also It would be fairly trivial to limit anonymous users to 25KB/sec or something, thus allowing them to still view for free but just at much lower speed. The Linux kernel already has such functionality built in (not sure which OS you use), then you could just give donators higher QoS/exemption from the limit when they log in (temporarily give their IP a higher level of service until they log out). Plus is anyone going to bitch if you make the minimum donation something very low like $5 for 5 months of no limit?

This seems like the best solution to me, especially #3. Also if you make the donate sign more prevalent, like for example a big "donate we need money or we will be gone!" sign on the front page of the site, more people will donate. Maybe not many more, but money is money no matter how small.

Also it looks like in retaliation 4chan is marking all galleries as loli, shouta, incest. Just thought you might want to know who is behind it.

1. no comment

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3. Crippling the site in any way would make it less attractive for free users. They'd go somewhere with no restrictions.

The fact is, restrictions are already here.

What is in discussion is if we want a crippled co-dependant board or a healthy free board with part of its content made as premium.

The fact is, restrictions are already here.

What is in discussion is if we want a crippled co-dependant board or a healthy free board with part of its content made as premium.

If you make some content premium you've already crippled the site to free users to an extent.

If you make some content premium you've already crippled the site to free users to an extent.

Free board with part of its content gone for everyone.
Free board with part of its content accessible to some.

Which is more crippled?

3. Crippling the site in any way would make it less attractive for free users. They'd go somewhere with no restrictions.

Capping the bandwidth a particular ip can use to something like 25KB/sec is hardly "crippling" the site. Horrible ads and lack of wanted content however are. Stop moaning about some $1 month donation. I admit, $20 seems a bit much considering I don't even really use this site. I just use it as a mirror for my group's scanlations.... but if it were like $1 a month I'd pay. If they had their own payment system I'd think plenty of people would be willing to put down $1 a month.

Free board with part of its content gone for everyone.
Free board with part of its content accessible to some.

Which is more crippled?

Both.

Of course that's not the only two options. A lot of people have been screaming to get new advertisers. That's the best route, the site will go back to what it was without any further changes.

Although a more prominent donate button would help.

I don't understand. Are you saying that we should have less people on here than we do now?

No.

Doing that might spur some people to donate, but it's not going to turn every single site visitor into a donator.

Some people can't transfer money online or don't want to, or can't read English and wouldn't be affected by an anouncement anyway...

but if it gets more people to donate, that would be good... to be honest I never noticed a donate button here.

Saying we don't need to have everyone donate. Visitors coming here are plenty for a site to remain free. But if many of these visitors want the same E-hentai a good number of them have enjoyed for years, they have to help out now against faggotry.

Both.

Both are more crippled than each other? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

C,mon, be a bit honest.

What is it that you would prefer, none or some?

It's not the money, it's the action. If there were a non-traceable little coin slot by my computer that asked for a nickle every month or two, I'd gladly put it in. Hell, I might even slip a 20 for what it gets me, but that's not how online transactions work. Point is Tenboro offers ample incentive for people to donate and because of that he gets comparatively ample donations, but it's just not enough because the few people who choose to pay are offsetting the price of the strain created by the popularity the site has due to it being free. There's just no way donations are ever going to completely cover the exponentially growing server costs; advertisers are really a simple necessity. Incidents like these are unfortunate, but are just part of the territory.

Capping the bandwidth a particular ip can use to something like 25KB/sec is hardly "crippling" the site....

YES it is. If the site can't be accesed by free users the same as paying users, the site is crippled to free users.

Basically, if you have the same set of pictures, and one person can DL it in 2 seconds and the other has to wait for 60 seconds, the site is crippled for the one that has to wait longer: Same content but different access times.

ban Guro content to, i'm not a psycho. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

how much does people using H@H go towards reducing server costs?

Capping the bandwidth a particular ip can use to something like 25KB/sec is hardly "crippling" the site. Horrible ads and lack of wanted content however are. Stop moaning about some $1 month donation. I admit, $20 seems a bit much considering I don't even really use this site. I just use it as a mirror for my group's scanlations.... but if it were like $1 a month I'd pay. If they had their own payment system I'd think plenty of people would be willing to put down $1 a month.

I have no problem with the bandwidth cut either, I'd even donate to help the site AND take the cut all to help reduce operating costs so we can run without advertisers that don't want us.

Honestly on the busiest times doesn't the site run at that speed? I'm usually browsing E-hentai when I'm using my bandwidth for a download (at only 128k/s) and I'm fine with that speed (unless trying to look at an animated gallery : P )

Don't any of you remember the old dial-up days? I used to wait for whole manga dls at 3kb/s

Capping the bandwidth a particular ip can use to something like 25KB/sec is hardly "crippling" the site. Horrible ads and lack of wanted content however are. Stop moaning about some $1 month donation. I admit, $20 seems a bit much considering I don't even really use this site. I just use it as a mirror for my group's scanlations.... but if it were like $1 a month I'd pay. If they had their own payment system I'd think plenty of people would be willing to put down $1 a month.

I agree with this. I am a lurker, and I do peruse the site, damn near daily. I was looking into making a donation before, and now that this has happened, I'm more inclined to do so if it brings back the "good" stuff.

I lost my incest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

As for the ad host notfourchan uses, I've been looking into it a bit, and..

[google.com] http://google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?...ultadworld.com/

.. not the kind of thing I want on my site.

YES it is. If the site can't be accesed by free users the same as paying users, the site is crippled to free users.

Basically, if you have the same set of pictures, and one person can DL it in 2 seconds and the other has to wait for 60 seconds, the site is crippled for the one that has to wait longer: Same content but different access times.

This is a part of the incentive to donate. You still have access to everything for free, instead of having to pay to see anything at all. But if you want more, it costs more money, not because they (er, Tenboro?) wants to pull a profit on you, because we can't get more than that without paying more?

So we need the donations, and it's donations because well the donors are also undoubtedly covering the cost of the masses of free users..

Even though they generate through visiting..

But then their visiting drives up the costs..

I'm terrible at math..

Anyway I don't think its "crippling" as in attrition upon the user, it's simply a reality that things cost money.

Please read the paragraph below with understanding. Then think.

I don't understand DLaglacz

please tell me those galleries are stored some were and not deleted just in case you get new advertisers or something.

This is a part of the incentive to donate. You still have access to everything for free, instead of having to pay to see anything at all.

So we need the donations, and it's donations because well the donors are also undoubtedly covering the cost of the masses of free users..

Anyway I don't think its "crippling" as in attrition upon the user, it's simply a reality that things cost money.

Exactly. If you want to use it for free, it will be slow, if you want to donate, then it will be speedy. I think this is a good solution, too bad it won't work for chans like n4c cause getting rid of that ad provider would surely help them. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But this idea should work in theory just fine for a site like e-hentai which has logins and such.