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Car parts should be waiting on me when I get home.
The fan and shroud basically being gone will it make it easier to get everything apart, though I'm not quite sure the order it should reassemble in. I'd still like to know exactly what made the fan gernade itself though.

I'd still like to know exactly what made the fan gernade itself though.

Common problem with older beamers.

Best fix I've seen is getting a fan off a diesel bmw as they're cast with a ring on the outside and therefore less likely to explode.



The big problem with plastic fans is they get brittle. Once you lose a blade or two it becomes unbalanced and the whole thing basically flies apart.

I'm also surprised you didn't have to dig a few fan fragments out of the radiator.

Part number for the diesel fan is : ES#2996418

Or : 11 52 2 243 303

I'm not up to date on my euro part numbers which is probably for the best as poorly designed components irritate the living shit out of me.

EDDY: Check out the clutch assembly before you buy a new one. It might still be okay as there are only 3 bolts holding the fan to it.

I'd just replace the whole thing but money is tight sometimes.

This post has been edited by Mags_: Oct 22 2021, 18:25

Oh, good call on the diesel fan assembly. Nothing using it was ever sold over here, but an eBay vendor had one.

I'm replacing everything on the shaft as a unit, generally anything 15+ year old, it's all seized together anyways. I probally could save the pulley if I really wanted to.

I tend to replace groups of related parts when something fails as labor/time saver, and knowing those other parts are likely sorry. My weekends have a value as well.


Btw, the LPG option on your hilux is neat, did you retrofit it yourself? LPG is generally only seen in fleet vehicles, and industrial/construction stuff.

I'm not up to date on my euro part numbers which is probably for the best as poorly designed components irritate the living shit out of me.

Did you know the battery in a Volvo 240 doesn't charge if the instrument cluster is unplugged?

Btw, the LPG option on your hilux is neat, did you retrofit it yourself? LPG is generally only seen in fleet vehicles, and industrial/construction stuff.

LPG has been around in Australia for a long time. If you don't go diesel as your fuel of choice a lot of folks install a dual fuel system. LPG is much cheaper with far less emissions. The trade off is shittier mileage than petrol cars. A few years back ford and holden used to make dedicated LPG vehicles from the factory.

They don't make any cars here anymore, and we have a government full of climate hippies who don't understand that you can effectively eliminate emissions by running a vehicle on propane. If we had propane hybrid vehicles or maybe hydrogen then we wouldn't need to invest billions of dollars in charging stations, upgrading electricity infrastructure, and lining that shill Elon Musk's pockets.

Don't get me started on the irony of a snake oil salesman like Musk taking Nikola Tesla's name and using it to sell stupid crap to people with too much money. Musk is basically Edison 2.0

Did you know the battery in a Volvo 240 doesn't charge if the instrument cluster is unplugged?

I'll add that to the growing list of things that suck about owning a 1982 Volvo.

The "biodegradable" wiring is very annoying.

The quality of some of the interior trim is poor.

Pulling the dash out is a fucking nightmare.

Not to mention the relay setup.

I was honestly thinking about redoing the electrics and putting a 1uz in it.

Don't get me started on the irony of a snake oil salesman like Musk taking Nikola Tesla's name and using it to sell stupid crap to people with too much money. Musk is basically Edison 2.0

3.0. Steve Jobs was 2.0.

Also yeah, I wasn't sure what year the "biodegradable" wiring was introduced. Mine doesn't have that, just other issues.

Still jealous of your car though.

Re: Pulling the dash out: I've done it before, and I agree it's terrible.
Also, does your windshield leak? I've seen a few that did.

This post has been edited by dragontamer8740: Oct 23 2021, 13:24

They don't make any cars here anymore, and we have a government full of climate hippies who don't understand that you can effectively eliminate emissions by running a vehicle on propane.

Also ethanol which produces water and carbon dioxide when burnt.

3.0. Steve Jobs was 2.0.

The last apple product I used was a 7500 powermac.

I've never had an iphone or an ipod.

Also yeah, I wasn't sure what year the "biodegradable" wiring was introduced. Mine doesn't have that, just other issues.

Still jealous of your car though.

Re: Pulling the dash out: I've done it before, and I agree it's terrible.
Also, does your windshield leak? I've seen a few that did.

Mine's an '82 with mechanical injection. They fixed the shitty wiring in the late 80's after they went over to efi.

Never had it leak before.

Also ethanol which produces water and carbon dioxide when burnt.

The Australian government is completely retarded when it comes to anything important.

The Australian government is completely retarded when it comes to anything important.

John Howard: LPG, Ethanol and nuclear have far less emissions and would make the country green for a quarter of the cost.



The Greens: No we need expensive and inefficient green energy and communism.






If cars are optimized for ethanol then they produce 30% more power to offset part of the 30% less millage.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Oct 24 2021, 01:15

Even as an electrician, I see 'EVs are the greenest' as a canard at best, and something that'll seriously reduce the service life of vehicles. Your battery that was marginal to start with is used up by 100k miles, and a new one costs more than the vehicle is worth.


On normal cars, got the old parts off, and new water pump, thermostat, and headlight bulbs + drivers in. Salvaged the pulley bolts and fan bots from the old water pump. Tried seperating it from the fan clutch for the hell of it; bloodied my knuckles when the impeller I had a screwdriver in broke and I punched the tarmac. Exactly why I bought a new pulley.
The temperature sender in the lower radiator hose, and a temperature sensor for the electric fan were both toast, so those need to be ordered.
Installing some hood pins tomorrow, and maybe putting the radiator back in.

Currently the carbon footprint of EVs is worse than regular cars. They receive loads of government funding though. So they are increasingly profitable.

Its going to be funny when people realise their 2nd hand car value is negative due to the battery. Currently in Teslas when the battery needs replacement it drops the value of the car by 20k.

It will kill the second hand car market if we go all EVs, but maybe that is the plan.


Everyone having to buy new cars on finance plans makes the billionaires cum in their pants. Filthy peasants won't be able to buy second hand good value cars anymore.

Weird that the greenies haven't thought this through yet, though most of them are funded by the same billionaires.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Oct 24 2021, 23:32

Currently the carbon footprint of EVs is worse than regular cars. They receive loads of government funding though. So they are increasingly profitable.

Its going to be funny when people realise their 2nd hand car value is negative due to the battery. Currently in Teslas when the battery needs replacement it drops the value of the car by 20k.

Yeah they basically use huge arrays of laptop battery cells (18650's) if I remember correctly. Those cells are fucking expensive. And they're marked up a huge amount on top of that by tesla, laptop OEM's, etc.. because they know that they will still sell at whatever price point they tack them at.

Everyone having to buy new cars on finance plans makes the billionaires cum in their pants. Filthy peasants won't be able to buy second hand good value cars anymore.

just like housing.

Weird that the greenies haven't thought this through yet, though most of them are funded by the same billionaires.

Our society is so fucked.

just like housing.Our society is so fucked.

Well housing is dumb here, because their solution to expensive housing was to build housing that barely lasts seven years.

Even when you buy you are renting, its no longer an asset, it just falls to shit and you can hope to maybe get some money back when you have to give the apartment building to a new developer to knock down and rebuild.

There are cars with better warranties than houses here... There are cars with 10 year warranties that the manufacturers have a history of honoring (except Chrysler).

The independent audit found that in my state 97% of new apartment buildings will need MAJOR rectification work within seven years. My country is far behind other countries that have 12 years and stricter liability laws. For some god forsaken model we are using the Chinese Tofu dreg construction model, build it fast, build it cheap, rebuild when it falls over. Here the developer is only liable for 6.5 years, and they can defer the liability to the builder and the builder can defer to the sub contractor.

Yeah a single man Lebanese subcontractor is really going to be able to cover a building falling over. Even if you somehow peg the developer... most of their limited liability corporations have gone bankrupt and re-registered in a family members name within four years.

People that have a defective building are also bullied by the developer, because if the catastrophic defects become public you will not be able to sell the unit and developers are heavily shielded from liability. So you could buy an apartment for $600-1m then end up with a liability of $600-1m of negative equity on top of your mortgage. Only solution is to sell to the next developer to cover part of your mortgage OR don't declare the defects and take the developer to court and try to sell to some sucker so you aren't caught with the hot potato.

There were new luxury million dollar apartments completed that were defected day 1. The developer claimed that they were okay because a random subcontracted engineer approved it. The people who bought off the plan already have negative equity. They had to do heavy concrete and structural rectification day 1, which used to only be required after 20+ years.




EVs.... extremely similar, fantastic resell value until you hit the warranty limit or the battery replacement service and the value can become negative. I think Tesla model 2 is being propped up as the example where the resell value will be negative after the 8 year warranty.

This post has been edited by EsotericSatire: Oct 25 2021, 01:57

I think an important overlooked part of EV's is that the efficiency isn't 100% tied to the car. If the energy grid gets more efficient/green, instantly thousands of EV's benefit. ICE's don't have the same "feature".

I think an important overlooked part of EV's is that the efficiency isn't 100% tied to the car. If the energy grid gets more efficient/green, instantly thousands of EV's benefit. ICE's don't have the same "feature".

Unless they are running on biofuel or ethanol and that process becomes more efficient.


Solar Panels and wind turbines in recent years have increased their carbon foot print due to the decreased longevity and increased production costs.

Nuclear reactors are way ahead on new developments but most in service are multiple generations old. If we had more safe modern nuclear power then EVs would become greener.

It very much depends on the country though, they cut so many corners on some new CCP reactors that they are lasting a fraction of the expected productive lifetime.

Our society is so fucked.

That's an understatement.

Weather wasn't conducive to doing anything, but not a whole lot to do till more parts arrive. Hoses, sensors, and upgraded diesel fan should ship out today.

I think an important overlooked part of EV's is that the efficiency isn't 100% tied to the car. If the energy grid gets more efficient/green, instantly thousands of EV's benefit. ICE's don't have the same "feature".

Electric vehicles themselves aren't the only problem.

Upgrading the power grid to deal with half a million people recharging their Teslas when they get home from work is the most costly part of it.

In Victoria our power is generated by coal.

Our government might be talking a big eco game, but we still have blackouts on a regular basis and scheduled outages to take stress of the grid.

When too many people have their air conditioners on in my state the power fails.

If I point this out to any greenies or climate hippies they look at me like I just stabbed someone.

They honestly believe that EVs are some sort of magic device that runs on the power of friendship and communism that will save us all because Greta and Elon said so.

They're demanding action on climate change and all this other shit when they should be demanding stable fucking electricity.

Our politicians are saying that everyone will be driving electric vehicles in 10 years.

Victoria will still be running on coal in 10 years.

I think an important overlooked part of EV's is that the efficiency isn't 100% tied to the car. If the energy grid gets more efficient/green, instantly thousands of EV's benefit. ICE's don't have the same "feature".

We still have to figure out a good way to deal with the lithium batteries.

Glad I decided to do a more complete overhaul, it's remarkable just how jenga'd in everything is. It would have been a bear to take apart if the fan and shroud weren't demolished.

Fan can't be removed from the clutch in the car.
Fan and clutch assembly and radiator shroud can only be removed as a unit, with one inside the other.
'Lower' radiator hose can't be removed if fan is installed.
Thernostat can't be removed if the lower hose, or water pump pulley is installed.
Water pump requires pulley to be removed to access it's bolts; Mercifully, it can be removed with the fan clutch attached and slid forward enough. Shroud and fan block this, however.
Upper radiator hose has to be removed to access the hex for the fan clutch.
Both serpentine belts need to come off to get the water pump out- but this is very easy to do from yp top with enough stuff removed to get at it's pulley's bolts. It's a pita to changed them from under the car.

And the good:
Despite being spendy, these quick release hose connectors with rubber seals are lovely to work with.
I quite like the use of rubber Orings for the thermostate and water pump, instead of blue rtv and a paper gasket.