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it could be made that the first 5 upgrades of superior and lower equipments do not require bindings.

I would like to see the "either or" for the forge upgrade for materials (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

With the monsters not coughing up many if any at all high grade materials, it would nice to be able to use some the multitude of low or mid-grade materials instead of high-grade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Where x number of low-grade, or x number of mid grade would equal one high grade (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It's almost like the whole Upgrade function was designed for the few elites of HV.

Just remove "almost".
Yep, forging is for top .5% players of HV. Dealwithit.jpg (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Cheap is a relative word, it take me at least 100k to get a single weapon attribute to 5/25, not to mention defensive gears which have rare materials involved, or offensive stats, or phase gears that are 5 times as expensive. To get every attribute of my weapon to 5/25 takes almost 2m (which is like more than half my asset). And that shouldn't be the case for upgrading items of my level. Nobody right in their mind would spend their asset just to 5/25 their mid-tier gears that will be replaced within weeks anyway. It's almost like the whole Upgrade function was designed for the few elites of HV. Besides, what you stated is certainly not noob friendly as noone is upgrading their gears just to have it salvaged afterwards (If I correctly understood what you meant). In fact, most would rather opt to sell unless you're upgrading just for the sake of leveling the Forge.

Whatever, the first few levels just don't seem that hard to me. I can basically do them with the materials I have from salvaging equips and the few bindings my monsters give me (and I don't even have high level monsters, I have like 1 over 600 and 2 over 500, lol). I mean, how easy do you want it to be?

As for upgrading gears with intention of salvaging afterwards, that's what I do when the mats are worth more than the gear it's on, in fact I just did it with my mag breastplate about 2 months ago when I finally dropped an upgrade. Also even when I was level 200 my gears stayed with me for much more than a couple weeks and I still upgraded them, in fact I had almost the same set for nearly 100 levels. People who change their gear every few weeks for miniscule upgrades are idiots.

Forging to Lv.50 maybe for elites.
Forging to Lv.5 is not.

Hwoever when it comes to Phase... , I have to admit that is quite... different.
In my view, it is NOT the forge system's false, but decided by market.
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When mages reach lv310, get the nonCD Imperil, their adventage overwhelm the warrior immidiately .

( Just see below )
[without IMP] hits Ac Milan for 22148
[with IMP] hits Ac Milan for 89679


So lots of players will switch to mages after 310.
It leads to mages equipment and materials price flow.
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(High-grade Leather or metal @ about 12k;
High-grade Cloth @ about 20-23k

Shade Fragment or Repurposed Actuator @ about 20-27k;
Crystallized Phazon @ about 100-110k)


I think such a growing gap will encourge players to switch to mages.

May be we need a smoother growth model.

Whatever, the first few levels just don't seem that hard to me. I can basically do them with the materials I have from salvaging equips and the few bindings my monsters give me (and I don't even have high level monsters, I have like 1 over 600 and 2 over 500, lol). I mean, how easy do you want it to be?

As for upgrading gears with intention of salvaging afterwards, that's what I do when the mats are worth more than the gear it's on, in fact I just did it with my mag breastplate about 2 months ago when I finally dropped an upgrade. Also even when I was level 200 my gears stayed with me for much more than a couple weeks and I still upgraded them, in fact I had almost the same set for nearly 100 levels. People who change their gear every few weeks for miniscule upgrades are idiots.

500 and 600 monster levels are pretty high for me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Whatever, the first few levels just don't seem that hard to me. I can basically do them with the materials I have from salvaging equips and the few bindings my monsters give me (and I don't even have high level monsters, I have like 1 over 600 and 2 over 500, lol). I mean, how easy do you want it to be?

As for upgrading gears with intention of salvaging afterwards, that's what I do when the mats are worth more than the gear it's on, in fact I just did it with my mag breastplate about 2 months ago when I finally dropped an upgrade. Also even when I was level 200 my gears stayed with me for much more than a couple weeks and I still upgraded them, in fact I had almost the same set for nearly 100 levels. People who change their gear every few weeks for miniscule upgrades are idiots.

Well, you're speaking from a perspective of a veteran who's played more than a year. At the moment 100k feels a lot to me, there's no way I'd even consider spending it on my gears that I bought 100k-ish a piece just to have some minuscule upgrade I won't even feel. Rather, I'd sell all my bindings so I can invest in my trainings or save up for a better one. Besides, having 3 lvl 500+ pets cost millions, it takes months to even reach that point where you can harvest bindings and materials to upgrade. Which is far from 'easy'. And that's exactly my point. There is simply no incentive for newer players to use the Forge. That's also why we barely see any upgraded Superior or Exquisite around now.

As for your second point, is it really worth to upgrade a piece of gear with materials that exceeds it's worth? In most cases, I'm willing to bet that it's more effective by selling the equipment/materials and buy a new one with the credits. It's like getting some extra dmg on Exq vs buying a new Legendary.

On a personal note, why would you salvage it? Surely there are people who would want to buy it off you and even they should realize that you won't sell for anything less than the materials you would receive upon salvage.

Well, you're speaking from a perspective of a veteran who's played more than a year.

A year isn't much in HV.

And why do you desire to excessively use the Forge when the first few levels are all you need?
Just use what you have and then focus on Training. Everyone was new at some point but instead of complaining they cleared some rounds.

A year isn't much in HV.

And why do you desire to excessively use the Forge when the first few levels are all you need?
Just use what you have and then focus on Training. Everyone was new at some point but instead of complaining they cleared some rounds.

I'm just suggesting ways to make this game more newbie friendly, what's up with all the opposition? If you're against it, at least give some arguments instead of complaining about people complaining. Just exactly how am I desiring to use it excessively when I don't use it at all, since there's no reason for me to.

Because Newbie friendly isn't what the game is about, it's about being a credit sink. And adding features that make the game easier, and thus less of a credit sink will have the same effect of 'nerfing' the lottery, thus rendering it useless.

Wait, why where we arguing again, over a text-base game to make it more newbie-friendly? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by SoraNoAki: Oct 28 2013, 01:10

I'm just suggesting ways to make this game more newbie friendly, what's up with all the opposition? If you're against it, at least give some arguments instead of complaining about people complaining.

You don't need forging to play on difficulties <PFUDOR. You just need decent Equips/armors.

Because Newbie friendly isn't what the game is about, it's about being a credit sink. And adding features that make the game easier, and thus less of a credit sink will have the same effect of 'nerfing' the lottery, thus rendering it useless.

Wait, why where we arguing again, over a text-base game to make it more newbie-friendly? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Just how is the Upgrade system a credit sink?

I honestly don't see a link between text-based game and newbie-friendliness, if a game is interesting, people stay, if not, people leave. Simple as that. Just how many people reach to point where they can actually make use of the Upgrade system? But then again, most people here active on the forums are 300+. So it probably isn't of any concern to you guys.

You don't need forging to play on difficulties <PFUDOR. You just need decent Equips/armors.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, Upgrading is a feature only meant for the small minority.

Shade Fragment or Repurposed Actuator @ about 20-27k;
Crystallized Phazon @ about 100-110k)
I think such a growing gap will encourge players to switch to mages.

I think the immense increase in demand for mage stuff is really players who used to be dark/holy, now switching to elemental. But this needs to be verified by Tenboro or other admins (?).

As for your second point, is it really worth to upgrade a piece of gear with materials that exceeds it's worth? In most cases, I'm willing to bet that it's more effective by selling the equipment/materials and buy a new one with the credits. It's like getting some extra dmg on Exq vs buying a new Legendary.

On a personal note, why would you salvage it? Surely there are people who would want to buy it off you and even they should realize that you won't sell for anything less than the materials you would receive upon salvage.

There were 5-6 million in mats I could retrieve from salvaging it. Nobody would of paid me that for my old mag fleet breastplate. Even recent legendary fleet pieces haven't been going for more than 2 million or so. As for putting more mats on a piece of equipment than it's worth... well... a lot of people do that (even on really high quality pieces a lot of the time the mats will exceed the piece's worth eventually if you fully upgrade it). Upgrades don't exactly grow on trees at this point for me either (so forging existing gear is better than getting stalled, imo). I had not seen a legendary fleet/SD breastplate for sale/auction for a long time (at least, not one good enough for an upgrade). Recently there seems to be a flood of legendary shade breastplates though. Also you can always get either most of the mats back or your money back to buy new mats so a lot of the risk of forging is gone now (if you get an upgrade nothing wrong with trashing your old gear to get the mats back, you gotta keep moving forward (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ).

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Oct 28 2013, 04:50

I'm just suggesting ways to make this game more newbie friendly, what's up with all the opposition? If you're against it, at least give some arguments instead of complaining about people complaining. Just exactly how am I desiring to use it excessively when I don't use it at all, since there's no reason for me to.

It already has become so newbie friendly it is not even funny any more. Back then we had to grind our ass off to get somewhere.
Now it is so easy to reach level 300 and everyone is already there before he has the money to use those features designed as a money sink for high level guys.

It already has become so newbie friendly it is not even funny any more. Back then we had to grind our ass off to get somewhere.

Level 100 Cure (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

And don't even get me started on trying to make money as a low level either. I remember when Infusions used to sell at the Bazaar for 150 Credits and was the primary reason I was able to train Pack Rat.

This post has been edited by Cashino: Oct 28 2013, 07:06

Whatever, the first few levels just don't seem that hard to me. I can basically do them with the materials I have from salvaging equips and the few bindings my monsters give me (and I don't even have high level monsters, I have like 1 over 600 and 2 over 500, lol). I mean, how easy do you want it to be?

As for upgrading gears with intention of salvaging afterwards, that's what I do when the mats are worth more than the gear it's on, in fact I just did it with my mag breastplate about 2 months ago when I finally dropped an upgrade. Also even when I was level 200 my gears stayed with me for much more than a couple weeks and I still upgraded them, in fact I had almost the same set for nearly 100 levels. People who change their gear every few weeks for miniscule upgrades are idiots.

To get that high level monster you need also crystals. A LOT OF crystals and now added Chows/Edibles/Cuisine.

You need to maintain it too. And remember, bindings don't drop just like that.

It's rare to see bindings, even i have 10 monsters, usually they only drop low-grade/mid-grade drops, rarely high-grade and VERY rarely bindings of what I want such as Slaughter.

Do you think it is friendly ? Well, for you it is.

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And salvaging doesn't yield any bindings, except the equipment you said is upgraded.Even I had ever tried

salvaging my magnificent wakizashis which is already upgraded some levels with bindings, and taa-daahh

After I salvaged it, it doesn't yield any bindings !! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .. so the bindings is GONE. Forever

Only mid-grade and low-grade metals (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

It already has become so newbie friendly it is not even funny any more. Back then we had to grind our ass off to get somewhere.
Now it is so easy to reach level 300 and everyone is already there before he has the money to use those features designed as a money sink for high level guys.

@Ichy
I demand your Lolis ! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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Note : At 2008-ish, It was 'just not so interesting' yet to play HV-.. so yeah. True today it's much much easier and less expensive to level.

But not the case with upgrading your gears/weapons (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

You need bindings to do upgrades in the forge, and you need quite a high monster to see those as gifts. Naturally it happens only when you already quite high level yourself. The only option for a low level is to buy the bindings from other players, and thats quite a roundabout way to be "noob friendly".

This. Anyone wants to sell Binding of Slaughters for cheap like 20k ? If there's anyone, i would like to buy all of it ! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by Frostbite: Oct 28 2013, 07:09

Do you think it is friendly ? Well, for you it is.

The first five levels are friendly, and that was the topic of conversation.

And salvaging doesn't yield any bindings, except the equipment you said is upgraded.Even I had ever tried

salvaging my magnificent wakizashis which is already upgraded some levels with bindings, and taa-daahh

After I salvaged it, it doesn't yield any bindings !! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) .. so the bindings is GONE. Forever

Salvaging now is supposed to give back at least 80% of the mats, and from my observations it does but the decimal point usually rounds down (like when I have 3 bindings on a stat I usually get 2 back, 2 yields 1, etc.). So you probably only had one upgrade on each stat if you got zero back or it was before the changes were made to the forge.

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Oct 28 2013, 07:24

The first five levels are friendly, and that was the topic of conversation.
Salvaging now is supposed to give back at least 80% of the mats, and from my observations it does but the decimal point usually rounds down (like when I have 3 bindings on a stat I usually get 2 back, 2 yields 1, etc.). So you probably only had one upgrade on each stat if you got zero back or it was before the changes were made to the forge.

So that's why (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) . Apparently I should just sell it rather than salvage it.

Thanks for enlightenment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think the immense increase in demand for mage stuff is really players who used to be dark/holy, now switching to elemental. But this needs to be verified by Tenboro or other admins (?).

Yes, some may be former dark/holy.

But it can't explain why the HG-Metal or Leather price become so... 'Poor'...