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Here's an example: Niten Ichiyo

Enemy position.

A: MID=13 (Mind Raper) LV=129 HP=2932 MP=58 SP=38 NA=173 Type=hostile
B: MID=14 (Blue Hedgehog) LV=134 HP=3184 MP=108 SP=20 NA=172 Type=hostile
C: MID=11 (Zombie Cow) LV=134 HP=3260 MP=57 SP=2 NA=170 Type=hostile
D: MID=3 (Mantitcore) LV=134 HP=1417 MP=155 SP=34 NA=177 Type=hostile
E: MID=1280 (Tinky) LV=130 HP=1143 MP=52 SP=28 NA=169 Type=hostile

1st attack : Main target = Zombie Cow (which is in the middle)

2 14 Regen restores 123 points of health. << End of turn.
2 13 Mantitcore misses the attack against you.
2 12 You evade the attack from Mind Raper.
2 11 Blue Hedgehog misses the attack against you.
2 10 Bleeding Wound hits Zombie Cow for 355 damage.
2 9 Your spike shield hits Zombie Cow for 34 points of cold damage.
2 8 Zombie Cow hits you for 135 slashing damage.
2 7 Your spike shield hits Tinky for 12 points of cold damage.
2 6 Tinky hits you for 96 piercing damage.
2 5 Zombie Cow gains the effect Bleeding Wound. << It's NOT... and my attack ended here.
2 4 You hit Mantitcore for 774 slashing damage. << DOM Strike connected, so it should hit the next enemy (Tinky) too, but...
2 3 You hit Mind Raper for 511 slashing damage.
2 2 You hit Blue Hedgehog for 518 slashing damage.
2 1 You hit Zombie Cow for 791 slashing damage. << Main target.

Observe that Tinky DIDN'T Evade my attack. In fact, there's no log mentioning my attack against him at all.

2nd attack : again at Zombie Cow or C. DOM connected on B and D but not A and E ... Again, NO enemy Evade my attack according to the log.

3 16 Regen restores 123 points of health.
~ ~~ ~~~~~~
3 7 Tinky hits you for 103 piercing damage.
3 6 Your offhand hits Zombie Cow for 344 slashing damage.
3 5 Mantitcore has been defeated.
3 4 You crit Mantitcore for 1308 slashing damage.
3 3 Blue Hedgehog gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
3 2 You crit Blue Hedgehog for 866 slashing damage.
3 1 You hit Zombie Cow for 733 slashing damage.

..................

It possible that DOM actually connected to ALL enemies in either directions, but my attack simply missed or evaded, without any explicit message telling it to you in the log. (maybe to speed thing up?) But this happened very often even though my ACC is pretty high (it's quite rare for my main attack to missed).

Then...

2 14 Regen restores 123 points of health.
2 13 You evade the attack from Tentacle Monster.
2 12 Fire Fox hits you for 146 slashing damage.
2 11 Apathetic Canuck hits you for 178 piercing damage.
2 10 Bleeding Wound hits Mind Raper for 355 damage.
2 9 Mind Raper misses the attack against you.
2 8 You evade the attack from Manthra.
2 7 Tentacle Monster evades your attack. << wat?
2 6 Rance has been defeated.
2 5 You hit Rance for 976 slashing damage.
2 4 Mind Raper gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
2 3 You hit Mind Raper for 696 slashing damage.
2 2 You hit Manthra for 689 slashing damage.
2 1 You hit Apathetic Canuck for 852 slashing damage.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=6 (Fire Fox) LV=130 HP=1416 MP=84 SP=46 NA=177 Type=hostile
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=2 (Tentacle Monster) LV=134 HP=1405 MP=21 SP=31 NA=179 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=1150 (Rance) LV=134 HP=1365 MP=36 SP=48 NA=172 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=15 (Apathetic Canuck) LV=134 HP=3184 MP=112 SP=10 NA=172 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=12 (Manthra) LV=132 HP=3296 MP=117 SP=23 NA=168 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=13 (Mind Raper) LV=133 HP=3030 MP=44 SP=46 NA=172 Type=hostile

So if my DOM indeed connected but were evaded or missed, there IS a message telling you so.

The only conclusion I ended up here is : DOM chance rolled per enemy basis... With 60% DOM chance, there would be a 60% chance for DOM to proc on first monster and 36% (60 * 60/100) for the monster next to it, and so on...

...


I really hope I was wrong... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)



EDIT:: Change (100 * 60/100) to (60 * 60/100) ... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Apr 5 2011, 18:47

Ok, that's Niten, not 2H.

Look to the current rules:

Two-Handed Changes

- The cap for Domino Strike was increased from 70% to 80%.

- Domnio Strike can now reach up to 3 and 4 monsters away from the primary target at proficiency 100 and 200, respectively. Getting a hit on the second monster is an automatic hit on the third and fourth.

- The damage of Domino Strike has changed from 75%/50% to 75%/60%/40%/20%, increasing by one percentage point for every 10 points of proficiency, capping at 250 proficiency.

(These changes only apply when using the Two-Handed fighting style; not when using Niten.)

What you're suggesting perhaps is for Niten to follow the same rules as 2H?

The thing mentioned in the change log are about damage, not the proc chance itself. And from my short test, I believe this issue are the same for both 2H and Niten.

What I'm suggested is that when you hit something with 2H, with 60% DOM chance for example... Assume that I have 100% hit rate and no monster evade my attack, it'll have 60% chance to hit ALL the monster for each direction.


I will further experiments about this, and will show the results once it's done. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



EDIT:: Actually, as long as the main attack hit, it seem that for DOM, miss and evade doesn't matter, it's all about whatever DOM proc or not. If it is, then roll the chance for the next monster and repeat till it doesn't proc or reach the range limits.

1 16 Bleeding Wound hits Mad Ogre for 440 damage.
1 15 Mad Ogre hits you for 81 crushing damage.
1 14 You block the attack from X Atm092.
1 13 Bleeding Wound hits Anna for 440 damage.
1 12 You evade the attack from Anna.
1 11 You evade the attack from Green Slime.
1 10 Mantitcore hits you for 39 piercing damage.
1 9 Mutant Peacock misses the attack against you.
1 8 You evade the attack from Scary Ghost.
1 7 Mad Ogre gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
1 6 You hit Mad Ogre for 621 slashing damage.
1 5 You hit Mantitcore for 708 slashing damage.
1 4 Anna gains the effect Bleeding Wound.
1 3 You hit Anna for 496 slashing damage. << It still hit the next enemy anyway.
1 2 Scary Ghost evades your attack. << DOM connected but he evaded my attack ....
1 1 You hit X Atm092 for 721 slashing damage.
0 8 Spawned Monster G: MID=1 (Green Slime) LV=134 HP=1365 MP=132 SP=17 NA=179 Type=hostile
0 7 Spawned Monster F: MID=25 (Mutant Peacock) LV=130 HP=1520 MP=111 SP=2 NA=173 Type=hostile
0 6 Spawned Monster E: MID=2298 (Mad Ogre) LV=133 HP=1820 MP=55 SP=41 NA=183 Type=hostile
0 5 Spawned Monster D: MID=3551 (X Atm092) LV=130 HP=1481 MP=62 SP=14 NA=182 Type=hostile
0 4 Spawned Monster C: MID=7 (Scary Ghost) LV=129 HP=1570 MP=71 SP=22 NA=169 Type=hostile
0 3 Spawned Monster B: MID=4284 (Anna) LV=134 HP=1522 MP=64 SP=6 NA=181 Type=hostile
0 2 Spawned Monster A: MID=3 (Mantitcore) LV=131 HP=1387 MP=72 SP=27 NA=177 Type=hostile
0 1 Initializing Grindfest (Round 16) ...
0 0 Battle Start!

BTW, I'm using Scythe.

This post has been edited by buktore: Apr 5 2011, 18:36

The only conclusion I ended up here is : DOM chance rolled per enemy basis... With 60% DOM chance, there would be a 60% chance for DOM to proc on first monster and 36% (60 * 60/100) for the monster next to it, and so on...

You're probably right. So what you're saying is, Domino Strikes should do even more damage than they do already. After they've just been buffed in a recent update...

I have no problem with it if AoE work this way as well... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Compared to DOM, which is 40% at start and slowly grows to 80% (and you can't do much about it..), I'll even give it a 80-90% fixed chance of an AoE equivalent of DOM Strike chance, or "hitting the next enemy using AoE" chance...


Let the fun begin! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by buktore: Apr 6 2011, 01:16

Speaking of stuff like Niten, could it be placed under consideration to have it actually have proficiency gains?

I know that it doesn't have proficiency gains because if it gained both two handed and duel wielding it would be better for grinding, but could it just raise one of them?

And speaking of proficiency gains, what would people think of a training to up the rate of those gains? Something like a .01 gain per level with ten levels? I know that this wouldn't make a huge difference to all the people that have maxed out their proficiency for everything long ago, but it might be of some use to most users, even if they only buy one or two levels.

Is Niten really that overpowered? Anything that boosts proficiency gains would be nice. Training staff proficiency by hitting things feels weird. Maybe up the chance for Magic Missile use over whacking. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

And speaking of proficiency gains, what would people think of a training to up the rate of those gains? Something like a .01 gain per level with ten levels? I know that this wouldn't make a huge difference to all the people that have maxed out their proficiency for everything long ago, but it might be of some use to most users, even if they only buy one or two levels.

If you want to be the best at everything, you should have to work at it. Damned hard. Those of us who maxed our proficiencies did.

If you want to be the best at everything, you should have to work at it. Damned hard. Those of us who maxed our proficiencies did.

But it's not like you do something hard.
It's just fucking boring.

Like, I understand that to get good equips you, for example, have to do daily arenas on a high difficulty.
But entering a cakefest and spamming weaken is not a fucking achievement.
And it shouldn't take 10-15 casts to get 0.01 proficiency. That's fucking insane.

Can we please have the "1 damage minimum from monster attacks" change reversed please? T_T It sucks 300% more being a newbie now compared to before the change went into effect.

Anew level of Focused Aura please.

Some people around here already have everything at level 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Anew level of Focused Aura please.

Some people around here already have everything at level 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Impossible. 7 auras * 5 ranks = 35 ranks. That only will happen at 340 level.

Anew level of Focused Aura please.

Some people around here already have everything at level 5 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

LOL, multi-stars.

Impossible. 7 auras * 5 ranks = 35 ranks. That only will happen at 340 level.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there were events where aura points were rewarded, such as the yuletide lottery.


edited to make it more clear who I was replying to.

This post has been edited by dkplee: Apr 7 2011, 23:09

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there were events where aura points were rewarded, such as the yuletide lottery.
edited to make it more clear who I was replying to.

Hum, I forgot those. But Ichy didn't won any lottery so where did he got 3 extra auras?

Good question. One that only Ichy will know the answer to. (I want to know too) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

LOL, multi-stars.

Just in case cmal hasn't made his point yet.

You get an aura point for each metallic aura level.

Just in case cmal hasn't made his point yet.

You get an aura point for each metallic aura level.

Not quite. You get one bonus aura point for each Metallic Aura you earn that's Tri-star or higher. So since Ichy is 7-star, he got 3 bonus Aura points. I've got 1 myself, being Tristar.

Metallic Auras are the answer.