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post Mar 23 2013, 06:55
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QUOTE(teddy.bear @ Mar 23 2013, 05:24) *

Tenboro changed it.......
I have shrined hundreds of trophies noodles included and I have only gotten a few estocs, I get almost nothing but Longswords, and when its not a longsword its usually scythes/katanas.....
Tenboro wants estocs to be extremely rare so he changed the drop rates to make it so....

HE must have made maces even more rare, since I havn't seen one since I first started playing; and the bazaar is even more devoid of them then it was a few patches ago. I've seen more Katana's drop, then maces and estocs combined.
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post Mar 23 2013, 08:15
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QUOTE(T_Starrk @ Mar 22 2013, 10:03) *

B-but that wouldn't benefit my shade at all (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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well, if agility reduced interference it would benefit everyone.

QUOTE(teddy.bear @ Mar 22 2013, 21:24) *

Tenboro changed it.......
I have shrined hundreds of trophies noodles included and I have only gotten a few estocs, I get almost nothing but Longswords, and when its not a longsword its usually scythes/katanas.....
Tenboro wants estocs to be extremely rare so he changed the drop rates to make it so....


I don't think he did anything special to estocs, merely adjusted them from being T1 to T2.
All items are rated as tier 1, 2 or 3 with the higher tiers being (supposedly) better and rarer to compensate.

Honestly having estocs as T2 is still off since they are the best weapon.

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post Mar 23 2013, 10:52
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Since there are other weapons as t2 and only katana as t3 estocs are actually rarer than katanas. Previously, scytches were more common than longswords with noodles/iwbth.
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post Mar 23 2013, 11:18
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QUOTE(Lement @ Mar 23 2013, 18:52) *

Since there are other weapons as t2 and only katana as t3 estocs are actually rarer than katanas. Previously, scytches were more common than longswords with noodles/iwbth.

No shit. I got more Exquisite Katanas than I do of even Fine Estocs. As for Ethereal...!

edit: And I forgot to mention that Estocs still go for a crappy price in the Bazaar. Not that I'm selling any of mine, of course, just saying.

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post Mar 24 2013, 06:03
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Currently, elemental magic is not very useful, at least for mid level+, due to elemental cycle cannot take advantage from the EBD of phase. Also, the four element are not very different than each other, besides monsters' resistance.
I suggest a change of their proc. effect of them to make them more unique.

fire ---> burning , similar to bleeding but use magic damage and ignore MMI and elemental resist.
cold ---> slow, similar to the magic, but with lower effect.
wind ---> no proc., but have chance to +1 (multiple) hit the same target.
thunder ---> stun, instead of making monsters' can never attack like stun from melee, make it only have 10~30% chance cannot attack.

The power of effect and duration should related to proficiency. Hope this suggestion is not making elemental mage OP.
Not like Tenboro is reading this anyway.
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post Mar 24 2013, 06:48
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 24 2013, 11:03) *

Currently, elemental magic is not very useful, at least for mid level+, due to elemental cycle cannot take advantage from the EBD of phase. Also, the four element are not very different than each other, besides monsters' resistance.
I suggest a change of their proc. effect of them to make them more unique.

fire ---> burning , similar to bleeding but use magic damage and ignore MMI and elemental resist.
cold ---> slow, similar to the magic, but with lower effect.
wind ---> no proc., but have chance to +1 (multiple) hit the same target.
thunder ---> stun, instead of making monsters' can never attack like stun from melee, make it only have 10~30% chance cannot attack.

The power of effect and duration should related to proficiency. Hope this suggestion is not making elemental mage OP.
Not like Tenboro is reading this anyway.


Fire burn effect is not good for mages because of how it works. I suggest that with fire, you have no proc, but instead have a bigger crit multiplier (flash burn).

Cold + slow should work.

Wind should give confuse or blindness IMO.

Thunder can proc chain lightning, damaging nearby mobs when the proc procs.

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post Mar 24 2013, 07:03
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Hm, I think fire is the only one that should be changed, just to make it different from dark. I like what the other procs currently do. Their effects don't feel like they have a lot of impact, though...
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post Mar 25 2013, 18:40
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QUOTE(ChosenUno @ Mar 23 2013, 22:48) *

Fire burn effect is not good for mages because of how it works. I suggest that with fire, you have no proc, but instead have a bigger crit multiplier (flash burn).

Cold + slow should work.

Wind should give confuse or blindness IMO.

Thunder can proc chain lightning, damaging nearby mobs when the proc procs.

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That is better, yes.
But they don't just have to be unique, they have to be actually good. The above would take some effort to actually balance and unless they are done in an OP way I just don't see it mitigating the actual issues of elemental
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post Mar 26 2013, 01:31
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As it stands, the weakest fighting style (at least, the least recommended style) is one-handed due to its slow nature at clearing rounds compared to everything else. This seems to discourage players from even bothering with this fighting style other than for the self-gratification of capping his or her proficiencies.

In almost no situation does it benefit the player to choose one-handed over the domino striking two-handed style, the powerful schoolgirl slaying dual wield style, the half and half of the niten, or facemelting with magic. One-handed does have up to three counters per turn; however, the chances of triggering counter is capped at 50% and also factors in the conditions that you either parried or blocked the attack.

Currently, elemental spikes are hardly used by players due to the nature of the game being "kill in a few turns or die." The elemental mitigation received from the spike spells is incredibly minuscule in the grand scheme, being extremely situational by covering only one element in a physical damage environment; not worth the mana cost to put up. The spike damage is nonexistent, seemingly only there to cause elemental bursts from the proc triggering. Elemental spike spells were only previously used to raise supportive proficiency, but since cure also raises it now, they have become essentially obsolete.

Here's my proposition on hitting two of the lesser-used concepts in HV with a single go: have elemental spikes synergize with shields; an elemental spiked shield effect.

For example, if a player has elemental spikes up and is using a shield, if they block (not parry), there will ALWAYS be damage reflection. It shouldn't be as powerful as their normal counter, but at least a fair degree of elemental damage (based on the spike spell you casted) is returned for their block with the elemental proc chance. Normal countering still applies as well, and normal spikes still do their non-existent damage return if the attack was not blocked.

This method, in return for having poor damage output, the player receives some compensation for playing a defensive style.
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post Mar 26 2013, 04:26
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I know you are against anything that relates to people gaining credits, but how about allowing the items that now drop as "tier 2" (clubs/rapiers/estoc/mace/oak/willow) actually be valued competitively with gossamer/kevlar?
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post Mar 26 2013, 04:58
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QUOTE(CrazyFlame @ Mar 25 2013, 23:31) *

As it stands, the weakest fighting style (at least, the least recommended style) is one-handed due to its slow nature at clearing rounds compared to everything else. This seems to discourage players from even bothering with this fighting style other than for the self-gratification of capping his or her proficiencies.

In almost no situation does it benefit the player to choose one-handed over the domino striking two-handed style, the powerful schoolgirl slaying dual wield style, the half and half of the niten, or facemelting with magic. One-handed does have up to three counters per turn; however, the chances of triggering counter is capped at 50% and also factors in the conditions that you either parried or blocked the attack.

Currently, elemental spikes are hardly used by players due to the nature of the game being "kill in a few turns or die." The elemental mitigation received from the spike spells is incredibly minuscule in the grand scheme, being extremely situational by covering only one element in a physical damage environment; not worth the mana cost to put up. The spike damage is nonexistent, seemingly only there to cause elemental bursts from the proc triggering. Elemental spike spells were only previously used to raise supportive proficiency, but since cure also raises it now, they have become essentially obsolete.

Here's my proposition on hitting two of the lesser-used concepts in HV with a single go: have elemental spikes synergize with shields; an elemental spiked shield effect.

For example, if a player has elemental spikes up and is using a shield, if they block (not parry), there will ALWAYS be damage reflection. It shouldn't be as powerful as their normal counter, but at least a fair degree of elemental damage (based on the spike spell you casted) is returned for their block with the elemental proc chance. Normal countering still applies as well, and normal spikes still do their non-existent damage return if the attack was not blocked.

This method, in return for having poor damage output, the player receives some compensation for playing a defensive style.


One-hand is not that bad you think.
You may take a look of this video.
It only takes about 10mins for X25 AR trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyB81oSHXOk
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post Mar 26 2013, 05:01
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QUOTE(andywong @ Mar 26 2013, 02:58) *

One-hand is not that bad you think.
You may take a look of this video.
It only takes about 10mins for X25 AR trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyB81oSHXOk


don't forget to mention triple strikes, and it looks like 12 minutes

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post Mar 26 2013, 05:25
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QUOTE(andywong @ Mar 25 2013, 22:58) *

One-hand is not that bad you think.
You may take a look of this video.
It only takes about 10mins for X25 AR trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyB81oSHXOk


It's like those path of exile videos where people walk around the map using the same skill for 15 minutes and everything just dies. The sad part is this one's a text game.
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post Mar 26 2013, 05:42
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no, the sad part is that counter does pretty much nothing in that video as shown and skills aren't pretty much used, meaning it'd be quite a bit faster with DW(seeing how long mob numbers stay below 6).
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post Mar 26 2013, 05:42
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QUOTE(andywong @ Mar 25 2013, 19:58) *

One-hand is not that bad you think.
You may take a look of this video.
It only takes about 10mins for X25 AR trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyB81oSHXOk


I'm not saying that it's not a viable option; I just think it could use a little more work in the time consumption department.
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post Mar 26 2013, 05:44
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Also, the guy is living in UK. Ofc it is fast.

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post Mar 26 2013, 05:49
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QUOTE(andywong @ Mar 26 2013, 10:58) *

One-hand is not that bad you think.
You may take a look of this video.
It only takes about 10mins for X25 AR trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyB81oSHXOk


His network speed is 3 times of mine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) .
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post Mar 26 2013, 19:31
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QUOTE(Colman @ Mar 25 2013, 23:49) *

His network speed is 3 times of mine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) .

Yeah, that guy can kill a monster in the amount of time it takes me to perform a single action.
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post Mar 26 2013, 20:18
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Mobs (Balrog) crit him for ~1k of dmg on IWBTH. I'm getting 1k+ strikes somewhere on Heroic/Nightmare.
Also his weapon is not very good (rapier with spirit leech, meh), but damage is outstanding.

I think I should switch to Power of Pr/Sl riiiight now.

Add: Just tried it myself with this setup. Surprisingly playable, I should say...

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post Mar 27 2013, 03:14
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I really, really wish HV would let players face off against each other directly...somehow. Let them pick their gear and fighting style, and send them into 1-on-1 combat. Or many-to-many, anything would be good. Even if the whole battle was automated without any player intervention, I would watch/review the logs of a few of those. I'm dying to see a 1H-shield combination against a Heimdall mage...

If not that...let them place an avatar into the Monster horde for a few hours, and see how they do. Suspend your normal play for a chance to face off against anti-mobs as a custom Ultimate. Maybe no rewards at all except a record of how you did, to forestall people from using it to earn rewards while they're absent. Monsters are okay representations of your skills, but yourself is better. :-)

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