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Mmkay. Why can't I mention hito? Is it because he breaks all of your arguments?

Also, the reason soul sucks is because there's no EDB for it. Plus, the mana cost is horrendous.

Tell me, would Hito be running a Wind set if he didn't have his God Staff?

Nah. No way. Hito's staff has the rolls of a prefix on EDB+several suffixes. When speaking of legendary ebony stats just before their retiring.

Nah you could get more edb and proficiency than his staff, at best you could compare them to an exquisite destruction+elementalist.

Tell me, would Hito be running a Wind set if he didn't have his God Staff?

I don't see people running around in Legendary Rapier + Legendary Buckler of Barrier...

I don't see people running around in Legendary Rapier + Legendary Buckler of Barrier...

I know we're comparing a first tier build with a second or third tier build here, as opposed to first tier vs. crap tier. That's why this discussion is even worth having. 1H is beyond redemption without an overhaul.

Answer the question. Do you honestly think Hito would run Wind if he didn't have that staff? Would he run Wind over Dark if the God Staff was Willow?

This post has been edited by PK678353: Mar 16 2013, 13:33

So wait.

You want elemental mages to deal close to the damage holy/dark deals but be 5-10x cheaper?

Pick a choice. Pay 10x for more damage or stick to elemental maging.

Plus, it's not like entry-level holy/dark gear is terribly expensive. With enough determination you can gather a decent set for ~2M credits, more than attainable by pretty much anyone.

I still don't see why elemental mages should get special treatment over holy/dark.

There is the same chance for Holy, dark or whatever Element you want to drop. Holy/Dark is just more expensive because it is the much better style!
Yeah I want Elemental Mage to be able to stand up to those Holy/Dark Mages in certain situations.
Holy/Dark will ALWAYS be superior in Marathons or high difficulty play so at least give them some reason to exist.

Mmkay. Why can't I mention hito? Is it because he breaks all of your arguments?

Because he is the only guy with a pre nerf legendary. It is like shooting down all your complaints you had in teh past with a bullshit argument like trollolol get a pre nerf Legendary katalox (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by Ichy: Mar 16 2013, 13:47

There is the same chance for Holy, dark or whatever Element you want to drop. Holy/Dark is just more expensive because it is the much better style!
Yeah I want Elemental Mage to be able to stand up to those Holy/Dark Mages in certain situations.
Holy/Dark will ALWAYS be superior in Marathons or high difficulty play so at least give them some reason to exist.
Because he is the only guy with a pre nerf legendary. It is like shooting down all your complaints you had in teh past with a bullshit argument like trollolol get a pre nerf Legendary katalox (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

It's not ALWAYS superior in marathons or high difficulty. Please prove it instead of just throwing it out there.

As for hito's staff, the staff is not the end-all, be-all of maging. His phases weren't really the best of the bunch. Certainly not at the level of n125, I'm certain of that.

This post has been edited by ChosenUno: Mar 16 2013, 13:58

It is. Have you ever tried Elemental mage in these situations with comparable gear?
Just admit it you are afraid Tenb would 'fix' Elemental mage by making Holy/Dark equally awful (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Then stop bringing Hito as your only argument.

Trust me. It sucks. It sucks hard.When im back I will make you a nice image to show you something nice.

This post has been edited by Ichy: Mar 16 2013, 14:09

It is. Have you ever tried Elemental mage in these situations with comparable gear?
Just admit it you are afraid Tenb would 'fix' Elemental mage by making Holy/Dark equally awful (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Then stop bringing Hito as your only argument.

Trust me. It sucks. It sucks hard.When im back I will make you a nice image to show you something nice.

I'm not afraid of Tenboro making Holy/dark awful. Holy is already awful compared to Dark :3

I'm just not convinced that elemental mages struggle much more compared to holy/dark maging.

If anything the prohibitive costs of holy/dark gear makes holy/dark mages struggle more.

I did flirt with elemental maging before, but since I got my staff I went holy full time.

Let's do a test. Do a few runs of normal grindfest. How far can you go? And what's your coldscore?

It's not ALWAYS superior in marathons or high difficulty. Please prove it instead of just throwing it out there.

As for hito's staff, the staff is not the end-all, be-all of maging. His phases weren't really the best of the bunch. Certainly not at the level of n125, I'm certain of that.

There's the weight of game mechanics: explosion cycle (2-spell is better than 4-spell), equipment tier (Kata > Redwood), and base resistances (200/150 total vs. 50/25 total). So tell me, when is Elemental going to be superior at IWBTH? When is Fire (not Wind!) going to be better for Schoolgirl Marathons? Why isn't Frith Normalfesting it up in a Mjolnir suit with Thunderstorm? He rents now, he could totally do that.

As for hito, well, name 3 other examples of L200+ main-Elemental mages. Meanwhile we have a rather deeper pool of high level Holy/Dark mages to look at. You (Heimdall), Dani (Fenrir), Ichy (Heimdall), Esheep (Heimdall), Frith (Heimdall), skillchip (hey, more Heimdall!) just off the top of my head.

Anyway, time for sleep.

This post has been edited by PK678353: Mar 16 2013, 14:21

There's the weight of game mechanics: explosion cycle (2-spell is better than 4-spell), equipment tier (Kata > Redwood), and base resistances (200/150 total vs. 50/25 total). So tell me, when is Elemental going to be superior at IWBTH? When is Fire (not Wind!) going to be better for Schoolgirl Marathons? Why isn't Frith Normalfesting it up in a Mjolnir suit with Thunderstorm? He rents now, he could totally do that.

As for hito, well, name 3 other examples of L200+ main-Elemental mages. Meanwhile we have a rather deeper pool of high level Holy/Dark mages to look at. You (Heimdall), Dani (Fenrir), Ichy (Heimdall), Esheep (Heimdall), Frith (Heimdall), skillchip (hey, more Heimdall!) just off the top of my head.

Anyway, time for sleep.

AFAIK there's only 1 person that uses proc explosion for Holy/Dark. Equipment Tier ok fine. But the ratio for Tier 1:Tier 3 is/was 10:1 IIRC.

Elemental will be superior given the same budget. If I have 40 million credits I'll go much further faster with elemental gear compared to holy/dark gear.

For the main-elemental mages, we have Lement, n125, DarkDespair, monkey08881. I didn't know Ichy switched from cold/melee to holy maging, that's news :3

I don't know more, mostly because I don't really care what style people use.

I'm curious though: what sort of magescore are we talking about here? And what difficulty?

I'm not afraid of Tenboro making Holy/dark awful. Holy is already awful compared to Dark :3

I'm just not convinced that elemental mages struggle much more compared to holy/dark maging.

If anything the prohibitive costs of holy/dark gear makes holy/dark mages struggle more.

I did flirt with elemental maging before, but since I got my staff I went holy full time.

Let's do a test. Do a few runs of normal grindfest. How far can you go? And what's your coldscore?

Mage in general is pretty awful.

They struggle much more because there are much more Mobs with High resistances to elemental.

Dunno how far I get since I want to play Borderlands 2 today (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Also im not into numbers so I dont have a magescore script.

But since your argument is always Holy/dark is more expensive I have here a nice image,
It shows Credit spent and how awesome you are:

(IMG:[s14.directupload.net] http://s14.directupload.net/images/130316/yyeh3xkt.jpg)
Like you can see. The cost rises fast at the beginning but so is your awesome level Then it slows down when you have your gear ready and start to buy Phazons and stuff.

Now Elemental:
(IMG:[s14.directupload.net] http://s14.directupload.net/images/130316/jildfitf.jpg)
Gear is cheaper but then you have to buy Phazons and stuff too so the Cost/awesome increase is about the same. Problem is Elemental does not reach high Awesome Levels because of mobs having high resistance to all of their elements.
My suggested anti resistance would help them and the awesome level wound increase. At the same time the cost would increase since this style will be more popular then.

And now to show you why mage sucks:
(IMG:[s7.directupload.net] http://s7.directupload.net/images/130316/ugkt4puk.jpg)

This post has been edited by Ichy: Mar 16 2013, 15:17

LMAO @ Ichy's graphs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by T_Starrk: Mar 16 2013, 15:24

(IMG:[s7.directupload.net] http://s7.directupload.net/images/130316/ugkt4puk.jpg)

I think fully upgrade power armor *5 could be more costly and having less return. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Those graphs should go in the Advice page on the wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Absolutely! If you can't afford to spend money forging your shit, don't complain that it's weak.

I am in agreement. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But we were not talking about forging there. The problem is that in your posts, you came off as implying that holy/dark mages should be stronger than elemental mages solely because they spend a lot more on their gear (before forging). Lement and PK678353 also interpreted them this way--check their posts above mine.

"Pick a choice. Pay 10x for more damage or stick to elemental maging."

In other words, if you want to be awesome, pay premium for holy/dark gear. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

And forging costs are roughly the same between elemental and holy/dark mage gear.

Right, but the outcome isn't the same. If all other things are equal, elemental mages will always deal less damage than holy/dark mages because they have resistances slanted against them. I think that every mage damage type should have realistic pros and cons, but overall, they should all be equal and viable. Even if hito is living proof that elemental maging works out in the very very very very end, and even if elemental maging is more cost-friendly (only while it remains unpopular), most people still choose to go holy or dark. So despite everything, elemental maging is unattractive; this brings us back to Ichy's original goal: Ways to make elemental magic more appealing than it currently is.

If Tenboro's master plan really is to have mages converge on holy or dark, well then...I don't agree with it because I prefer variety.

This post has been edited by n125: Mar 16 2013, 15:30

Those graphs should go in the Advice page on the wiki. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I am in agreement. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But we were not talking about forging there. The problem is that in your posts, you came off as implying that holy/dark mages should be stronger than elemental mages solely because they spend a lot more on their gear (before forging). Lement and PK678353 also interpreted them this way--check their posts above mine.

"Pick a choice. Pay 10x for more damage or stick to elemental maging."

In other words, if you want to be awesome, pay premium for holy/dark gear. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Right, but the outcome isn't the same. If all other things are equal, elemental mages will always deal less damage than holy/dark mages because they have resistances slanted against them. I think that every mage damage type should have realistic pros and cons, but overall, they should all be equal and viable. Even if hito is living proof that elemental maging works out in the very very very very end, and even if elemental maging is more cost-friendly (only while it remains unpopular), most people still choose to go holy or dark. So despite everything, elemental maging is unattractive; this brings us back to Ichy's original goal: Ways to make elemental magic more appealing than it currently is.

If Tenboro's master plan really is to have mages converge on holy or dark, well then...I don't agree with it because I prefer variety.

That's assuming roughly the same population for all monster types, which isn't the case.

Right now I think it's giants/humanoids leading the pack, then probably mechs/dragonkins. This is just my conjecture.

If this is the case then wind is actually better than holy because of the skewed monster population. But we'll never know.

Pretty sure that Frith gets more than 100 Crystals from Artifacts. Crystarium 3. This shit isn't hard to figure out. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Crystarium I Whenever a monster drops a crystal in the HentaiVerse, you will receive an additional bonus crystal.

1) It doesn't mention the bonus crystals in the hath perk description, so no, that is not obvious.
2) You don't balance things so that a very small percentage of the population benefits while almost everyone is nerfed.

Mage in general is pretty awful.

They struggle much more because there are much more Mobs with High resistances to elemental.

Dunno how far I get since I want to play Borderlands 2 today (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
Also im not into numbers so I dont have a magescore script.

But since your argument is always Holy/dark is more expensive I have here a nice image,
It shows Credit spent and how awesome you are:

(IMG:[s14.directupload.net] http://s14.directupload.net/images/130316/yyeh3xkt.jpg)
Like you can see. The cost rises fast at the beginning but so is your awesome level Then it slows down when you have your gear ready and start to buy Phazons and stuff.

Now Elemental:
(IMG:[s14.directupload.net] http://s14.directupload.net/images/130316/jildfitf.jpg)
Gear is cheaper but then you have to buy Phazons and stuff too so the Cost/awesome increase is about the same. Problem is Elemental does not reach high Awesome Levels because of mobs having high resistance to all of their elements.
My suggested anti resistance would help them and the awesome level wound increase. At the same time the cost would increase since this style will be more popular then.

And now to show you why mage sucks:
(IMG:[s7.directupload.net] http://s7.directupload.net/images/130316/ugkt4puk.jpg)

Your graphs killed me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

No. We'll know when we summon skillchip and ask for monster appearances by name.
He has a script for that.

@PK/danixxx on staff: You guys should know how much 25% matters to mage. But point. Iirc even when hito's staff didn't have much forging if I checked it I had to check if I was wearing a staff.

Because I'm not a dumb fuck like you. Also, this shit isn't hard to figure out.

Suppose someone wants to do all of the non-boss slog arenas. That's 1073 rounds or 53.65 great stamina. If that person wants to do them all at great stamina, they have to use 2 Energy Drinks. Under your change, they'd use a total of 10.73 stamina and get the 50% increase in credit drops and 25% increase in damage throughout the whole thing without having to expend anything. That's a straight credit boost to that person and since Tenboro has consistently nerfed credit gains, that goes against his style.

Also, even if they are useless, they are a lot better to get from an artifact than 100 crystals. At a 3000c bazaar sale price, you can sell them and buy more crystals than you get as a reward.

With reasonable training you'll get two Energy Drinks from doing 1073 rounds, and if you don't you can buy them on the forum or get them in Grindfest. You're basically saying you shouldn't be able to do arenas on Great stamina, when it's already very possible to do arenas on Great stamina. As you see from [url= https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2502845]xmagus's post[/url] people already do the arenas on permanent Great stamina.

If Tenboro made permanent Great stamina possible in Grindfest players would be more likely to use their Energy Drinks rather than sell them. With fewer drinks for sale it would actually make it harder for people to do Arenas on Great stamina.

Why do you even care? If you're level 25 you must have only played the game for only 10-15 minutes. It looks like you just want to argue with people about anything and abuse them. Taking a look at your post history it seems I'm right and you really do just want to argue with people, so rather than give you want you want I'll just ignore you.

With reasonable training you'll get two Energy Drinks from doing 1073 rounds, and if you don't you can buy them on the forum or get them in Grindfest. You're basically saying you shouldn't be able to do arenas on Great stamina, when it's already very possible to do arenas on Great stamina. As you see from [%5burl=http] https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=2502845]xmagus's post[/url] people already do the arenas on permanent Great stamina.

If Tenboro made permanent Great stamina possible in Grindfest players would be more likely to use their Energy Drinks rather than sell them. With fewer drinks for sale it would actually make it harder for people to do Arenas on Great stamina.

Why do you even care? If you're level 25 you must have only played the game for only 10-15 minutes. It looks like you just want to argue with people about anything and abuse them. Taking a look at your post history it seems I'm right and you really do just want to argue with people, so rather than give you want you want I'll just ignore you.

Great Stamina is OP. You are not supposed to perma use it easily.

This post has been edited by Ichy: Mar 16 2013, 16:45